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Hello,
Since I can not find anyone who has ever done a setup like this. And blackmagic does not have a hardware representative that I can call to talk about what hardware I should get. And that there is no "expert" in this field I can talk to I figure I would ask here first.
I am just getting into streaming of live gaming events and I need to create a very custom system/setup for us. After a lot of searching and looking around Blackmagic's stuff seems to be the best "solution" for me without hacking something together from prosumer parts. However there is a lot of options/routes I could take in making this system and there is no "expert" I can talk to that I can find. Also I am concerned about using Blackmagic because I know a lot of people who use Blackmagic cards to capture computers/consoles run into a lot of issues. And I need this setup to have no issues especially with computers since that is the reason and life blood of the system I need to build.
Here is my requirements for the setup that I need:
- Capture minimum of 5 computers(or Consoles), 8 Ideal, 10-12 Max
- Capture 1080P 60 FPS into the system and possibly out(from console game or PC)
- Be able to parent and overlay a webcam/other camera feed to each of those computer feeds
- Feed in 4-6 cameras as their own feeds for the event
- Transition/cut between all those feeds at any point for the final live stream output
- Be able to overlay any media files
- Be able to record the "Baked" computer feeds with the webcam/camera overlay to a HDD or SSD. for editing later.
The closest thing I can find to what I need is the "Livestream Studio HD1710" It would be perfect however this system can only record 4 of the needed 5 feeds. That is also a far cry to the ideal 8 or 10 max that we would like to handle. Their software says you can get them to increase the number of feeds recording however I called and they said they could not. They told me it is a software limitation however I feel it is more of a hardware "limitation" (that could be overcome) if anything it is lazy programming. I talked to three of their sales people and they all were garbage and did not want to help me and they made me mad to top it off. Anyways bellow I have some main questions I need answered about Blackmagic hardware. Any advice experience would be greatly appreciated.
Questions I have:
1. If I buy from the DeckLink line of products and fill up a computer's PCIe slots with them can I record all of the feeds from all the cards? spreading the bandwidth by sending 2-3 feeds per HHD/SSD in the system to avoid bottle necking the write speed of the HHD/SSD.
2. Can the ATEM line parent a second feed to each feed? for example computer 1 has webcam 1 and computer 2 has webcam 2 so when I cut/transition between the two the camera feeds stay with their respected computers/feeds?
3. Is there a benefit in using the ATEM over a computer with the DeckLink cards in it? Do I get more options one way or the other? (would a combo be worth it?)
4. Is there any software that is by Blackmagic or designed for Blackmagic hardware that would let me use the DeckLink cards on a PC all at once and possibly record? (Ignoring Livestreams software since they do not want to take my money or work with me, and they made me mad!)
5. How much badnwidth do the DeckLink cards use on the PCIe bus? Stats on the site lists PCIe x1. Could they work off a PCIe spliter?
6. Can you convert a computer/console HDMI into SDI and have it still work on the other end? (youtube(.)com/watch?v=SwiYodA3b_w) <-- This guy had issues with doing that with his ATEM
Plans/Ideas so far:
Idea 1:
This system is larger but should give me a good balance between having cut/transition powers and possibility of recording. However in one review a person said he could not use his computer on the ATEM which scares me from this idea. Also would need the ability to show multiple cameras on one screen.
Use a combo system using the ATEM to cut/transition and overlay the main feeds. Then use a seprate computer to record the needed 6-8 SDI outs from the ATEM system of the computer feeds. And use the same computer to send out the main feed to the internet.
Idea 2:
This set up is more ideal because its one unit and everything is controlled on one unit but might lack some options and controls I may want in the end.
Build my own LiveStream Studio HD1710 "LIKE" system and use different software that has the features I need. And either send out the stream on another computer if that is too taxing on its dual 8 core Xeon Processors I have or do it all on that machine if it can handle it. If I can not find the right software I might have to code one myself with the given SDK. But that is a last resort.
Anyways thanks for reading, any advice would be greatly appreciated. Also if you need me to elaborate on any points let me know I will answer any questions.
Thanks,
Spencer
TL;DR:
-Starting Live stream of gaming events need to stream computers/consoles and cameras.
-Need help picking out what Blackmagic parts to get to make the system I need.
-No one else has "Done" what I need before or makes what I need.
-Livestream pissed me off and their system isn't good enough.
-Any help would be appreciated!
Since I can not find anyone who has ever done a setup like this. And blackmagic does not have a hardware representative that I can call to talk about what hardware I should get. And that there is no "expert" in this field I can talk to I figure I would ask here first.
I am just getting into streaming of live gaming events and I need to create a very custom system/setup for us. After a lot of searching and looking around Blackmagic's stuff seems to be the best "solution" for me without hacking something together from prosumer parts. However there is a lot of options/routes I could take in making this system and there is no "expert" I can talk to that I can find. Also I am concerned about using Blackmagic because I know a lot of people who use Blackmagic cards to capture computers/consoles run into a lot of issues. And I need this setup to have no issues especially with computers since that is the reason and life blood of the system I need to build.
Here is my requirements for the setup that I need:
- Capture minimum of 5 computers(or Consoles), 8 Ideal, 10-12 Max
- Capture 1080P 60 FPS into the system and possibly out(from console game or PC)
- Be able to parent and overlay a webcam/other camera feed to each of those computer feeds
- Feed in 4-6 cameras as their own feeds for the event
- Transition/cut between all those feeds at any point for the final live stream output
- Be able to overlay any media files
- Be able to record the "Baked" computer feeds with the webcam/camera overlay to a HDD or SSD. for editing later.
The closest thing I can find to what I need is the "Livestream Studio HD1710" It would be perfect however this system can only record 4 of the needed 5 feeds. That is also a far cry to the ideal 8 or 10 max that we would like to handle. Their software says you can get them to increase the number of feeds recording however I called and they said they could not. They told me it is a software limitation however I feel it is more of a hardware "limitation" (that could be overcome) if anything it is lazy programming. I talked to three of their sales people and they all were garbage and did not want to help me and they made me mad to top it off. Anyways bellow I have some main questions I need answered about Blackmagic hardware. Any advice experience would be greatly appreciated.
Questions I have:
1. If I buy from the DeckLink line of products and fill up a computer's PCIe slots with them can I record all of the feeds from all the cards? spreading the bandwidth by sending 2-3 feeds per HHD/SSD in the system to avoid bottle necking the write speed of the HHD/SSD.
2. Can the ATEM line parent a second feed to each feed? for example computer 1 has webcam 1 and computer 2 has webcam 2 so when I cut/transition between the two the camera feeds stay with their respected computers/feeds?
3. Is there a benefit in using the ATEM over a computer with the DeckLink cards in it? Do I get more options one way or the other? (would a combo be worth it?)
4. Is there any software that is by Blackmagic or designed for Blackmagic hardware that would let me use the DeckLink cards on a PC all at once and possibly record? (Ignoring Livestreams software since they do not want to take my money or work with me, and they made me mad!)
5. How much badnwidth do the DeckLink cards use on the PCIe bus? Stats on the site lists PCIe x1. Could they work off a PCIe spliter?
6. Can you convert a computer/console HDMI into SDI and have it still work on the other end? (youtube(.)com/watch?v=SwiYodA3b_w) <-- This guy had issues with doing that with his ATEM
Plans/Ideas so far:
Idea 1:
This system is larger but should give me a good balance between having cut/transition powers and possibility of recording. However in one review a person said he could not use his computer on the ATEM which scares me from this idea. Also would need the ability to show multiple cameras on one screen.
Use a combo system using the ATEM to cut/transition and overlay the main feeds. Then use a seprate computer to record the needed 6-8 SDI outs from the ATEM system of the computer feeds. And use the same computer to send out the main feed to the internet.
Idea 2:
This set up is more ideal because its one unit and everything is controlled on one unit but might lack some options and controls I may want in the end.
Build my own LiveStream Studio HD1710 "LIKE" system and use different software that has the features I need. And either send out the stream on another computer if that is too taxing on its dual 8 core Xeon Processors I have or do it all on that machine if it can handle it. If I can not find the right software I might have to code one myself with the given SDK. But that is a last resort.
Anyways thanks for reading, any advice would be greatly appreciated. Also if you need me to elaborate on any points let me know I will answer any questions.
Thanks,
Spencer
TL;DR:
-Starting Live stream of gaming events need to stream computers/consoles and cameras.
-Need help picking out what Blackmagic parts to get to make the system I need.
-No one else has "Done" what I need before or makes what I need.
-Livestream pissed me off and their system isn't good enough.
-Any help would be appreciated!