Intensity Shuttle USB 3.0 with VCR for old VHS Tapes to PC

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Intensity Shuttle USB 3.0 with VCR for old VHS Tapes to PC

PostMon Feb 06, 2017 4:31 pm

I recently launched an exercise to begin transferring old media to digital. I started with the old DV Tapes, and found that to be straightforward using PowerDirector, which I bought to edit my son's sports team videos. Having finished the DV tapes, I thought I would convert all of our old VHS tapes. I have our old Sharp VC-A410 VCR and I bought the Intensity Shuttle for USB 3.0 to capture.

It's turning out to not be quite as straightforward as I hoped. I have installed the Desktop Video 10.8.4 from the blackmagic website. The Device is recognized when I launch Media Express. I have the VCR plugged in, turned on, and have the S-Video and Audio cables connected to the Video/Audio out of the VCR and plugged into the SVideo and Audio In of the Shuttle.

I'm at my office so I don't have a TV or anything plugged into the Shuttle's OUT side. I've rewound the VHS tape and hit play and neither Power Director or Media Express are capturing anything.

I'm sure it is something obvious and simple but would appreciate some help getting pointed in the right direction.

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Re: Intensity Shuttle USB 3.0 with VCR for old VHS Tapes to

PostMon Feb 06, 2017 5:13 pm

What do you have set for the input in the BM desktop video utility?

Also with old VHS tapes you will most likely need a timebase corrector to clean up the signal as BM devices expect a broadcast quality signal
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Re: Intensity Shuttle USB 3.0 with VCR for old VHS Tapes to

PostMon Feb 06, 2017 5:17 pm

Here is a screen shot of the settings in Black Magic Media Express.

Apologies for the newbie but not sure what timebase corrector means. Not necessarily expecting broadcast quality signal - but want to save these in the best quality I can for the long term.

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Re: Intensity Shuttle USB 3.0 with VCR for old VHS Tapes to

PostMon Feb 06, 2017 5:57 pm

That's not the BM desktop video setup software. You need to set the input to S-video inside that
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PostMon Feb 06, 2017 6:59 pm

HEre are the config settings
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PostMon Feb 06, 2017 8:13 pm

You have it set to component, it should be set to S-Video
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Re: Intensity Shuttle USB 3.0 with VCR for old VHS Tapes to

PostMon Feb 06, 2017 8:52 pm

You are correct - and in my original post I said S Video and I should have said component.

so it is component, with the yellow video and red/white audio cables.
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PostMon Feb 06, 2017 9:25 pm

No, that's composite
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PostMon Feb 06, 2017 10:47 pm

Thank You! I knew it would be something simple...

I'm now able to capture Video. The VHS tapes are older - ~15-20 years old and as expected lots of dropped frames - can you point to where to learn about the timebase corrector and how to address the dropped frames.
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PostTue Feb 07, 2017 2:44 pm

Kevin Call wrote:Thank You! I knew it would be something simple...

I'm now able to capture Video. The VHS tapes are older - ~15-20 years old and as expected lots of dropped frames - can you point to where to learn about the timebase corrector and how to address the dropped frames.


If you route your video signal through a TBC you'll eliminate the problem of dropped frames because the TBC re-generates a clean, continuous sync and black burst signal in addition to correcting any colour-framing issues. I use broadcast-grade TBCs on every input to my various Blackmagic capture devices.
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PostTue Feb 07, 2017 3:08 pm

Thanks - Any recommendations of a TBC to get (or avoid). I'm on the consumer end - but would consider a prosumer level one.

On a side note - I live in the US but did a short term consulting gig in 1999 in Milton Keynes - it was only about a week or two - but I remember it was a great place.
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PostTue Feb 07, 2017 5:11 pm

Kevin Call wrote:Thanks - Any recommendations of a TBC to get (or avoid). I'm on the consumer end - but would consider a prosumer level one.


Unfortunately, TBCs aren't really produced any more. There are some cheap ones from companies like TV-One but they're not very good and will still present problems when having to cope with major holes in sync. Your only option is to scour the likes of eBay for sales of ex-broadcast TV or video models like Snell & Wilcox (which I have), For-A, G2, etc. All the TBCs I've bought are from broadcasters like the BBC.

Kevin Call wrote:On a side note - I live in the US but did a short term consulting gig in 1999 in Milton Keynes - it was only about a week or two - but I remember it was a great place.


Ha ha! Hope you enjoyed yourself. Many people know MK from having seen major bands like Bowie, Queen, Michael Jackson etc at the National Bowl.
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PostTue Feb 07, 2017 9:09 pm

I second Colin on this, I have and use a Snell&Wilcox Kidos TBC, that even includes a ADC to give me a SDI output. Great little TBC..

See EBay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Snell-amp-Wilco ... 1140137621
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PostWed Feb 08, 2017 9:30 am

Yes, my main TBC is a Snell & Wilcox Kudos TBC11 which is a workhorse - it'll stabilise anything I throw at it! (It was used in a regional outpost of BBC TV in its MCR for years.)

Pity it doesn't have an ADC though, because that would be handy to feed directly to the Teranex 2D and avoid my having to output as YUV Component.
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PostWed Feb 08, 2017 6:09 pm

Yes, the Kudos is a nice unit. Mine is a NRS50, I picked up with my Sony DVCam editing deck for $150 (about 10 years ago), so it was a good deal, even today $150 would be a good price. I sent the SDI out to an AJA outboard video interface, that was FireWire output to my Mac G5, the AJA IO, could take separate audio and embed in the SDI output signal, or send the video/audio to the Mac. The Kudos is Video only, no embedded audio.

I would like to upgrade to a new HD BM PCIE card based video processor board on my new MacPro Tower (Intel 2011/12 model), with SDI HD/SDI inputs, and audio inputs, any suggestions Colin?

Also, the new BM ATEM TVS HD looks like it would work as a nice stand alone video switcher, connecting multiple SDI/HDMI sources to a SDI based computer video input/output board, so I could get away with just a SDI in/out video board.
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PostWed Feb 08, 2017 6:27 pm

Denny Smith wrote:Yes, the Kudos is a nice unit. Mine is a NRS50, I picked up with my Sony DVCam editing deck for $150 (about 10 years ago), so it was a good deal, even today $150 would be a good price.


That was an exceptionally good price 10 years ago - DVCAM deck AND Kudos TBC. Wow. And - yes - I'd jump at that even now.

Denny Smith wrote:I would like to upgrade to a new HD BM PCIE card based video processor board on my new MacPro Tower (Intel 2011/12 model), with SDI HD/SDI inputs, and audio inputs, any suggestions Colin?


'Fraid not. I don't need high processing power because for 95% of my time my systems are simply turning 4:3 SD PAL and NTSC off-tape sources into 10-bit Quicktime YUV files for archiving and I can get away with anything really. I am looking to upgrade soon, though. To what I'm not sure yet - depends on funds.

Denny Smith wrote:Also, the new BM ATEM TVS HD looks like it would work as a nice stand alone video switcher, connecting multiple SDI/HDMI sources to a SDI based computer video input/output board, so I could get away with just a SDI in/out video board.


Yes, I'd like a new switcher - it would make source selection a lot simpler. The single SDI output to my Teranex and other devices would be handy too.
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PostWed Feb 08, 2017 10:53 pm

Colin, thanks, maybe I will just get an newer (used) AJA IO PCIE unit. I paid $150 for the Kudos, the tape deck was another $200, but still $350 for both was still a good deal, and no shipping, as I picked it up in San Francisco, and got a nice lunch in the bargain at the SF Clif House.

Yes, I am thinking about that new switcher too.
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PostThu Feb 09, 2017 10:09 am

Denny Smith wrote:Colin, thanks, maybe I will just get an newer (used) AJA IO PCIE unit. I paid $150 for the Kudos, the tape deck was another $200, but still $350 for both was still a good deal, and no shipping, as I picked it up in San Francisco, and got a nice lunch in the bargain at the SF Clif House.


I keep threatening to pay SF a visit. My son has been there and loves it. Trouble is that I just don't get time for any vacation longer than a week these days!
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PostThu Feb 09, 2017 3:45 pm

Does the black magic save its configuration settings after we restart the pc or we switch it off or every time we must apply aggain the same configuration settings in the black magic dektop setup?
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PostSat Feb 11, 2017 2:24 pm

All Blackmagic capture devices are managed by the Desktop Video installed driver package which then gives you options on the hardware set-up, but used in combination with this is the Blackmagic Media Express software which gives you a general capture, clip management and playback interface. Into this you can enter clip metadata information for each clip (which is embedded into the clip file itself) and at the end of the session you have the option to save the whole list as an .xml file. Having closed down the session and then re-opened it later, you can then use "File > Open Most Recent" and re-open the previously-saved .xml file. This will restore all your clip info and settings, provided that nothing has changed.

This is helpful if you are working on more than one capture / clip management project with different capture settings; each time you load a specific project's .xml file Media Express will automatically load all the parameters related to that project.
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PostMon Oct 08, 2018 10:37 am

Colin, you mentioned that passing the signal through a DVD recorder like the Sony RDR HX900 would stabilize it a little bit, and indeed I tried and it works quite good.

Do you think that a tape player with DVD recorder like the Sony Slv-d960p would have a similar effect?

Thank you so much!
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Re: Intensity Shuttle USB 3.0 with VCR for old VHS Tapes to

PostWed Oct 10, 2018 2:45 pm

The SONY SLV-D960P is a normal video cassette recorder with a build-in DVD player ! The component connectings are only for de player, not the VCR.
What you want is a recorder combo like the Panasonic DMR-ES35V ! this is a good combination with the Intensity Shuttle, you don't have artifacts like you have from composite (RCA) or s-video (minDIN)
A DVR as passthrough could also be an option, but you can only input into composite or s-video that way.(twice.. output > input)
I own the DMR-ES35V, the component video out into the Shuttle gives a sharp image, the s-video output gives a "foggy" image, some people don't mind that, but they never have seen the difference !
You should study the manuals of vcr's, Google for it, also for the component connections, and if they are in "play" for the vcr part of a machine, and if they can be switched into progressive, Which is possible for the DMR-ES35V, this machine defeats also the MacroVision signal, in progessive mode, because it was intended to connect a flatscreen tv.
Later models does not have this "feature" for obvious reasons.
The DMR-ES35V gives a stable video signal, never had any black or dropped frames, even with "fast forward" or "freeze frame" the noise-bars are visible within the capture that way ofcourse...
The MDR-ES35V is still available on internet sites like Amazon or eBay.

btw. I just discovered that the DVR RDR-HX900 does have component video inputs ! never seen that !
but.... the component video inputs of this DVR accepts only standard definition interlaced video,(not of much use that way though) there are also several copyright protection scemes in play... all can be read in the manual >
https://www.docs.sony.com/release/RDRHX900.pdf
In short: both SONY machines mentioned have hidden extra's which may not be desireable to use them in capture setup's.
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