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Tom Roper wrote:joe12south wrote:Tom Roper wrote:You're not shooting a chromacity chart, you're shooting a patch chart.
Yeah...uh, that describes all calibration targets whether you're talking about a camera, a scanner a printer or a monitor.
But to your point of luts and looks, transparency as seen from lit patch charts, doesn't seem like proof was something you would be capable of, and in light of your agenda to disprove the "revolutionary RGBW 12K sensor," in a sad way, laughable.
So yes. There's the marketing. The claim is for revolutionary. Is it? Well, it's patented, no one else has it. It hasn't been described as superior in too many specific ways, but there's this; I have the pocket 6K (orig), it has great color, but I can see a difference, maybe not on a chart, maybe not in one instance, but overall it has a different look, worlds better than anything that I've been able to extract from my F55 and Sony AXSM raw. I think it's a valid enough claim, nothing provable. So who cares unless you are gnawed by envy, and griped that it appears primed to advance farther with the Ursa Cine-12K and 17K-65mm. What other reason for you to troll it?
Hey Tom, I think you're getting to the heart of it, even if you're wrapping it in an attack:
1. I have no agenda to "disprove" BMDs marketing about the original 12K. I'm not trolling the camera, or any company or any person, for that matter. The original Ursa 12K produces a perfectly nice image not all that different from the other 8K cameras I've tested. I'm merely, still, asking for a demonstration of the real world advantages of this new sensor tech. Maybe they exist. I can only say two things: A. In my very limited (one busy weekend) of testing I didn't notice any, and B. No one has been willing to educate me otherwise. The only thing I dislike about the original 12K is the form-factor. I've never hidden that fact, and it's nothing more than personal preference based on my working style.
2. Can you describe what makes it look "worlds better" to you? Can you provide a shot taken with both the F55 and the 12K that demonstrates the advantages? Maybe we have different ideas about what "worlds better" means, but I would assume it to mean at the very least that the difference is noticeable, right?
3. Why care? Well, if the new sensor design yields better color, then that might be a reason to spend more on a 12K over say, a 6K Pro. But if it doesn't actually offer a meaningful advantage, then other factors, including price, or form factor, or media, might become more important, right?