Will BMPCC4k be able to acquire anamorphic?

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Will BMPCC4k be able to acquire anamorphic?

PostWed May 23, 2018 3:36 pm

Will anamorphic acquisition be possible or can it be added to wishlist features
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Re: Will BMPCC4k be able to acquire anamorphic?

PostWed May 23, 2018 9:14 pm

Nothing stopping you from using anamorphic lenses to capture a squeezed image. I guess you’re asking if the Pocket 4K firmware will include a 2x or 1.33x desqueeze for the built-in monitor such as what we find on the URSA Mini 4.6K cameras. If it’s not there on day one, I’m sure it will come one day. They may have the code done if it is the same 5” monitor as used on the URSA Mini 4.6K camera.


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Re: Will BMPCC4k be able to acquire anamorphic?

PostThu May 24, 2018 4:21 am

No I am asking about anamorphic acquisition mode similar to Gh4
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Re: Will BMPCC4k be able to acquire anamorphic?

PostThu May 24, 2018 9:18 pm

At this point, the only shooting gate sizes are DCI 4K 17:9 full gate, UHD 16:9 and the smaller 16:9 HD window.
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Re: Will BMPCC4k be able to acquire anamorphic?

PostMon Jun 18, 2018 12:56 pm

+1

Please consider adding the full 43 sensor size as an output resolution. I need 4k60 CinemaDNG in 43 for my application.

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Re: Will BMPCC4k be able to acquire anamorphic?

PostMon Jun 18, 2018 4:41 pm

That would require an active sensor area of 18x13/14mm, the active height of the Picket 4k sensor is 10mm, optimized for 17:9 and 16:9 aspect ratios. A 4:3 would need to be a side crop off this, at a reduced resolution.
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Re: Will BMPCC4k be able to acquire anamorphic?

PostMon Jun 18, 2018 4:51 pm

Denny Smith wrote:That would require an active sensor area of 18x13/14mm, the active height of the Picket 4k sensor is 10mm, optimized for 17:9 and 16:9 aspect ratios. A 4:3 would need to be a side crop off this, at a reduced resolution.
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Ah, bummer. I was thinking it was just cropping to an effective 10mm, as based off the image below it appears to have a full 4:3 sensor:

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Are those top/bottom pixel rows of the sensor disabled in hardware or software?
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Re: Will BMPCC4k be able to acquire anamorphic?

PostMon Jun 18, 2018 5:32 pm

Good question. The GH5S version,of the sensor is full MFT 18.xx X 13.xxmm, and has a constant image circle at the different aspect ratios, except for 17:9 which is full gate width wise.

BM or Sony May have restricted the active image area, this but is unknown, and until the camera is released, BM is not saying much about the technology in the camera.
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Re: Will BMPCC4k be able to acquire anamorphic?

PostMon Jun 18, 2018 8:25 pm

There’s always a first time, but BMD has never offered a 4:3 active sensor area. And here’s probably the reason:

What anamorphic lenses or adapters do you want to use while recording in a 4:3 sensor area?

If you say 2x anamorphic, then you’re aspect ratio in post will be 8:3 or 2.66:1 and that’s not the generally accepted anamorphic widescreen aspect ratio so you end up cropping the sides of your images. So 4:3 is a waste of space.

If you say 1.33x, then you’re just going for 16:9 or the standard UHD/HD image frame and that’s not an anamorphic aspect ratio.

To date all BMD camera active sensor areas use a 16:9 aspect ratio. When you apply a 2x anamorphic, you get 3.55:1 in post and that’s a waste as your viewers won’t be seeing that in all likelihood. If use use 1.33x anamorphic lenses, your image will be 2.37:1 and a very slight crop with get you to your desired viewing anamorphic widescreen aspect ratio of either 2.35x (abandoned as a standard decades ago) or 2.39x, the current anamorphic widescreen standard.

So the reason may be one of economy of storage and efficient use of processing power in camera.


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Re: Will BMPCC4k be able to acquire anamorphic?

PostMon Jun 18, 2018 8:30 pm

BM is adding 17.9 for DCI 4K recording, using the new sensor’s full gate. Less and less productions are being done in anamorphic these days, it is not as popular as it One was back in film days, with all the new alternative selections available.
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Re: Will BMPCC4k be able to acquire anamorphic?

PostTue Jun 19, 2018 1:14 pm

Yah, it seems unlikely we'll see BM open up 4:3 capture. My reasons for acquiring a taller aspect is actually not for anamorphic lenses, but for capturing fisheye footage for PanoMoments (kind of like a 360 VR living photo) and the 16:9 crop really cuts down on resolution. The GH5 4:3 4/6k capture modes are really perfect for this. Though I definitely understand that I'm a bit of an outlier :)

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