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Blackmagic RAW

PostFri Sep 14, 2018 8:21 am

We have just announced our new format at IBC... Blackmagic RAW.

The game just changed.
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Re: Blackmagic RAW

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Re: Blackmagic RAW

PostFri Sep 14, 2018 8:26 am

Holy sh*t! Will this work on the Pocket? I guess the camera needs a lot of extra 'oomph' for the de-mosaicing, right?

*EDIT: Never mind, Grant mentions in the video it will be rolled out to the Pocket eventually.

Also might i just add how cool it is to see the CEO of a company give a thirty-minute walkthrough of this new feature (using blocks as props, haha!)!
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Re: Blackmagic RAW

PostFri Sep 14, 2018 8:30 am

OMG
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Re: Blackmagic RAW

PostFri Sep 14, 2018 8:51 am

Is/will it also be possible to install the firmware on the Mini 4.6k?
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Re: Blackmagic RAW

PostFri Sep 14, 2018 9:07 am

This looks fantastic. I certainly hope it will be on the Ursa Mini 4.6k though!

Definitely looking forward to using this on the Pocket 4k too :)
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Re: Blackmagic RAW

PostFri Sep 14, 2018 9:40 am

Wow! Thanks!
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Re: Blackmagic RAW

PostFri Sep 14, 2018 9:47 am

BMMCC support?
DNG to BRAW converter?
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Re: Blackmagic RAW

PostFri Sep 14, 2018 9:49 am

YES!!! OMG!!! YES!!!

Please, get this available to the URSA Mini 4.6K as well soon. I want to play and give feedback on it so much. I have a short film I'm planning... two actually. So I would love to use Blackmagic RAW for these. Got a shoot today, so wouldn't have installed the beta now since we shot yesterday. But I would totally have done it tomorrow so I could start playing next week.

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Re: Blackmagic RAW

PostFri Sep 14, 2018 9:49 am

Like others above I do hope it comes to the normal 4.6k soon. Been shooting most of my commercial work on the camera so I'd like to try it asap.
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Re: Blackmagic RAW

PostFri Sep 14, 2018 9:57 am

I know... But will ask anyway. Old BMPCC support? :roll:
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Re: Blackmagic RAW

PostFri Sep 14, 2018 10:03 am

Guess we know know why they didn't say too much about ProRes RAW support after NAB :-).

Just wondering what the support will be for NLEs - are there plug-ins in the pipeline for FCP X & Adobe products?

Look forward to trying it out soon.

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Re: Blackmagic RAW

PostFri Sep 14, 2018 10:06 am

Jan Smykowski wrote:Is/will it also be possible to install the firmware on the Mini 4.6k?


+1

If not please don't jerk our chain, just let us know now.
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Re: Blackmagic RAW

PostFri Sep 14, 2018 10:21 am

Very interesting. This just made the Pocket 4K a much more desirable camera!

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Re: Blackmagic RAW

PostFri Sep 14, 2018 10:23 am

Does other camera brands are looking to implement BRAW in their camera? As it is open source?

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Re: Blackmagic RAW

PostFri Sep 14, 2018 10:49 am

Amazing! I really hope all these updates trickle down to the Ursa Mini 4K.
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Re: Blackmagic RAW

PostFri Sep 14, 2018 10:58 am

if they develop the way to convert other raw to their, they do BINGO!!!
to anyone think is impossible, cineform Raw could do this 15 years ago.

big congratulation di BMD, as usual they are the last innovators of the tech video.
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Re: Blackmagic RAW

PostFri Sep 14, 2018 11:08 am

Awesome news. I have a feeling this may be getting close to the Alexa look. Good Job BMD team.
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Re: Blackmagic RAW

PostFri Sep 14, 2018 11:30 am

Congratulations BM!! Excellent work and we are all "chomping at The bit" to get this option for all us 4.6k Ursa Mini users.


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Re: Blackmagic RAW

PostFri Sep 14, 2018 11:41 am

Congratulations! Any chance that this will be rolling out for the regular URSA Mini 4.6K?
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Re: Blackmagic RAW

PostFri Sep 14, 2018 11:49 am

Sounds kind of like ProRes RAW.
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Re: Blackmagic RAW

PostFri Sep 14, 2018 12:10 pm

Dave Perry wrote:Sounds kind of like ProRes RAW.

better...
open sdk
open support
first software that read it is a professional color correction software not an small editing software.
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Re: Blackmagic RAW

PostFri Sep 14, 2018 12:10 pm

Exciting news! Noticed in the film Mini Pro footage at 1500 - does BRAW dramatically improve low light performance - it's looking that way to me?
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Re: Blackmagic RAW

PostFri Sep 14, 2018 12:24 pm

What's the chances of this becoming available on the original BM4K cinema camera, the "big" URSA 4K and the URSA Mini 4K?
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Re: Blackmagic RAW

PostFri Sep 14, 2018 12:25 pm

I wonder if with the lighter weight codec............. Could that mean, through a firmware update, higher FPS non windowed recording?
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Re: Blackmagic RAW

PostFri Sep 14, 2018 12:28 pm

Could someone from Blackmagic confirm which cameras this will be rolled out to? Particularly the original pocket and original Ursa? That would certainly give these cameras a new lease of life.
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Re: Blackmagic RAW

PostFri Sep 14, 2018 12:31 pm

Way to go, Blackmagic Design team! I’m buying you all drinks at the next NAB.
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Re: Blackmagic RAW

PostFri Sep 14, 2018 12:33 pm

Iain Philpott wrote:I wonder if with the lighter weight codec............. Could that mean, through a firmware update, higher FPS non windowed recording?

higher fps need faster reading from sensor, not a problem of recording on bmd cameras.this a reason that you can do with windowed recording like in Red sensors.
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Re: Blackmagic RAW

PostFri Sep 14, 2018 12:36 pm

Lol welp that just killed my desire for prores RAW
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Re: Blackmagic RAW

PostFri Sep 14, 2018 12:41 pm

This is huge, but if they make this available on the Pro, I don't see why not to the 4.6K at the same time. Is the hardware that different?
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Re: Blackmagic RAW

PostFri Sep 14, 2018 12:50 pm

Still digesting this announcement. Was going to invest in some CFast 2.0 cards and potentially better editing hardware in anticipation of BMPCC4K but this changes everything.

I hope Apple don't acquire BMD.
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Re: Blackmagic RAW

PostFri Sep 14, 2018 1:20 pm

Hi,
does anyone knows if ursa mini 4.6k is going to get that BRAW? I didn't see it mentioned not once at the Grant's video or any other places. Perhaps I missed it?

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Re: Blackmagic RAW

PostFri Sep 14, 2018 1:39 pm

Eli hershko wrote:Hi,
does anyone knows if ursa mini 4.6k is going to get that BRAW? I didn't see it mentioned not once at the Grant's video or any other places. Perhaps I missed it?

Eli

in video told that start from mini pro, then pocket4k and other Ursa mini
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Re: Blackmagic RAW

PostFri Sep 14, 2018 1:44 pm

robert Hart wrote:What's the chances of this becoming available on the original BM4K cinema camera, the "big" URSA 4K and the URSA Mini 4K?


Original BM4K would be amazing, although I very much doubt it. Decided a few days ago I'm going to look into using the one I have access to for some theater work, since the global shutter will make my life A LOT easier (damn stage lighting...). This would turn it from a "maybe..." to a "hell yeah!". I might even start hunting for some used ones on eBay if that happens...

I'd be very disappointed if Mini 4K didn't get it, though, since that's my main camera for the moment (partly due to the shutter, again).
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Re: Blackmagic RAW

PostFri Sep 14, 2018 1:46 pm

Player works well, and the short samples given run fine on both a 12" Macbook and Mac Pro. This is looking very promising indeed. I hope they have time to load BMRAW on the coming 4K camera.
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Re: Blackmagic RAW

PostFri Sep 14, 2018 1:46 pm

I could be wrong, but didn't he say previously that the new colour science 4 will be available in the Ursa Mini 4.6 as well. It seems to me that it is somehow connected with BRAW... It would be a shame if the UM4.6 is left behind. I thought also it shared the same processor like UMP.. :?
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Re: Blackmagic RAW

PostFri Sep 14, 2018 2:00 pm

Walter Segundo wrote:I know... But will ask anyway. Old BMPCC support? :roll:


Most likely not. Only URSA mini Pro and Pocket 4K only.
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Re: Blackmagic RAW

PostFri Sep 14, 2018 2:05 pm

What, Raw released at IBC. I was hoping to see the pocket there?
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Re: Blackmagic RAW

PostFri Sep 14, 2018 2:11 pm

Iain Philpott wrote:Could someone from Blackmagic confirm which cameras this will be rolled out to? Particularly the original pocket and original Ursa? That would certainly give these cameras a new lease of life.

+1
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Re: Blackmagic RAW

PostFri Sep 14, 2018 2:14 pm

Aleksandar Bogdanov wrote:I could be wrong, but didn't he say previously that the new colour science 4 will be available in the Ursa Mini 4.6 as well. It seems to me that it is somehow connected with BRAW... It would be a shame if the UM4.6 is left behind. I thought also it shared the same processor like UMP.. :?


at end of video Grant tell that braw, new cs and more will be available for other mini and pocket4k later.
about previous cameras I'm a bit skeptical be cause their processor could be too weak.
we must attend and see.
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Re: Blackmagic RAW

PostFri Sep 14, 2018 2:24 pm

Wayne Steven wrote:What, Raw released at IBC. I was hoping to see the pocket there?


They have a lot of Pocket 4K cameras here, if that helps.
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Re: Blackmagic RAW

PostFri Sep 14, 2018 2:33 pm

Thank you, thank you, thank you BM!
Another side benefit is now we won't need a beast of a computer to efficiently edit and grade with.
And BRAW breathes longer life into our existing workstations/laptops.
Wonderful!
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Re: Blackmagic RAW

PostFri Sep 14, 2018 2:33 pm

carlomacchiavello wrote:at end of video Grant tell that braw, new cs and more will be available for other mini and pocket4k later.
about previous cameras I'm a bit skeptical be cause their processor could be too weak.
we must attend and see.


That's probably going to be the determining factor in what cameras get BRaw support and which ones don't... if they have enough computing power on board, they'll probably get it sooner or later.

It's probably coming soon for the UM 4.6K and the Pocket 4K. BMD's going to want it in the field as soon as possible, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was already in closed alpha testing.

Besides, how else would they test the SDK? :)
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Re: Blackmagic RAW

PostFri Sep 14, 2018 2:39 pm

carlomacchiavello wrote:
Aleksandar Bogdanov wrote:I could be wrong, but didn't he say previously that the new colour science 4 will be available in the Ursa Mini 4.6 as well. It seems to me that it is somehow connected with BRAW... It would be a shame if the UM4.6 is left behind. I thought also it shared the same processor like UMP.. :?


at end of video Grant tell that braw, new cs and more will be available for other mini and pocket4k later.
about previous cameras I'm a bit skeptical be cause their processor could be too weak.
we must attend and see.



I think you meant in the beginning of the video (4:20). Just went over the end of the video and there is NO mention to that ...
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Re: Blackmagic RAW

PostFri Sep 14, 2018 2:55 pm

Eli hershko wrote:
carlomacchiavello wrote:
Aleksandar Bogdanov wrote:I could be wrong, but didn't he say previously that the new colour science 4 will be available in the Ursa Mini 4.6 as well. It seems to me that it is somehow connected with BRAW... It would be a shame if the UM4.6 is left behind. I thought also it shared the same processor like UMP.. :?


at end of video Grant tell that braw, new cs and more will be available for other mini and pocket4k later.
about previous cameras I'm a bit skeptical be cause their processor could be too weak.
we must attend and see.



I think you meant in the beginning of the video (4:20). Just went over the end of the video and there is NO mention to that ...


27:15 he tell it...
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Re: Blackmagic RAW

PostFri Sep 14, 2018 2:57 pm

This is AWESOME! I have an FS7/Atomos Shogun at my work, and I did some Prores Raw (non-scientific) tests when it was released, and compared to CDNG...the CDNG held up better.

I'm looking forward to getting my P4k and testing the Braw in similar tests - I'm trying not to set my expectations too high, but.... :D

Great Job, BMD and Grant! Keep up the good work!

Now I gotta save for that UMP... :)
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Re: Blackmagic RAW

PostFri Sep 14, 2018 3:00 pm

Totally amazing! Way to go, BlackMagic! I've pre-ordered the BMPCC4K when it was announced, hopefully it will arrive soon, and BM RAW shortly after.

I also like the updates for Resolve 15.1 you released today! It's a good Friday :)

Thank you, BlackMagic!
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Re: Blackmagic RAW

PostFri Sep 14, 2018 3:04 pm

think to a video Assist4k that could record a open raw format, that could be add and read from every software, that you can do color with sidecar files, instead to produce x files.
think to export in braw when you edit, and you only need to copy sequence from original to another files (old but way to speedup editing possibile with some codecs from since 20 years.
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Re: Blackmagic RAW

PostFri Sep 14, 2018 3:12 pm

Hi,

Could someone clarify for me on the file arrangement please? I believe that, as opposed to *.R3D with an individual file limit (up to 4GB) and with multiple sequenced files per shoot, with Blackmagic RAW recording a single *braw file is produced with no inherent file-size limit (excepting media capacity). Is this correct?

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Re: Blackmagic RAW

PostFri Sep 14, 2018 4:05 pm

So far it looks great. Shot a clip at 1600 ISO to see if there's a difference in the FPN on the UMP, and it's definitely improved. Only minor downside I've seen thus far is that when shooting .BRAW, any resolution aside from 4.6K is automatically windowed, with no option disable sensor windowing.
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