Camera Shipping Update: 1/14

In germany there are the first BMCCs available! ... got mine today from TELTEC, Wiesbaden!
Yeah
guys, it's worth waiting ... it wont be long ...

I'm not sure I believe it yet, but I ordered a CF version (yes, MFT is awesome, but I want it now) on 01/11/2013 from B&H. I just got notification that it shipped.

I couldn't believe it. I was expecting May or June. So I called B&H, and they say the order is going out. They also said it appeared to be legit. Still didn't believe it. Customer Service confirm it. So I call Pro Camera. They don't even have their demo unit, but he confirmed it looked like it was going out. Whatever, this can't be right.

...

There's always the possibility I get a box with cut up flooring in it tomorrow — it's happened before to people. But I had to post this to the forums, because I know people seem to be really frustrated about not getting their cameras, and apparently, you can now get them. Or at least it appears so — I'll know tomorrow.

I'm going to assume that, in your well-deserved excitement, you mean the "EF version."

I just checked my order status from B&H (ordered in late September 2012) and it is still listed as backordered. So, it does appear that B&H shipped to you out of order, if indeed, they shipped your camera.

Good for you! As for B&H: to quote one of my favorite classic TV shows, they got some 'splainin to do!

Also, if you get your camera, I would assume it is fluke and that people cannot expect to get their cams in two weeks.

Just got off of the phone with B&H he checked my order #, then said that I should get it in the next week or two.

I really hope he wasn't just telling me what I wanted to hear.


Fingers crossed.

*** EF-Mount -Early May order.***

In germany there are the first BMCCs available! ... got mine today from TELTEC, Wiesbaden!
Yeah
guys, it's worth waiting ... it wont be long ...

Wow, I ordered there, too. When did you pre-order, if I may ask?

Congrats to your first-born

Anyone buying into this "Metabones Speedbooster adapter"??

think the'll make an EF-EF model for the EF-BMCC customers who have EF-mount glass??

Whoops!

http://www.eoshd.com/content/9106/black ... -mft-mount

Anyone buying into this "Metabones Speedbooster adapter"??

think the'll make an EF-EF model for the EF-BMCC customers who have EF-mount glass??

Supposedly an EF-EF adapter is impossible due to lens design and flange distance or whatever. I am buying into the adapter, because the reasoning behind its claims is logical, and the test footage seems to prove its worth. I want to switch my order to M43 for this reason, but it seems risky to make such a decision based on a product that has not been widely used and that might experience its own nine month shipping delay.

Got mine today! I placed my order mid August in the UK, pretty surprised it's here in January, but there you go!

…I ordered ...on 01/11/2013 from B&H. I just got notification that it shipped.

…apparently you can order a Blackmagic CF mount camera now. And you'll have it in about 14 days from the day you order.

Okay, this brings my blood near the boiling point. As a customer who was first-in-line in April for EF, then converted ("without penalty") to first-in-line for MFT, I'm beyond disappointed with BMD for shipping to customers who ordered in August and January 2013, and not shipping MFT.

According to multiple sources (which may turn out to be completely fake), the camera features:

Slightly revised chassis design
Improved raw codec
Phantom XLR power
Larger internal battery
External battery mount
Active 4/3rd’s mount (electronic contacts for zoom, aperture and focus on Lumix and Olympus lenses)
The camera ‘should be announced in early 2013′.

If this is true, those of us who pre-ordered the MFT better be getting this new puppy. (Maybe that's what Grant meant by "no point" in making the MFTs because he knows the active MFTs are almost ready to ship?)

If they shove us to the back of the line waiting for the MFT, and then make it obsolete with the active MFT one month later, it's time to metaphorically storm the castle with pitchforks and torches.

You know, BMD, if you're going to leapfrog over the passive MFT and ship us the rumored active MFT, all you'd have to do is post something like:

"Dear MFT customers,

Sorry for the wait.
Trust us, it'll be worth it.
You'll be happy.
Please be patient."

And we'd all stop bellyaching.

We are talking about the shipment of the BMCC. Please try to stay on topic.


Congrats to all of those who have received their cameras. I order mines from B&H on July 9th, going to ring them up tomorrow and ask them why I havent heard a word if people who order much later than me are getting shipping notifications. If they give me anything worth posting I will come back share.

In germany there are the first BMCCs available! ... got mine today from TELTEC, Wiesbaden!
Yeah
guys, it's worth waiting ... it wont be long ...

when did you order Joerg? We also ordered at Teltec (Berlin office) beginning of June 2012. Do you know how many units they received in the first batch?

Congrats to your new cam!

Ready to be made. They havent even started building them.

Okay, so here is a CONCRETE update for all your guys waiting from B&H.

So my studio is about 5 blocks away from the Megastore in New York City, and like all of you, I want to hold the camera and get my hands on one. Since I knew the wait is long, I decided to brave the cold to walk up the street and see if they had a demo model on the floor. YES THEY DID. Beautiful little camera. Now here is the kicker. I set the camera down and strike up a convo with the B&H worker to get us some confirmed numbers for their shipments. This might have been stated before....but he said right now they are getting FIVE cameras per week. They have a backorder list that is over 1000 orders. He then goes on to say that bulk shipments will start along with the MFT BMCC. He says that should be flowing in 3 to 4 weeks.

So if you are still waiting and near NYC, but want a fix, go play with the demo model.

Okay, so here is a CONCRETE update for all your guys waiting from B&H.

So my studio is about 5 blocks away from the Megastore in New York City, and like all of you, I want to hold the camera and get my hands on one. Since I knew the wait is long, I decided to brave the cold to walk up the street and see if they had a demo model on the floor. YES THEY DID. Beautiful little camera. Now here is the kicker. I set the camera down and strike up a convo with the B&H worker to get us some confirmed numbers for their shipments. This might have been stated before....but he said right now they are getting FIVE cameras per week. They have a backorder list that is over 1000 orders. He then goes on to say that bulk shipments will start along with the MFT BMCC. He says that should be flowing in 3 to 4 weeks.

So if you are still waiting and near NYC, but want a fix, go play with the demo model.

Thank you. Sincerely thank you.

Okay, so here is a CONCRETE update for all your guys waiting from B&H.

So my studio is about 5 blocks away from the Megastore in New York City, and like all of you, I want to hold the camera and get my hands on one. Since I knew the wait is long, I decided to brave the cold to walk up the street and see if they had a demo model on the floor. YES THEY DID. Beautiful little camera. Now here is the kicker. I set the camera down and strike up a convo with the B&H worker to get us some confirmed numbers for their shipments. This might have been stated before....but he said right now they are getting FIVE cameras per week. They have a backorder list that is over 1000 orders. He then goes on to say that bulk shipments will start along with the MFT BMCC. He says that should be flowing in 3 to 4 weeks.

So if you are still waiting and near NYC, but want a fix, go play with the demo model.

So at the current rate according to you all orders will be filled in a few months less than 4 years...
I'd hope production rates will increase and should hopefully fill orders by 10 fold soon.

I'm a long time lurker here, I've been waiting to order the camera because of all the delays i've seen.

I think biweekly Shipping Updates would be nice.

At least from the standpoint of the consumer, we obviously want information...so until production is at full

capacity (and the MFT model starts shipping) let's have at least some numbers

on devices that have been cranked out.

Just a thought.

It would sure make a few people happy.

Yes we need updates. The majority of us havent recieve their cameras and in some countries there only been single figure release or none. Just because more people recently than previous has recieve theirs it still represent a very low figure.

In germany there are the first BMCCs available! ... got mine today from TELTEC, Wiesbaden!
Yeah
guys, it's worth waiting ... it wont be long ...

Wow, I ordered there, too. When did you pre-order, if I may ask?

Congrats to your first-born

I ordered early april and paid in may ..

I ordered early april and paid in may ..

Thanks. Maybe I should pay as well... but I ordered laaate.

In germany there are the first BMCCs available! ... got mine today from TELTEC, Wiesbaden!
Yeah
guys, it's worth waiting ... it wont be long ...

Wow, I ordered there, too. When did you pre-order, if I may ask?

Congrats to your first-born

I ordered early april and paid in may ..

Congratulations! What do you mean with "the first BMCC's (Plural) are avaiable".. do you have any information of other BMCC's than yours?
I'm waiting for mine here in Germany..

My wife got here BCC yesterday in Paris France. She ordered it in may, early june.
she was 6th in the waiting line, but 2 units got delivered last fall. So she was on 4th position.
It means at least 4 units were delivered if no one canceled their order.

Phoned with Teltec in Germany. They confirmed that they are delivering although only in very little numbers...

i have still hope to shoot a huge project with the BMCC beginning by the end of march....

What are the chances of getting this camera in the UK before the end of March? Would be a shame not to have it where i'm going.
I haven't pre-ordered. If it still isn't around in stock will probably look elsewhere, how much are Scarlets going for 2nd hand in the uk?

Just got it! Looking good in Sweden. Ordered in April. Thanks.

Got mine yesterday in Oslo, Norway - ordered at NAB.

Freytag Media.net in Karlsruhe, Germany will get the first shipment in less than 14 days.

Freytag Media.net in Karlsruhe, Germany will get the first shipment in less than 14 days.

Did they tell you how many cameras are included in the shipment?

So at the current rate according to you all orders will be filled in a few months less than 4 years...
I'd hope production rates will increase and should hopefully fill orders by 10 fold soon.

No, the B&H rep. stated that the EF will come in bulk when the 4/3s is ready. Which is soon.

Freytag Media.net in Karlsruhe, Germany will get the first shipment in less than 14 days.

Did they tell you how many cameras are included in the shipment?

And: how many preorders they've received might be some useful info as well.

Freytag Media.net in Karlsruhe, Germany will get the first shipment in less than 14 days.

Did they tell you how many cameras are included in the shipment?

And: how many preorders they've received might be some useful info as well.

Don´t know. i´m number 2, ordered right after NAB announcment. But they told me Teltec received 4 units in their first shipment.

It's rare to see any comments from people who, like me, ordered only in the last month or so. If all of you who ordered last April, May and June are starting to get yours now barely, if at all, I'm beginning to wonder if I won't see mine till December 2013.

I ordered the MFT version. This could be extremely foolish on my part to ask this, but my debate is, what if the MFT arrives just before NAB. Then the rumored active MFT gets announced. Will Blackmagic honor a return for an upgrade? Thoughts?

If what Andrew Reid says is true (I hope the rumors are true) than boy that wait will be worth it. Better battery life, XLR input with Phantom power and active MFT. Boy oh Boy!

I ordered the MFT version. This could be extremely foolish on my part to ask this, but my debate is, what if the MFT arrives just before NAB. Then the rumored active MFT gets announced. Will Blackmagic honor a return for an upgrade? Thoughts?

If what Andrew Reid says is true (I hope the rumors are true) than boy that wait will be worth it. Better battery life, XLR input with Phantom power and active MFT. Boy oh Boy!

It would be extremely foolish on BMD's part to release specs on a new model when they aren't even done shipping the current camera to 5% of the people who have pre-ordered the EF model (and none of the MTF models).

Do you REALLY think they would release specs on a new camera when they haven't even began shipping MTF V1? NAB is barely over 2 months away. There's no way in hell.

It would be extremely foolish on BMD's part to release specs on a new model when they aren't even done shipping the current camera to 5% of the people who have pre-ordered the EF model (and none of the MTF models)...

Well I remember when it was only an EF model scheduled for July 31.

Do you REALLY think they would release specs on a new camera when they haven't even began shipping MTF V1? NAB is barely over 2 months away. There's no way in hell.

That's the problem, can we trust that they wont? is more like it, with round "1" I trust nothing from BMD, Expect to be screwed with the "V2 Round 2" of this camera, and expect to be screwed on price with V2 of this camera, this is the norm, it's called bait and hook!

Scary. They better do something fast as there's only so much time until 4k and raw become the norm for sub $6k and the other companies catch up with their own versions w XLRs, phantom power, higher frame rates etc...

I would like to see Blackmagic come out on top.

Speaking only for myself . . .

One of the nice things about BMD, no matter what rushed to market copies that other "camera makers" come up with, is that the mere whisper of the BMCC has exerted significant downward pressure on the price of pretty much everything else . . . including the vaunted Canon EOS C300 which was announced at 20k and is now 16k (for those of us who can blow that kind of cash on something which requires nearly the same expenditure for “add ons” which will then give it full pro video camera capability.

The singular question for me (and I’m a lot farther out than most of you here in receiving my BMCC) was/is, do I put on my “big boy pants” and make a decision relative to what’s coming available and/or been officially announced by BMD thereby enjoying the benefits of the camera now (or soon, as it were). Or . . . do I wait it out? What I’m not going to do is make my own decision and then bitch about it later because something new comes down the pike . . .if I were worried about that I’d simply never buy anything.

this shows that blackmagic not prepared to manufacture cameras, I think this will be the last of them ......

this shows that blackmagic not prepared to manufacture cameras, I think this will be the last of them ......

I really hope you're wrong!

I strongly believe BM is in the process of getting it together and will continue to learn and become a strong mainstream contender. It takes time. Nothing great is easily attained. Eventually we will all greatly benefit from their vision and efforts. Personally, it's difficult to see something so promising and then wait... and wait... and wait. I'm told it builds character.

I've decided to wait even longer until things are really sorted out because I'm not too interested in being on the bleeding edge with all the accompanying frustrations and I'm not in a big hurry. I want my effort to go into the productions, not the gear. On the other hand it's really exciting to be a pioneer. So are the cameras coming? yes, it's happening...slowly for the time being, it just takes time to ramp up.

Guys, we are hearing receipt of the camera ONLY from members of this forum, and yet it is being reported from all over the globe. Think of those recepients not on this forum who are not reporting their cameras. This is what I call mass production even though Grant is being humble enough to mention it. The man is delivering; but can he deliver to everyone at once? I also was a cry baby at some point, but thank God I've grown up. In truth, I dont think Grant was prepared for the wave of consumer interest that his camera has generated. All major resellers are counting thousands of re-orders and counting everyday. If you were pitting BMD against Canon or Nikon in an apples for apples kind of way - in a production environment, am pretty sure the BMCC will be in everybody's hands by now. Supply and demand is not equally balanced due it's size. All the same they have started a new era in cinematography-period.

The only way I can interprete as "mass production" is when resellers have them in stock and customers can order one without having to wait.
Yes there are those who might have got theirs but did'nt post here but I also believe there are many times more who are still waiting that havent post here too. Even going by posts on here my guess is for every one person who got theirs 20+ are still waiting

so i calculated, if you have pre order BMCC in April and received in januari it means 8 or 9 months of waiting
I ordered on 30 august 2012 and i well ........................ end of April or Mai 2013

so i calculated, if you have pre order BMCC in April and received in januari it means 8 or 9 months of waiting
I ordered on 30 august 2012 and i well ........................ end of April or Mai 2013

There are still many who ordered in April 2012 and I'm not optimistic they will all get theirs by April/NAB 2013. Incidentally someone on here said they ordered theirs in August 2012 and it arrived last week which make delaying the release of the MFT sound like a poor excuse. It is clear that not all orders are fulfilled based on how soon the orders has been placed. I'm sure major resellers such as B&H, CVP, etc, have placed the preorder to BMD for all its April, May, June and July customers before someone who ordered his in August who now got his camera. Its a bloody mess to put it kindly.

Mine arrives tomorrow from AV Alive. I ordered the day after the BMCC was announced last April.

Naturally, I'm beyond psyched. I wish all those out there still waiting the best of luck, and hope yours turn up ASAP. For what it's worth, I've never had any problem at all with the wait, especially since AV Alive didn't require a deposit to place the order.

Those who have put cash down, IMHO, have the greatest cause for dissatisfaction. Still, I do believe this camera delivers such astonishing value for the investment that once it does arrive, the wait will be largely forgotten.

At any rate, I wish you all the joy I expect to experience tomorrow.

here we are, almost a month of ramped up production, I count 6-7 units having arrived at my reseller. At this rate I will be waiting for about another 4-5 months for my order, which was made April 25th.

I realise BMD wont comment on numbers, and I know that the rate is apparently increasing each week, but what I would like to know is, Is the apparent un-even distribution of cameras with each reseller a deliberate strategy - or is there another reason why B&H are getting so many and everywhere else are getting so few?

here we are, almost a month of ramped up production, I count 6-7 units having arrived at my reseller. At this rate I will be waiting for about another 4-5 months for my order, which was made April 25th.

I realise BMD wont comment on numbers, and I know that the rate is apparently increasing each week, but what I would like to know is, Is the apparent un-even distribution of cameras with each reseller a deliberate strategy - or is there another reason why B&H are getting so many and everywhere else are getting so few?

At this point doesent matter when u preordered. A few that ordered later (example, in august) have it... Is a distributor thread, and even the sellers doesent know the strategy...

here we are, almost a month of ramped up production, I count 6-7 units having arrived at my reseller. At this rate I will be waiting for about another 4-5 months for my order, which was made April 25th.

I realise BMD wont comment on numbers, and I know that the rate is apparently increasing each week, but what I would like to know is, Is the apparent un-even distribution of cameras with each reseller a deliberate strategy - or is there another reason why B&H are getting so many and everywhere else are getting so few?

I'm with you Tom. It's just ridiculous. The whole thing is totally unfair, every reseller out there claims to have ordered first and the truth is that they're all getting cameras at the same time. I'd like to know why B&H are getting more than anywhere else either.

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As a blatant guess, from reports it seems B&H had well over 800 pre-orders. I wouldn't be surprised if that kind of buying power gave them some kind of priority.

here we are, almost a month of ramped up production, I count 6-7 units having arrived at my reseller. At this rate I will be waiting for about another 4-5 months for my order, which was made April 25th.

I realise BMD wont comment on numbers, and I know that the rate is apparently increasing each week, but what I would like to know is, Is the apparent un-even distribution of cameras with each reseller a deliberate strategy - or is there another reason why B&H are getting so many and everywhere else are getting so few?

I'm with you Tom. It's just ridiculous. The whole thing is totally unfair, every reseller out there claims to have ordered first and the truth is that they're all getting cameras at the same time. I'd like to know why B&H are getting more than anywhere else either.

Not only do we need to concern ourselves with unfair distribution, But blatant disregard for client's order status.

There seems to be a common issue among the recent complaints in this thread. Things are stated as facts when none of us really have any information. For example, B&H is singled out as getting more than its fair share of cameras. If those making this claim can produce the same hard numbers to back up their claims that they demand of BMD, then I'll accept their statements as fact. Otherwise, these claims fall into the category of speculation.

How does anyone here know that B&H has gotten anything more than its pro-rata allocation of orders? Suppose that two retailers sent orders to BMD at the same time. Retailer A ordered 20 units and Retailer B ordered 10 units. If three units are produced, what is the fair allocation? Seems pretty simple to me: A gets twice as many units as B. This has nothing to do with when customers of A and B ordered their units. There is really no feasible way for BMD (or any other company) to monitor or enforce time priority of end-customer orders in the distributor model. Anyone who thinks end-customer time priority should be enforced probably would compain at the grocery that they see someone in another checkout lane getting done faster.

I also take issue with the observations that folks are posting about B&H. The recent posts seem to imply that B&H is shipping tons of cameras compared to their number of orders. I just don't see the evidence of this. Yes, quite a few B&H customers appear to have received orders compared to other retailers. But, this was true in the early days of shipping of other in-demand models, such as the Canon 5D Mark III. B&H is a large player. Same applies to the U.S. receiving more cameras than other individual countries. Perhaps I've missed it, but it is not as if people who ordered in June from B&H are receiving their cameras. The latest B&H pre-order date that I've seen that has received a shipping notice is an order from the first week of May. Some who ordered from smaller retailers (e.g., a small retailer in Kentucky) as late as October has received their camera. Even as someone who ordered earlier (but still quite late in the game) from B&H, I wouldn't cry foul on BMD for this. The line was simply shorter at that smaller retailer. I seem to recall someone outside the U.S. receiving their camera from a June pre-order. So what? Again, the line was obviously shorter there.

Frankly, cries of "unfair!" here sounds a little childish. This is a situation in which expectations are absolute fairness are very much misplaced. But, I understand the frustration, too.

In the end, the thing that seems most clear to me is that mass production means one thing to BMD and quite another to me. But, I'll hold myself to the same standard as indicated above. I don't have any hard numbers. That's why I'm being clear that these are impressions based on this and other forums. It just doesn't seem like many people (regardless of where they live or from whom they ordered) are receiving cameras. Would I like an update from BMD? Sure, why not? But, what do we really expect to learn that will change anything? They seem to be shipping some cameras.

As soon as there is something better than the BMCC for my situation, I'll cancel my preorder. Until then, I'll wait.

There seems to be a common issue among the recent complaints in this thread. Things are stated as facts when none of us really have any information. For example, B&H is singled out as getting more than its fair share of cameras. If those making this claim can produce the same hard numbers to back up their claims that they demand of BMD, then I'll accept their statements as fact. Otherwise, these claims fall into the category of speculation.

How does anyone here know that B&H has gotten anything more than its pro-rata allocation of orders? Suppose that two retailers sent orders to BMD at the same time. Retailer A ordered 20 units and Retailer B ordered 10 units. If three units are produced, what is the fair allocation? Seems pretty simple to me: A gets twice as many units as B. This has nothing to do with when customers of A and B ordered their units. There is really no feasible way for BMD (or any other company) to monitor or enforce time priority of end-customer orders in the distributor model. Anyone who thinks end-customer time priority should be enforced probably would compain at the grocery that they see someone in another checkout lane getting done faster.

I also take issue with the observations that folks are posting about B&H. The recent posts seem to imply that B&H is shipping tons of cameras compared to their number of orders. I just don't see the evidence of this. Yes, quite a few B&H customers appear to have received orders compared to other retailers. But, this was true in the early days of shipping of other in-demand models, such as the Canon 5D Mark III. B&H is a large player. Same applies to the U.S. receiving more cameras than other individual countries. Perhaps I've missed it, but it is not as if people who ordered in June from B&H are receiving their cameras. The latest B&H pre-order date that I've seen that has received a shipping notice is an order from the first week of May. Some who ordered from smaller retailers (e.g., a small retailer in Kentucky) as late as October has received their camera. Even as someone who ordered earlier (but still quite late in the game) from B&H, I wouldn't cry foul on BMD for this. The line was simply shorter at that smaller retailer. I seem to recall someone outside the U.S. receiving their camera from a June pre-order. So what? Again, the line was obviously shorter there.

Frankly, cries of "unfair!" here sounds a little childish. This is a situation in which expectations are absolute fairness are very much misplaced. But, I understand the frustration, too.

In the end, the thing that seems most clear to me is that mass production means one thing to BMD and quite another to me. But, I'll hold myself to the same standard as indicated above. I don't have any hard numbers. That's why I'm being clear that these are impressions based on this and other forums. It just doesn't seem like many people (regardless of where they live or from whom they ordered) are receiving cameras. Would I like an update from BMD? Sure, why not? But, what do we really expect to learn that will change anything? They seem to be shipping some cameras.

As soon as there is something better than the BMCC for my situation, I'll cancel my preorder. Until then, I'll wait.

I have only asked BMD for a clarification on how they are supposed to be distributed. This is me trying to obtain hard data.

I know the hard data as of last week regarding how many units have arrived at my reseller. Based on people knowing their position in line and reporting if they have received their cameras yet.

I know that I have counted at least 25 individual people who have received theirs from B&H so this is hard data to suggest that B&H are at least receiving multiples of units more than another major reseller.

I would not be surprised if the number of units ordered or when each reseller ordered is the cause of this difference. But like you, I also want hard data and not speculation.