BMPCC as a still camera

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BMPCC as a still camera

PostFri Oct 04, 2019 1:09 am

Picked up a BMPCC6K to see if I could use it as a 24MP still camera.

Some things may be unfixable, like the startup time or the autofocus speed or rotating portraits, but there are some things that might be reasonable QoL fixes for future updates.

  • Option to save stills to SD card and video to CFast. Saving to the CFast is a waste, performance wise, and SD card readers on laptops are common. But the time to change the configuration to record to CFast is too long, so I would miss any video options as the frames drop almost immediately.
  • Option to remap the top record button to stills. Just for digital ergonomics. The front button can stay fixed function.
  • Option for shutter sound. Some click or beep or something to let me know when the shutter released.
  • Viewing of recorded stills.
  • Option to prevent the ISO, iris, etc. from rolling over from the lowest to highest value. I want to spin the wheel on the grip and not worry about watching where it lands. I should know that if I spin it far enough, it will lock, then I can spin it back 3 clicks to the value I want. All without looking.
  • Read the CFast or SD card when connected to computer via USB.
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Re: BMPCC as a still camera

PostFri Oct 04, 2019 2:30 am

Chad, sounds like you hit the wrong camera. The Picket 4/6K are Cinema Video Cameras that can take a single raw frame grab. Your wish list is not likely to happen, misread not physically possible due to the camera design.

You should look at the new Canon Mirrorless or the Nikon Z6, they can do what you are requesting. ;)
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Re: BMPCC as a still camera

PostFri Oct 04, 2019 2:42 am

Denny, that Nikon Z6 is sounding like a Swiss Army Knife.


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Re: BMPCC as a still camera

PostFri Oct 04, 2019 5:40 am

Yes, yes it is Rick. It is a video camera, it is a still camera, it is a level and a horizon indicator, it is a poor man’s Gimbal, it is jack of many trades, and a master of none... :roll:
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Re: BMPCC as a still camera

PostFri Oct 04, 2019 3:34 pm

rick.lang wrote:Denny, that Nikon Z6 is sounding like a Swiss Army Knife.


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)) Only a lot of items, Rick, you have mentioned here, that one are able to meet worldwide confirms that this army even exist. So in any case they are selling a lot of unnecessary stocks, much more than any other army of the world.))

The same thing with still BM option. It's not really for any type of photography. This option first is for film making. You are able to check your location/lens/point of shoot/available light. You are able to make notes for camera man. For serious still shooting first you need good optional viewfinder.
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Re: BMPCC as a still camera

PostFri Oct 04, 2019 4:26 pm

Chad Capeland wrote:Picked up a BMPCC6K to see if I could use it as a 24MP still camera.

Some things may be unfixable, like the startup time or the autofocus speed or rotating portraits, but there are some things that might be reasonable QoL fixes for future updates.

  • Option to save stills to SD card and video to CFast. Saving to the CFast is a waste, performance wise, and SD card readers on laptops are common. But the time to change the configuration to record to CFast is too long, so I would miss any video options as the frames drop almost immediately.
  • Option to remap the top record button to stills. Just for digital ergonomics. The front button can stay fixed function.
  • Option for shutter sound. Some click or beep or something to let me know when the shutter released.
  • Viewing of recorded stills.
  • Option to prevent the ISO, iris, etc. from rolling over from the lowest to highest value. I want to spin the wheel on the grip and not worry about watching where it lands. I should know that if I spin it far enough, it will lock, then I can spin it back 3 clicks to the value I want. All without looking.
  • Read the CFast or SD card when connected to computer via USB.


Is this a joke?
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Re: BMPCC as a still camera

PostFri Oct 04, 2019 4:50 pm

Jack of all trades, master of none, but better than a master of one.

Denny Smith wrote:Yes, yes it is Rick. It is a video camera, it is a still camera, it is a level and a horizon indicator, it is a poor man’s Gimbal, it is jack of many trades, and a master of none... :roll:
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Re: BMPCC as a still camera

PostFri Oct 04, 2019 5:13 pm

Right you are Duane!
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Re: BMPCC as a still camera

PostFri Oct 04, 2019 9:20 pm

Que Thompson wrote:
Chad Capeland wrote:Picked up a BMPCC6K to see if I could use it as a 24MP still camera.

Some things may be unfixable, like the startup time or the autofocus speed or rotating portraits, but there are some things that might be reasonable QoL fixes for future updates.

  • Option to save stills to SD card and video to CFast. Saving to the CFast is a waste, performance wise, and SD card readers on laptops are common. But the time to change the configuration to record to CFast is too long, so I would miss any video options as the frames drop almost immediately.
  • Option to remap the top record button to stills. Just for digital ergonomics. The front button can stay fixed function.
  • Option for shutter sound. Some click or beep or something to let me know when the shutter released.
  • Viewing of recorded stills.
  • Option to prevent the ISO, iris, etc. from rolling over from the lowest to highest value. I want to spin the wheel on the grip and not worry about watching where it lands. I should know that if I spin it far enough, it will lock, then I can spin it back 3 clicks to the value I want. All without looking.
  • Read the CFast or SD card when connected to computer via USB.


Is this a joke?


I don't know. I assumed BMD put a button there for a reason.
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Re: BMPCC as a still camera

PostFri Oct 04, 2019 9:46 pm

Denny Smith wrote:Chad, sounds like you hit the wrong camera. The Picket 4/6K are Cinema Video Cameras that can take a single raw frame grab. Your wish list is not likely to happen, misread not physically possible due to the camera design.


I'd still like the option to store that grab on the SD card and be able to view it on the camera. I've never seen a camcorder with a screen that couldn't play back the images it recorded.

Denny Smith wrote:You should look at the new Canon Mirrorless or the Nikon Z6, they can do what you are requesting. ;)


The Z6 can't shoot 21MP images at 50fps continuous. :)

The BMPCC 6K is the closest I've seen to a decent hybrid camera. Sometimes it just isn't practical to carry two cameras everywhere. Most others do a terrible job on one or the other. I know some people bemoan the autofocus, even if they're using it exclusively for video, just because it's a nice option to have.
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Re: BMPCC as a still camera

PostTue Oct 08, 2019 4:39 pm

Right you are there Chad, in it won’t.
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BMPCC as a still camera

PostWed Oct 09, 2019 6:24 pm

I used pocket4k in emergency like photo camera this august, shooting in braw q0. Extracting with resolve braw frame, edit color partially in resolve, export like tug 16bit then -> captureOne.
But...
problem for shooting, problem to see focus, different grip than photo camera
I never suggest it

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Re: BMPCC as a still camera

PostWed Oct 09, 2019 7:09 pm

I often use my Pocket 4K as a stills camera when traveling light. My lenses & filters on the Pocket 4K are typically more versatile & easily controllable compared to my smartphone's camera, and carrying a separate pro "DSLR" plus lenses & accessories adds significant weight.

Certainly, a DSLR & lenses will be far preferable for most photographic stills, but I like being able to record very high-quality video and pretty good stills in one lightweight package.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=97434

Concerning using the Pocket 4K screen in bright environments, I'm looking forward to testing a LeViteZer loupe with my Pocket 4K soon.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=99285

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Pocket 4K images processed in DR16.1b3 and Apple Photos, Olympus 12-40mm f2.8, Hoya Solas 1.2 ND.

"BLM Wild Horses": BRAW, CQ Q0, 4K DCI scaled & cropped in post to 1920x1080 16:9:
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"Fort Rock State Park": BRAW, CQ Q0, 4K DCI scaled & cropped in post to 1920x1080 16:9:
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"John Day Fossil Beds - Blue Basin": BRAW, CQ Q0, 4K DCI scaled & cropped in post to 1920x1080 16:9:
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Re: BMPCC as a still camera

PostWed Oct 09, 2019 9:43 pm

I tried shooting Q0 BRAW with timelapse on, and that was nice. Could basically capture a burst of frames quickly, or just one if I set the interval long enough. Made capture to SD viable (even though I had CFast installed for video).

One odd thing is I kept having to calculate the framerate. Would be nice if the timelapse could just be straight variable framerate instead of thinking "Oh, if I want to shoot 6 frames per second, I can set the record format to 24 and timelapse to every 4th" instead of the timelapse slider just having me set 6 fps.

So maybe it would just be nice to be able to toggle multiple settings with one of the three function buttons at the top. In my case, turn on timelapse and set record target to SD card. Then the switch between modes becomes straightforward.

Peter, those look really nice. Were those DNG's taken with the photo button or were you shooting DNG sequences with the old firmware?
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Re: BMPCC as a still camera

PostThu Oct 10, 2019 1:10 am

Chad Capeland wrote:... Peter, those look really nice. Were those DNG's taken with the photo button or were you shooting DNG sequences with the old firmware?


My Pocket 4K has firmware 6.2.1 installed.

Some of the frames I posted earlier today were "press the STILLS button" DNG files, and some were BRAW Constant Quality Q0 4K DCI time-lapse "video" frames.

However, later today I went back and reviewed my original footage and decided I liked the BRAW time-lapse frames better than the DNG stills. I re-rendered them to 16-bit TIFs (instead of 8-bit PNGs) before compressing them to JPGs. As a result I think they now look cleaner,

I deleted the earlier versions from my post above, uploaded the new renders and labelled them accordingly. Cheers.
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