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Re: List of approved SSDs

PostMon May 28, 2018 1:53 am

The latest list of approved SSD's is in our URSA Mini and URSA Broadcast manuals in the Camera 5.1 update. The Samsung 860 EVO 2TB, 4TB and 860 EVO PRO 2TB & 4TB have been added. These SSD's tested well.

Worth noting that on both of the EVO PRO's we would not recommend lower bitrate recording such as 1080p60 ProRes HQ for long duration recordings of over 20 hours. This is also listed in the 5.1 URSA Mini and URSA Broadcast manuals.
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Re: List of approved SSDs

PostMon May 28, 2018 2:37 am

Hello All! I'm in a serious jam. I've shot some footage using my Blackmagic Production 4k camera. I shot the footage onto 2 Samsung 850 EVO card 500GB. I've used them plenty in the past but now both ssd's are not showing up on my Mac at all when mounted. I used a friends Window PC to see if it is a formatting issue and it's giving me an error saying it "cannot start". I can watch all of the footage in camera. I hope someone can help me since I am on a tight timeline for a client. THANK YOU!
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Re: List of approved SSDs

PostSat Jun 02, 2018 11:21 pm

If the Samsung EVO and PRO from the 860 series are tested good, surely the 1tb version meets all requirements as well? I can’t find anything lower in the specs compared to the 2 and 4tb versions. Any thoughts why it might not work?
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Re: List of approved SSDs

PostWed Jun 13, 2018 5:05 am

Ron Exalto wrote:If the Samsung EVO and PRO from the 860 series are tested good, surely the 1tb version meets all requirements as well? I can’t find anything lower in the specs compared to the 2 and 4tb versions. Any thoughts why it might not work?


Quite curious about this as well. As I personally find 1tb to be the perfect storage size to get.
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Re: List of approved SSDs

PostSun Jul 22, 2018 11:08 pm

I tested two samsung evo 860 512Gb
The both hade frame drops. The maximum it can record is Prores 422 at 1:40:1
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Re: List of approved SSDs

PostMon Aug 20, 2018 1:14 pm

Has anyone tried this setup yet? It requires no external power and most of all you can get a 1tb mSata ssd for like under $300!

I cant post the url for some reason but here is the name:

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Re: List of approved SSDs

PostTue Aug 21, 2018 1:38 pm

TeryWilson wrote:Has anyone tried this setup yet? It requires no external power and most of all you can get a 1tb mSata ssd for like under $300!

I cant post the url for some reason but here is the name:

NKI
SolidPod CFast 2.0 to mSATA SSD for Canon C200 Blackmagic URSA Mini Pro

You cannot post a link as you have not yet reached 10 posts or so.. (Spam robot prevention)
Take a look at this topic.. Widely discussed the last 2 weeks.. https://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=77769
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Re: List of approved SSDs

PostTue Aug 21, 2018 7:59 pm

Ok great, thanks for clarifying
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Re: List of approved SSDs

PostThu Sep 13, 2018 10:56 pm

Will the SanDisk 1TB Extreme Portable USB 3.1 Type-C External SSD work with the Pocket Cinema Camera 4k?
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Re: List of approved SSDs

PostFri Sep 14, 2018 2:17 pm

I wanna know too for the Pocket 4K with the sale going on. Think 250 is worth it?
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Re: List of approved SSDs

PostSat Sep 15, 2018 2:00 am

Chris Chiasson wrote:I wanna know too for the Pocket 4K with the sale going on. Think 250 is worth it?


Pricewise it is the lowest cost storage for raw video.

But will it have any compatibility issues? All the BMD pictures show the Samsung. The SanDisk is a little lighter and has that loop that I think could go around a camera strap.
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Re: List of approved SSDs

PostMon Sep 17, 2018 9:44 pm

8Sinn has of a cage for the Samsung T5, though it isn't yet available for sale on their website.

https://creativityinnovationsuccess.wordpress.com/8sinn_samsung_t5_holder_bmpcc4k_03_1024px_80pc/
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Re: List of approved SSDs

PostTue Sep 25, 2018 10:00 pm

I think the 500GB Samsung T5 at $99 is the lowest SSD you can get right now.. could be wrong.. but having a couple of those around assuming BRAW is on the BMPC4K will result in I think a couple hours of 4K 12-bit RAW at 60fps? Probably depends on 12:1.. not sure what Q0 will require in storage yet. That you can use a SATA-3 to USB-C adaptor to plug in any SSD is very nice too.
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Re: List of approved SSDs

PostWed Sep 26, 2018 6:28 am

DavidNJ wrote:Will the SanDisk 1TB Extreme Portable USB 3.1 Type-C External SSD work with the Pocket Cinema Camera 4k?
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Yeah, I'd love to have a list of supported external SSDs on the new Pocket, too. Too bad that SSD sale is already over.
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Re: List of approved SSDs

PostFri Sep 28, 2018 3:36 am

You can find good prices on lots of SSDs. I still think the Crucial MX-500 series is one of the best deals going. 500GB for $89, 1TB for $169. I cant imagine given it has some of the latest tech in it that it couldnt handle the BM4K output at 4K60 in raw. I find it odd that some SSDs that claim 500MB/s write could not handle the speeds needed for 4K60 raw.
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Re: List of approved SSDs

PostSat Sep 29, 2018 10:43 am

CinemaDNG RAW 4K (4096 x 2160) 60fps will need ~544MB/s datarate according to the BPCC4K charts (30fps x2).

For single SATA6G SSD that will be hard to achieve specially with USB 3.1 gen 2 (10Gbps)->SATA6G controller in the mix, with unnatural queue depth in "test" programs perhaps, but in basic file copy there is 20% penalty in writes (475 -> 375) at least with ASMedia ASM1351 controller with Samsung EVO 860 2TB.

Samsung T5/SanDisk Extreme have ASMedia ASM235CM controller and they seem to have somewhat similar limitation in write speed according to some online reviews.

Then there is the third ASMEdia ASM1352R controller that offers a basic raid options, that should achieve the needed data rate in raid 0 configuration (will report once I get the BPCC4K), but it requires external power (12v 2A).

However I vaguely remember reading months ago in these forums that the BPCC4K has USB 3 gen 1 (5Gbps) USB-C port, that would mean that my single drive enclosure USB -> SATA6G SSD is throttled in that port.
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Re: List of approved SSDs

PostWed Oct 03, 2018 9:20 pm

In a perfect world, 5Gbps will cope with the 4K60p data rates; but as we know, it’s not a perfect world out there. I can understand the urgency to know the limits of the camera. BMD has said they’ll post the approved media for the BMPCC4K shortly. I imagine they will complete their tests this week.


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Re: List of approved SSDs

PostSat Oct 06, 2018 1:53 pm

I just wish we had some comformation by now. So far the T5 is the only drive getting rigs made for it, yet we don’t know if it can handle the highest settings.
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List of approved SSDs

PostSat Oct 06, 2018 2:55 pm

Chris, I’ve sent a note to Wise-Advanced to see when their new Wise Portable SSD USB 3.1 Gen 2 drive will be released (due to be released in October). Their drive is optimized for 4K raw up to 60 fps. The maximum capacity is 1TB.

But I don’t know the specific details. For example i don’t know if they mean raw uncompressed or raw 3:1. I would think it’s raw 3:1 as the rated speed is up to 520MB/s. They may have reached those speeds pushing the data from a Gen 2 port as well. But they do specifically advertise its suitability for the BMPCC4K! That’s why I’m waiting and not biting on the amazingly inexpensive sales currently running for the Samsung T5.

I’m also intrigued by what they’ve done to “optimize” for the BMPCC4K. That might have something to do with tuning their on-board data controller to sync with the way BMD communicates with devices to write records. I hope that’s true.

Personally I can wait as I have two Wise CFast 2 3400x cards and a Wise SDXC UHS II Card. And I won’t be shooting 60p for clients this year AFAIK.

Although we don’t know the timeframe for BRAW on the BMPCC4K, that’s a game changer as I expect BRAW 3:1 4K60p (and possibly Q0) will not be an issue. Your grandmother will be able to record 60p BRAW 12:1 and Q5 while she’s knitting your Christmas stockings!
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Re: List of approved SSDs

PostSat Oct 06, 2018 7:09 pm

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Ya, just saw the Wise solution. I like this one a tad because it doesn’t require a Cage, and just uses hot shoes.
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Re: List of approved SSDs

PostSun Oct 07, 2018 5:43 am

Thanks for posting the pic of the Wise Portable SSD Mount. Looks pretty secure and minimal weight for the device and the holder. The whole idea is they’re trying to obviate the need for having a cage.

I talked to Wise and the new Portable SSD should be available in North America mid-October so that works for me.

Regarding the performance, as I suspected:
“our claim 4K 60p means 4K 3:1 60p [CinemaDNG] since 4K Lossless 60p is too fast to reach by SATA interface.”


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Re: List of approved SSDs

PostMon Oct 08, 2018 9:37 pm

Sorry, can anyone update this list?
Many thanks.
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Re: List of approved SSDs

PostTue Oct 09, 2018 4:28 am

I cant imagine in 2018 that BM would put a USB 3.1 Gen port on the camera.. knowing full well they want it to handle 4K60 RAW.. but BRAW was in the works for years, so perhaps they already knew it would get BRAW soon and Gen 1 port was cheaper/easier to put in.. and should support I would assume 4K60 Q0 right? I still havent found the data rate info on Q0 and how much a 500GB SSD will hold of it.
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Re: List of approved SSDs

PostTue Oct 09, 2018 12:30 pm

Ya, I kinda wish they went with usb 3.2. The speed would match Thunderbolt 2. But I guess they didn’t because nothing uses 3.2 yet.
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Re: List of approved SSDs

PostThu Oct 11, 2018 12:36 pm

I had issues today with the Samsung SSD 850 EVO 500GB. It stopped recording after showing (!) on the record button.
I thought maybe overheating, since i thought this SSD is on the support-list. But there are only the 1TB and the 4TB. Does it really make much of a difference? I am confused.
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Re: List of approved SSDs

PostThu Oct 11, 2018 5:06 pm

Johannes, apparently “size matters” when it comes to SSDs. I found this is true when the internal storage uses flash memory. When I bought my iMac 2017, I was able to see the performance of others’ iMacs that had 256GB or 512GB as I recall. Each increase in size provided better performance. It would also appear to be true of SSDs if your 500GB drive is not on the BMD list, but larger devices from that manufacturer are.
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