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My first shortfilm with the BMPocket

PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 9:59 pm
by Frank Glencairn
Here the flick:


And here is the article I did: http://frankglencairn.wordpress.com/201 ... ch-coffee/

Re: My first shortfilm with the BMPocket

PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 10:35 pm
by Thomas Schumacher
Nice story and actors. Looks absolutely amazing! (besides the fact that I'm no fan of a world made up of blue and orange, but that only occured disturbing to me on the inside)
The audio wasn't as bad as expected after I read your blogpost.

Congrats to everyone involved!

Re: My first shortfilm with the BMPocket

PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 10:50 pm
by Richard Oakes
Looks really nice! Can't Beleive that is the pocket camera!

Re: My first shortfilm with the BMPocket

PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 11:00 pm
by Vincent Rozenberg
Very very nice! I had to watch it twice, because (the good) story and acting distracted me from looking at the actual picture :). One thing I noticed, which I did on some other bmpcc footage as well, was the "smear" I usually see when you shoot (on a conventual eng/video camera) 30 shutter speed. I wonder, what shutter angle was the camera on? I noticed it especially in the beginning, when the girl walked in.

Re: My first shortfilm with the BMPocket

PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 11:03 pm
by Frank Glencairn
180 deg. @ 25fps

Re: My first shortfilm with the BMPocket

PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 11:06 pm
by Jesuan Soriano
Frank all your stuff is always really good. I loved the ending!!! hahaha pretty funny.

But I've seen lots of footage from the pocket and they all look like supershar-video to me...I don't know ...they way it renders movement above all in pannings......it's pretty weird looking to me. But when it's stuck it looks absolutely great.

congrats frank and all the people in the short!!! :)

Re: My first shortfilm with the BMPocket

PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 11:12 pm
by Frank Glencairn
In the original material (not the one ***** by youtube) you can clearly see the difference when using the Speedooster - it's getting super sharp. Need to get me some soft filters, to make it more pleasing.

Re: My first shortfilm with the BMPocket

PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 12:42 am
by Vincent Rozenberg
Frank Glencairn wrote:180 deg. @ 25fps

Thanks. What do you think yourself? When viewing it without the h264/youtube degrade?

Re: My first shortfilm with the BMPocket

PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 3:20 am
by Adrian Young
Great stuff Frank! Awesome to see what the camera is capable of in skilled hands.

Re: My first shortfilm with the BMPocket

PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 4:09 am
by Christian Schmeer
Awesome, looks really nice!

Re: My first shortfilm with the BMPocket

PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:55 am
by popcornflix
Good work!
Lovely to see something with a strong narrative. I'm sick of footage of cars, streetlights and passersby.

Re: My first shortfilm with the BMPocket

PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 6:45 am
by thomas bruegger
very nice! like the boobs (;-).
besides the fact that this little camera looks quiet amazing, i like the way it is filmed, very nice images!

Thomas

Re: My first shortfilm with the BMPocket

PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 7:22 am
by Frank Glencairn
Vincent R. wrote:
Frank Glencairn wrote:180 deg. @ 25fps

Thanks. What do you think yourself? When viewing it without the h264/youtube degrade?


It's not what I'm seeing here.

I will upload a new version soon, since Lee from Ducksound was so nice, and stripped the audio from all the humming fridges and fans for me. Gonna try a different encoding.

Re: My first shortfilm with the BMPocket

PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 7:35 am
by Chris Whitten
Great film.
The audio is a revelation.

Re: My first shortfilm with the BMPocket

PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 8:55 am
by Jace Ross
That's amazing. kudos!

Re: My first shortfilm with the BMPocket

PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 9:21 am
by Ivan Yap
Truly outstanding. Love the color grade.

Re: My first shortfilm with the BMPocket

PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 9:29 am
by Marcel Beck
I'm liking the color, how far did you push the grade?

Great stuff Frank!

Re: My first shortfilm with the BMPocket

PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 1:25 pm
by Jon Braeley
Superb.

Re: My first shortfilm with the BMPocket

PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 3:13 pm
by Tom Fuldner
Stunning.

Many thanks for sharing and inspiring.

Tom

Re: My first shortfilm with the BMPocket

PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 3:18 pm
by bhook
Loved it Frank.

Re: My first shortfilm with the BMPocket

PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 4:02 pm
by matthijsliethof
I am jealous of your knowledge and the journey you made to get there. So yes, I liked it.

Sent from my Android Phone

Re: My first shortfilm with the BMPocket

PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 4:36 pm
by Iver Heen Ask
Well done.

Re: My first shortfilm with the BMPocket

PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:18 pm
by Nick Michael
It looks and sounds fantastic. You mention in your article that you used 2 5-banks and 3 2-banks. Did you completely kill all the pre-existing light inside the station and completely replace it with just those lights? I know that would be the preferred way to do it, but I guess I'm surprised by the notion of being able to replace all that light with a relatively small number of controlled fixtures. Could you tell me what your setup was for the wide shot of the girl approaching the counter? I see practicals in the shot but were they actually providing you with any significant light? Lighting for wider shots is something I struggle with so I'm curious how you did it.

Re: My first shortfilm with the BMPocket

PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:34 pm
by Frank Glencairn
That's just the kit I brought - I don't used all of them all the time of course.
The take of the girl approaching the counter was completely shot with available light, for example

For the closer shots, most of the time I had a 5bank shooting through a 4x4 diffusion, a 2bank with a double net as rim light and an other 2bank with frost or silk as fill. Actually pretty simple.

Outside we used all lights since we had much more space to brighten. A lot of accent lighting - a little fill here a little splash there. You get the idea.
Even a few K of Cycloramas to lighten the buildings in the background or a palm tree.

Re: My first shortfilm with the BMPocket

PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 6:38 pm
by PaulDelVecchio
Frank, when using the Speedbooster, do you see anything weird or unnatural going on with more modern lenses like the Rokinons? Is it something you would recommend? I'm considering an MFT BMCC with a Nikon Speedbooster for all my primes, but everyone has a different story when it comes to what the Speedbooster does to footage.

BTW, this footage looks amazing. Really great work!

Re: My first shortfilm with the BMPocket

PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 7:06 pm
by Frank Glencairn
Not on this shot.

I run into something strange (very foggy bokeh) on my last shot.
I have no idea what's was going on, maybe it was actual condensation in the lens, it was pretty cold and damp and I took the lens from a padded Pelicase, that was sitting in my truck the whole day.

This time I used the same lens (Nikon 50mm 1.4) and had no problem at all.
The Samyangs/Rokinons play nice with the Speedbooster anyway.

The only thing with the speedbooster is, the image gets sharp as hell, so you might want to get some soft filters, if you don't like that harsh look.

Re: My first shortfilm with the BMPocket

PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 8:55 pm
by PaulDelVecchio
Frank Glencairn wrote:Not on this shot.

I run into something strange (very foggy bokeh) on my last shot.
I have no idea what's was going on, maybe it was actual condensation in the lens, it was pretty cold and damp and I took the lens from a padded Pelicase, that was sitting in my truck the whole day.

This time I used the same lens (Nikon 50mm 1.4) and had no problem at all.
The Samyangs/Rokinons play nice with the Speedbooster anyway.

The only thing with the speedbooster is, the image gets sharp as hell, so you might want to get some soft filters, if you don't like that harsh look.


Were they different cameras? BMCC with the foggy Bokeh and the Pocket was clear? I doubt very highly that's the issue. It's probably the condensation. I've had that issue. Hot and humid outside and cold inside. Walk out, the lens fogs and image gets foggy and soft as hell.

I might just go with the MFT and Speedbooster. Sharp doesn't bother me. Maybe it'll sharpen the Rokinons when they're opened wide... maybe not.

Re: My first shortfilm with the BMPocket

PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 9:04 pm
by Frank Glencairn
Don't think it has to do with the cameras ether.
I was not able to reproduce the foggy bokeh a few days later on the MFT.

Re: My first shortfilm with the BMPocket

PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 9:07 pm
by raadgie
Good job! I like your movie.

Also I found some smearing but I do not trust these video-sharing websites as well. Good example are smearing titles at the end.

I dream one day the time will come, when film makers will change the reality and on a tube of toothpaste will written "Intensive TEALning effect" :lol:

Re: My first shortfilm with the BMPocket

PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 9:25 pm
by PaulDelVecchio
I don't agree with the Teal and Orange comments. Just because something is popular doesn't make it wrong. There's a reason why it's popular. It looks good because they are complimentary colors. I don't think every movie needs this, but it looks good because of simple design standards - complimentary colors.

Again, this is to taste. Color is never wrong. It's just what works for the mood and if teal and orange evokes a certain emotion for the movie/scene, then it's the right "design" to use.

Re: My first shortfilm with the BMPocket

PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 9:30 pm
by Manu Gil
Great work Frank. I like.

Re: My first shortfilm with the BMPocket

PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 4:59 am
by CaptainHook
raadgie wrote:I dream one day the time will come, when film makers will change the reality and on a tube of toothpaste will written "Intensive TEALning effect"

Do you want everyone else that likes this look to change their opinion to match yours? If so, why?

--

Nice work as usual Frank. :)

Re: My first shortfilm with the BMPocket

PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 12:15 am
by Frank Glencairn
So here is a little update:

New version with better audio and - because I had a ton of requests for that - a splitscreen version, before and after color grading




Re: My first shortfilm with the BMPocket

PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 9:14 am
by StephenH
Thanks Frank. Great work. Just shows what is possible with the style of camera and some knowledge.

Re: My first shortfilm with the BMPocket

PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:45 am
by Denny Smith
Outstanding Job Frank, I liked the ending, nice story, great shooting.

Re: My first shortfilm with the BMPocket

PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:39 pm
by John Bartman
I presume the anamorphic-wide screen feel was done in post?

Nice stuff, well done, blows the socks of most other PC stuff out there!

Re: My first shortfilm with the BMPocket

PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 5:02 pm
by David Fernandes
Looks great Frank.

1) Nice to see something beyond a test shot or just hanging around town verité type stuff from the bmpcc. It looks great.

2) Nice to see someone actually making films and sharing them on these forums instead of complaining about delivery dates being missed on announced but non-shipping gear.

Good on you.

David.

Re: My first shortfilm with the BMPocket

PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 5:24 pm
by steve connor
Looks fantastic! It's a great example of why some of us put up with delayed deliveries, sketchy communications and the occasional technical problem, when the end result looks like that!

Re: My first shortfilm with the BMPocket

PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:51 pm
by JerryBruck
@ djfern: Could you be overlooking the facts that (a) he received one of these cameras and (b) it turned on when he pushed the ON button?

@Frank Glencairn: Nice movie! As to your sound problems/questions, and since it contains so little dialogue (one of its best features!), why not recall your actors and dub it in? This would give you a whole new horizon of choice & control, and while you're at it, have a go at recreating all the hums, hisses and gargles of the machines tending that garden of junk food, as a complement to your visuals -- recreate, for example, the ways that the accents of room-tone can seem to grow louder, even deafening, inside one's head during a really tense standoff. Just a suggestion.

Re: My first shortfilm with the BMPocket

PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 8:44 pm
by Frank Glencairn
JerryBruck wrote:@Frank Glencairn: Nice movie! As to your sound problems/questions, and since it contains so little dialogue (one of its best features!), why not recall your actors and dub it in?


As you can read on my blog, this was first and foremost a camera test.
Everybody showed up for free, we had zero budget.

So there is no way to call back the actors and have them doing an ADR, we are lucky enough they gave us two nights of their free time.

Mehanwhile we have it fixed in post anyway. Sounds good in my book now.


Re: My first shortfilm with the BMPocket

PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:49 pm
by JerryBruck
Yeah, no it's fine, wasn't meaning to be critical, rather -- responding to your earlier request somewhere for ideas about the sound.

Re: My first shortfilm with the BMPocket

PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 10:21 pm
by Frank Glencairn
No problem Jerry, I was thinking about ADR in the first place, but we just couldn't make it.
Luckily Lee from DuckSound was so nice to clean up the mess for us.
He did a great job, and I masked the rest with some hum we recorded earlier from the machines. Sounds good in my book now.

Re: My first shortfilm with the BMPocket

PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:09 am
by Gan Eden
Nice work frank. Shame you have to look down on the non "professionals". Great community this is.

Re: My first shortfilm with the BMPocket

PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 11:07 am
by Chris Whitten
Gan Eden wrote:Nice work frank. Shame you have to look down on the non "professionals". Great community this is.



Don't spoil one of the few positive threads around here.

Re: My first shortfilm with the BMPocket

PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 3:10 pm
by georgetsirogiannis
Great, great, great cinematography.

I'm also not a fan of teal and orange, but that's because of how much it has been used in action movies, not because it's ugly. Whether we like it or not, it has become a standard that teal and orange fits to action movies. I'd like to see warmer tones overall in this kind of film, maybe. Or something closer to the great cinematography of Martha Macy May Marlene, which gives a more natural coloring without losing the "virtuoso" part of color grading.

But the fact that you took a Pocket Camera and had this result is amazing. Congrats! :)

Re: My first shortfilm with the BMPocket

PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 7:53 am
by Pascal Deshayes
Excellent job, Frank!
And thanks for sharing.

I'd be interested to hear your feeling about using the Pocket in bright sunlight at ISO 800. What type of ND filter would you need in such a situation to shoot at about f4?

Re: My first shortfilm with the BMPocket

PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 12:18 pm
by Manu Gil
Iso 800+180°+sun=F64 / F64-F4= 8Stops

Re: My first shortfilm with the BMPocket

PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 2:07 pm
by Pascal Deshayes
Manu Gil wrote:Iso 800+180°+sun=F64 / F64-F4= 8Stops


thanks for the maths!
8 stops . wow . hopefully my mattebox has 2 filter slots!

Re: My first shortfilm with the BMPocket

PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 2:08 pm
by CaptainHook
I was walking around Sydney yesterday (here for the weekend) with the pocket in REALLY harsh bright sunlight (not a cloud in the sky) and i needed about 4-7 stops to get down to around F1.6-F2 depending on the direction i was facing and what i wanted to keep and not blow out.

Re: My first shortfilm with the BMPocket

PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 2:10 pm
by Pascal Deshayes
Great info - thanks!