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Re: Afterglow

PostWed Aug 22, 2012 4:44 am

Thanks JB for all this :)
Cant open zip 4 as well.
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Re: Afterglow

PostWed Aug 22, 2012 4:48 am

Thanks JB! I am downloading now! Footage looks amazing!
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Re: Afterglow

PostWed Aug 22, 2012 5:12 am

ianim8 wrote:Thanks JB for all this :)
Cant open zip 4 as well.


I'm uploading Shot 4 again. Try again in 15 minutes.
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Re: Afterglow

PostWed Aug 22, 2012 5:33 am

For some reason, I woke up in the middle of the night. What did I do? I checked my iPad, and found this.

What a joy! Downloading RAW now - that will wait 'til tomorrow (well, this morn) for Resolve - but "Afterglow" is beautiful. Kind of an ironic title, as it's really foreplay for most of us!

Thanks to John, Casey, and *all the people at Blackmagic Design* who have been working so hard to bring the camera to us. I'm looking forward so much to delivery, and getting my images out there, too.

How inspiring!

EDIT: Well, I couldn't wait until morning. I dropped footage into Resolve, and indeed - my mind is blown.

What has to be emphasized here is that it's not *just* a camera (as if this could be called "just" a camera) but a *system* of working with the latitude RAW allows for creativity, rescue, transformation of the source material - the combo of the BMC and Resolve would be astonishing for many times the sales price, but at $2,995?

You people are truly changing the world. Thank you, thank you, thank you. When will I sleep?
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Re: Afterglow

PostWed Aug 22, 2012 5:36 am

Well you didn't lie! My Mind IS blown!!!

I no longer worry about Low light or Aliasing!

The bad side is that now I am even MORE excited to get my camera!

This is a really wonderful set of tests shots, Thank you very much for these!

If only my internet was faster.... it's taking me a while to download the raws.....

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Re: Afterglow

PostWed Aug 22, 2012 5:50 am

Really excited to start playing with the RAW footage and see how great it looks. Currently downloading but I'll work on some grades at work tomorrow.

Can't wait to get my hands on this camera!
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Re: Afterglow

PostWed Aug 22, 2012 5:55 am

Tom wrote:Well you didn't lie! My Mind IS blown!!!
I no longer worry about Low light or Aliasing!
The bad side is that now I am even MORE excited to get my camera!
This is a really wonderful set of tests shots, Thank you very much for these!...)


My thoughts exactly!!! This is so far above the h.264 of the DSLR's! I officially declare the DSLR dead! (for video at least) :)
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Re: Afterglow

PostWed Aug 22, 2012 5:57 am

Very excited to have been able to download the footage. I appreciate the tutorial in using the software as well. Thanks.
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Re: Afterglow

PostWed Aug 22, 2012 6:03 am

I cant wait to have mine!!! and share with you guys some materials!!
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Re: Afterglow

PostWed Aug 22, 2012 6:23 am

John,

when I open up a file in photoshop, I see the WB you set, but I also see that you set up a "tint" value too.
Does the camera allows setting up tint - as the Alexa - before recording?
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Re: Afterglow

PostWed Aug 22, 2012 6:39 am

laco wrote:John,

when I open up a file in photoshop, I see the WB you set, but I also see that you set up a "tint" value too.
Does the camera allows setting up tint - as the Alexa - before recording?


No I think that might be a default. You can't set tint in the camera.

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Re: Afterglow

PostWed Aug 22, 2012 6:42 am

Hi John,

Thanks for posting this and of course thanks to BMD for starting this forum so we can all communicate together. Very excited to be in line to receive my Cinema Camera. John, really looking forward to having you with us on stage at the FIfth Annual Amsterdam SuperMeet! For those that are at IBC2012, definitely take a moment to register to attend the Amsterdam SuperMeet which takes place on Sunday, 9 September at the Hotel Krasnapolsky. We have a special promo code - BMDVIP - make sure to enter that promo code when registering to save 5.00 euros - link to register and complete SUperMeet details available at: http://supermeet.com

Again, we're very honored to have you with us on stage, John! And I hope your schedule allows you to come visit Boston in the future and connect with our visual storyteller community here.

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Re: Afterglow

PostWed Aug 22, 2012 6:42 am

Hi,

I just want to thank you John for helping us with the camera as its been going through the development. Its been great having your advice and criticism and its made a better camera for it. It was great seeing the photos of your shoot too, and I did not see that myself yesterday so thats great!

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Re: Afterglow

PostWed Aug 22, 2012 6:45 am

Very gutsy putting up RAW files from an un-released camera, thanks BlackMagic, looking forward to having a play.
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Re: Afterglow

PostWed Aug 22, 2012 6:58 am

great shot! use davinci test! :lol:
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Re: Afterglow

PostWed Aug 22, 2012 7:18 am

Hi,

To answer Jesuan who asked about the rolling shutter and if any post processing has been done on the images. These clips are direct from the camera with no post production or any modification at all. Because they are RAW, then your getting everything direct from the sensor without any processing.

The only thing your seeing if your working on them in Resolve is the header of the files has the white balance info etc so Resolve will setup the look and do the de bayer and color processing for DNG.

But otherwise these files are direct from the camera sensor.

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Re: Afterglow

PostWed Aug 22, 2012 7:20 am

Jesuan wrote:Hi John!!

Totally awesome. It's clean and perfect and very filmic...dying to get mine..
One question. Did you fix rolling shutter in post or is it as it comes out of the camera?? on that steadicam shot looks quite good, I thought it was going to be worse.

Cheers!! BMD FTW!!


There's no fix at all.

This is exactly what was shot, just with a simple grade applied.

The rolling shutter is there if you want to go looking for it, but it rarely gets in the way of getting great images.

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Re: Afterglow

PostWed Aug 22, 2012 7:24 am

Five am in London. Coffee on. Boot up various and sundry Macs. Check ebay, check email, run google search on BMCC. Open Resolve. Get to work. Drink coffee. Drink more coffee. Suffer from pizza hangover. Check email....and abandon all work for the rest of the day.

Thank you Grant Petty, the whole Blackmagic team, and John Brawley.
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Re: Afterglow

PostWed Aug 22, 2012 7:44 am

Grant Petty wrote:Hi,

I just want to thank you John for helping us with the camera as its been going through the development. Its been great having your advice and criticism and its made a better camera for it. It was great seeing the photos of your shoot too, and I did not see that myself yesterday so thats great!

Grant


Thanks for the ride Grant, it's been a total honour and privilege to work with you and the BMD team and to watch the delivery of this new camera and I do feel proud of what we've done !

I hope the OTHER jb would approve.

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Re: Afterglow

PostWed Aug 22, 2012 7:59 am

Thanks so much Blackmagic team, John and his cast and crew for whetting our appetites and delivering such a great product. I can't wait to order mine soon. Cheers!
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Re: Afterglow

PostWed Aug 22, 2012 8:59 am

Cheers guys I'm sold now. These raw files have convinced me to buy the BMCC and a 5d mk3.
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Re: Afterglow

PostWed Aug 22, 2012 9:07 am

Thanks to the whole BlackMagic crew! Can't wait to finally get my baby! :lol:

Thanks John for the DNG!

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Re: Afterglow

PostWed Aug 22, 2012 9:14 am

You say each shot was captured using either a Zeiss Compact Prime or a Canon L lens, but on the BTS photographs the lens mounted on the camera is an Angenieux Optimo...

So what lens was really used on set and why isn't there a single Optimo shot to download?
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HugoBachelet wrote:You say each shot was captured using either a Zeiss Compact Prime or a Canon L lens, but on the BTS photographs the lens mounted on the camera is an Angenieux Optimo...

So what lens was really used on set and why isn't there a single Optimo shot to download?


It's almost like you don't believe what I say !? ;-)

I used all of the lenses mentioned.

The Optimo was used on the wider frames at the beginning of the edit where Casy is playing Pool. I also used this lens on the two steadicam shots. The shots where she has the sparklers were all EF Canon "L" primes. All others were compact primes.

We chose the shots based on what looked good and showed a good range of lighting and exposure situations.

Just for you, here's a shot with a CP on.

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Re: Afterglow

PostWed Aug 22, 2012 9:33 am

My god, the depth of play in the image is incredible. I agree, I don't think I'll ever go back to jpeg again.
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Re: Afterglow

PostWed Aug 22, 2012 9:37 am

Working as a photographer, I'm used to the versatility of digital RAWs and the exposure latitude of film. I am so unbelievably excited to have that same ability within my cinema work now too. Trying very hard to be patient for the day that the box finally rocks up to my door. Have had it on pre-order for a couple months and have already created my whole rig set up.
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PostWed Aug 22, 2012 9:41 am

gingerfinger wrote:Working as a photographer, I'm used to the versatility of digital RAWs and the exposure latitude of film. I am so unbelievably excited to have that same ability within my cinema work now too.

Me too. I wasn't sure they'd pull it off but they have.
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Re: Afterglow

PostWed Aug 22, 2012 9:42 am

No words, this is awesome John :)
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Re: Afterglow

PostWed Aug 22, 2012 9:44 am

All I can say is Bravo to you all.
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Re: Afterglow

PostWed Aug 22, 2012 10:04 am

Whoooo Hooooo !!

Is everything I expected and more....congratulations to BMD and John Brawley, was never in doubt that this camera would be good.....but seriously, this is good.

Put it in a waterproof case, strap it to my chest.....hit the surf on the JetSki and it will make my Go Pro HD look like a kids camera......gotta love it !!!
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PostWed Aug 22, 2012 10:16 am

Thanks JB. I can't wait to try then out.
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Re: Afterglow

PostWed Aug 22, 2012 10:26 am

Extreme beauty. This is all that I can say about the shots.
I'm on a hot tin roof to get mine.
Thanks a million John.
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Wow it looks great.
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Re: Afterglow

PostWed Aug 22, 2012 11:20 am

Very impressing all together!
The video quality is like still photography.
But looking at the PNG's it seems to me that it's hard to find the focus point.
The model never is focused in the face, any options for focus assist?

Keep-up the good work!
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Re: Afterglow

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Wow thanks JB :o
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Re: Afterglow

PostWed Aug 22, 2012 11:59 am

Ramon Coelho wrote:Very impressing all together!
The video quality is like still photography.
But looking at the PNG's it seems to me that it's hard to find the focus point.
The model never is focused in the face, any options for focus assist?

Keep-up the good work!
Ramon.


The camera has a "soft' look, mainly because there is no sharpening or enhancement of the image. Most other dSLR cameras have a sharpening or coring / detail processing step that artificially sharpens the image. You can still do this in post if you like, but you're starting off with what the sensor sees with no sharpening.

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Re: Afterglow

PostWed Aug 22, 2012 12:15 pm

Hi,

Thank for all the kind comments guys and its been a lot of work but its really come along very nicely and having john to assist us has been like having the whole professional Cinematography community helping.

As for the focus, yes there is a help for focusing and by pressing the focus button you can get peaking to help focus the shot. You can also double tap the screen to zoom into the shot so its pixel for pixel on the LCD so you can really see full resolution for adjusting focus.

I am not sure about the shots posted, but there is plenty of shots that are extremely sharp and clean. Very anti aliased and smooth. I am still amazed how the camera handles fine hair detail and textures in dirt and walls etc. Its really quite nice, and even more affordable Canon lenses are very clean and sharp.

We should post some more shots I guess. Give us a few more days.

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PostWed Aug 22, 2012 12:18 pm

Grant, are there any assignable function buttons?
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PostWed Aug 22, 2012 12:45 pm

Grant Petty wrote:I am not sure about the shots posted, but there is plenty of shots that are extremely sharp and clean. Very anti aliased and smooth. I am still amazed how the camera handles fine hair detail and textures in dirt and walls etc. Its really quite nice, and even more affordable Canon lenses are very clean and sharp.

We should post some more shots I guess. Give us a few more days.

Grant


Your obviously really busy, send me a camera and I'll do it for you. ;)
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Re: Afterglow

PostWed Aug 22, 2012 1:47 pm

Hi John:

Brilliant postings over the past few months which is so different from the other maufacturers who are so protective of their technologies that they do not appreciate real-use feedback prior to release. Looking forward to receiving our camera and very curious about the accessory options supporting the BMC: Rigs, batteries, etc.

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Re: Afterglow

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John Brawley wrote:
Jesuan wrote:Hi John!!

Totally awesome. It's clean and perfect and very filmic...dying to get mine..
One question. Did you fix rolling shutter in post or is it as it comes out of the camera?? on that steadicam shot looks quite good, I thought it was going to be worse.

Cheers!! BMD FTW!!


There's no fix at all.

This is exactly what was shot, just with a simple grade applied.

The rolling shutter is there if you want to go looking for it, but it rarely gets in the way of getting great images.

jb



Thanks John, the first thing I did when I watche the edit was looking for RS, and I didn't find it, especially on the steadicam shot where the panning is fast. I see no trouble to this camera, even crop factor doesn't seem to be really hard to avoid. Thanks again.

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Re: Afterglow

PostWed Aug 22, 2012 3:18 pm

Thanks John and Grant!

I'm really impressed with the enthusiasm and support you've
shown toward your products and user base!

That's evidenced by enlisting a top DOP in the development
of the camera and here we have the CEO of a big company
taking the time to answer questions here on the forum.

What you're doing is revolutionary! I'm looking forward to
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Test grade

PostWed Aug 22, 2012 4:22 pm

Hey guys!

First wanted to say a thanks to John for posting all of these clips. It definitely gives us something to have fun with while we wait.

I just got DaVinci 9 Beta and I LOVE it.

Here are some test grades I did real quick. Maybe 10 minutes on each.
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PostWed Aug 22, 2012 4:37 pm

Thank you Blackmagic, thank you John Brawley for all your hard work working the camera up to where it is right now. This is an evolution in film making, it's revolutionary can't believe all our demands of a Raw, Proress 10bit 422HQ Cam have been answered with this camera. Never mind what people said about the internal battery, never mind what they said about the lens mount / crop factor, never mind what they said about the high frame rates to me it's a none factor this is as good as it get's at that price range. The dynamic range, the filmic texture, motion cadence of this camera is simply breathtaking I've worked with Alexa footage before very similar this is a gift. John great footage & your team as well did a wonderful job, all I'm going to say is get ready a storm of orders Blackmagic people are about to jump ship I'm all in!!! bravo guy's well deserve

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Re: Test grade

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Michael Millichamp wrote:Hey guys!

First wanted to say a thanks to John for posting all of these clips. It definitely gives us something to have fun with while we wait.

I just got DaVinci 9 Beta and I LOVE it.

Here are some test grades I did real quick. Maybe 10 minutes on each.


Nice Grade.. What version of Davinci 9 are you using? for some reason Davinci 9b3 my clips turn to green and they disappear when played can't preview clips..
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Re: Afterglow

PostWed Aug 22, 2012 4:49 pm

Congratulations- the RAW data looks excellent. We've been working with RAW stills since 2002 and it's such a godsend to have the control that RAW editing provides in cinematography. Finally.

It's a wild and wooly time- support for RAW editing of stills in 2002 wasn't very good, even by Adobe. Here we are again. They're seriously dropping the ball on support for CinemaDNG in CS6. What's the skinny from Blackmagic's point of view regarding support for CinemaDNG in the CS6 suite? Has Adobe shown any interest in actually supporting this, or are they still dragging their feet? We've tried to install the CS 5/CS 5.5 CinemaDNG importer plugins into CS6, but they don't seem to work. Lightroom is taking the DNGs just fine- we just can't export them in a high bit depth format that CS6 will accept. Such a bummer.

Attached are a couple of grades as a test- the 'as shot' frame on top, a heavy color grade with hue shifts, and a split tone (scroll image or download it to see stacked grading examples). All done in Lightroom and exported as both DNGs and uncompressed TIFF sequences. Now if Adobe would get its act together wrt/CinemaDNG support in CS6...

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Kazuni wrote:Your Twitter and Facebook links are not working!

I'm not sure exactly why, may be a bug in the forum.
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Re: Afterglow

PostWed Aug 22, 2012 5:56 pm

Here's a summary of my graded clips. What a fun activity!

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Re: Afterglow

PostWed Aug 22, 2012 6:01 pm

Thanks John for your efforts, you wrote that the only lighting you used in the Pool Shark shoot is the single Kino Diva set and the practicals in the room, but I see HMI in the AFTERGLOW shoot, so I assume that these two shoots are unrelated.
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