NAB 2024 - predictions?

At least in the states, BMD have carved a big slice of live production of the church world.
There’s plenty of UMBG2’s floating around. They deliver excellent quality and are affordable compared to the competition.

I know, I've got one and love it

I honestly don’t know what they could improve on in the broadcast camera field??

As good as it is, it may not be totally suitable for some high end broadcast, such as sport, where rolling shutter is an absolute no-no. I know there has been a reluctance to buy in bulk for this reason amongst others by major broadcasters. It also requires an OLPF for serious broadcast work. That can be easily user sorted, as I have done, though. For most other work such as Arts and history documentaries it's a lovely camera and I don't know why it's not used more; to me having a much nicer image than the Sony's I was used to. As I said for church, events and corporate the above limitations don't matter.

ARRI Alexa 35 Live Multicam announced. It seems ARRI will be a competitor for the traditional broadcast manufacturers and BMD Broadcast ecosystem. Will be interesting to see what BMD will reveal in two days and two hours.

So if ARRI is making a journey into some BMD territory - BMD could retaliate with a Ursa Cinema 12k LF with direct to cloud.

I think the ARRI Alexa 35 Live will be exclusive for high end broadcast. Like the NFL, high end concerts like Taylor Swift, and such. It’s not going to be affordable for various services like churches, conferences, smaller concert/music venues, etc. It’s going to be too pricey.

So Blackmagic has a nice place to provide an affordable option. I’m at least looking forward to seeing the Broadcast G3 with L Mount and Autofocus for L Mount Lenses. I use Sigma E Mount on my Sony for stills, and occasionally use it for lower budget talking heads. Autofocus works great, and that same autofocus available for the L Mount version of the glass. So, Blackmagic just had to get that going and the Broadcast G2 could carve a nice place out.


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MultiDyne has been making fiber backs for Arri for a decade or so. The Arris use a lite version of Sony’s RCP protocol. Arri might finally decide to provide an end to end solution but it’s nothing new.

Good Luck

I’m at least looking forward to seeing the Broadcast G3 with L Mount and Autofocus for L Mount Lenses. I use Sigma E Mount on my Sony for stills, and occasionally use it for lower budget talking heads. Autofocus works great, and that same autofocus available for the L Mount version of the glass. So, Blackmagic just had to get that going and the Broadcast G2 could carve a nice place out.

Autofocus and L mounts and big sensors, are not necessarily required or being called for in broadcast, Tim. B4 Eng lenses still rule the day; shallow depth of field is the enemy of much live events too, despite the 'cinematic' forays of some US sports broadcasters. B4 lenses have a huge range, particularly the box ones. The UBG2 is a remarkable camera at it's price point - a fraction of the Sony ENG 4Ks; versatile and almost complete. A better low RS sensor and an OLPF are all that is required, in my view, for a 'G3', to get it to be taken more seriously amongst broadcasters; and keep the price point somewhere near BMD-like.

As Howard points out Arri Amiras have been able to be equipped for fibre multicam for some time. They also can take B4s, Arri make an adaptor. The Amira's Alev III sensor is a bit long in the tooth now and doesn't make muster for tier 1 broadcast. So that's where they may go; but it'll be pricey and it's a different sector than BMD - they're not really competing against each other anymore than the Alexa is competing with the Ursas

Another new teaser image...

Another new teaser image...

I chose to believe that this image is to showcase dynamic range.

Looking forward to pulling the BRAW sample footage into Resolve this weekend. If this is untouched and taken without bounce on the subject to illustrate HDR… impressive detail in the shadows of that silhouette.

I chose to believe that this image is to showcase dynamic range.

Yes, dynamic range and the classic anamorphic barrel distortion in the image is to illustrate full-frame, open gate anamorphic support. Let's hope it has fast sensor read-out and ability to record ProRes.

Is that the sensor pattern you can see in the darker areas? If so, I assume this image is quite cropped. But then again the barrel distorsion looks like it's the whole image. Interesting.

I cannot believe that it's not the same full frame sensor that's in the cinema camera 6k. I wonder if that means it has all of the same problems that one has and it's the form factor that's different.

I cannot believe that it's not the same full frame sensor that's in the cinema camera 6k. I wonder if that means it has all of the same problems that one has and it's the form factor that's different.

I really hope the 6k FF sensor stays with that body and that BMD utilizes something else in a larger body.
There’s already limitations on it and if they just slap this sensor in an L mount UMP body, I don’t know how it will sell…

I'm probably in the minority but I'd prefer a s35 sensor for several reasons.

New sensor 8k full frame and new body

8k Global Shutter, would be insane. Since they have 8k switchers, I could see them implementing them in broadcast cameras and utilize 4k crop for B4 lenses. But we really don't care about broadcast, right? haha.

we all have our wishlists, but man...

15+ stops of DR
Global shutter, or something really close to
built in NDs
6k or 8k sensor
integrated V Mount
two SDI ports
Lemo power output
L Mount or PL/EF mount

blah blah blah.... we have a little over one day to find out how frustrated we will all be! We'll either be underwhelmed or annoyed that it wasn't what we wanted, haha. I have high hopes and... I'll be honest, I'll probably get whatever comes out.

Another new teaser image...

I chose to believe that this image is to showcase dynamic range.

+1

So now we are close.
High DR
High Res, 12K for sure.
Sensor in LF
Cine, no pocket, studio, broadcast or mini.

And a very organic emulsion looking grain.
Resolve or direct textures à la Arri?

Someone on r/blackmagicdesign is claiming there are posters suggesting Resolve 19 and a new Ursa on a hotel in Vegas. No photos provided, though, so who knows if it's true.

That was always a thing on the bmcuser forum, people posting the banner pictures before the opening.

That was always a thing on the bmcuser forum, people posting the banner pictures before the opening.

I miss that place

Could be just Gen 6 colour science

Could be just Gen 6 colour science

haha, wouldn't that be something, haha

I have to assume that if they release a new body design, it will inevitably be more expensive at first.
Take the 12k for example. It was priced near $10k and then they lowered it to around $6k because it was now more affordable for them to manufacture it.

I'm not sure I agree. The 12K had the same body as the 4.6K which was released in 2016. So body R&D had no influence on the price drop.

I assume it just didn't sell well at $10K.

I think they were referring to the cost of manufacturing the 12k in house sensor.

I'm probably in the minority but I'd prefer a s35 sensor for several reasons.

Same here.

I have to assume that if they release a new body design, it will inevitably be more expensive at first.
Take the 12k for example. It was priced near $10k and then they lowered it to around $6k because it was now more affordable for them to manufacture it.

I'm not sure I agree. The 12K had the same body as the 4.6K which was released in 2016. So body R&D had no influence on the price drop.

I assume it just didn't sell well at $10K.

I think they were referring to the cost of manufacturing the 12k in house sensor.

Correct.

JB

Correct.
JB

You can't come here and just comment with "correct".
You have to provide more clues for us to hypothesize until tomorrow.

Spectacular dynamic range on that latest teaser image. Shooting into the sun but still retaining detail even in some of the darker extremities of the image is impressive. The highlight roll off looks quite creamy too.

As for the "noise", or perceived noise anyway, I have a hard time believing BM would tease their next camera with the footage stretched to breaking point like that. Think those who've assumed it was a combination of a grain texture and just image compression on the still are probably right. It doesn't quite look like digital noise to my eye, anyway.

I've also played around with BMCC6K footage a lot recently too, and I think this is a different sensor based on some of the results I've had. Could be wrong, but I don't think it's got the dynamic range displayed here.

Another new teaser image...

Sure looks like a 2/3” broadcast camera to me. Look at the CA on the highlight from the lens

I think its possible that BMD will begin transitioning their sensors over to 4:3 or 3:2 format. Perhaps the Pocket Cameras will keep the 16:9 format but I can see the cinema line becoming oriented to anamorphic, whether S35 or VistaVision. I personally hope they keep both formats, since I'm a s35 lover.

Blackmagic to announce they have bought IMAX and are releasing the URSA IMAX film camera.

Seriously though whatever they release some people won’t be happy!

My only hope is that Resolve 19 will no longer require high end cpu and gpu… that it can run efficiently and effectively on an i5 processor and intel’s integrated gpu on the core or the discrete A770 intel discrete gpu without any issues and supports all DVR studio capabilities. That will not only bring cost down but for Blackmagic, a whole lot of new markets. I want to use Resolve on a mini desktop PC like a NUC that are not electricity hogs.

My prediction….

A new body, so that means a new cinema line.

BMD will focus more on Dynamic Range 16-19stops (go big or go home lol).

14-16 Bit

Full frame (based off of the Ursa 12k sensor). Even if stitching 2, 12k sensors makes a 16-17k sensor option, I don’t believe BMD will go in this direction.
They’ll just allow us to film maybe in 14k.

8-10 stops of ND. OLPF included. Gyro data info. Lemo ports. HDMI along with standard 2 SDI outs. CFexpress (2 slots), USB-C option.

A new Video Assist that can control ALL BMD cameras through bluetooth. & wireless live feed option.

I can only hope they'll be an upgrade option

Looking forward to pulling the BRAW sample footage into Resolve this weekend. If this is untouched and taken without bounce on the subject to illustrate HDR… impressive detail in the shadows of that silhouette.

Nah...

Has to be some bounce. But I do believe its a raw Braw image.

Blackmagic are finally gonna release the Blackmagic Tik Tok Cine Camera 24K

It only shoots 15second vertical video in Full Frame Vista Vision 24K resolution, but automatically downscales in-camera to 360p.

Davinci Resolve 19 is renamed ´Insta Filters 19´.

I chose to believe that this image is to showcase dynamic range.

Yes, dynamic range and the classic anamorphic barrel distortion in the image is to illustrate full-frame, open gate anamorphic support. Let's hope it has fast sensor read-out and ability to record ProRes.

I believe the Ursa 12k, in 8k has a read out of 7.8

So anything at or below that is great. & you'll be able to record ProRes through the Video assist & dont forget about proxies & cloud options.

I want to use Resolve on a mini desktop PC like a NUC that are not electricity hogs.

That's coming, with DaVinci Resolve supporting Windows ARM. So it won't be Intel but ARM chip manufacturers like Qualcomm with the SnapDragon.

All I want is to know why the copy writer for BMD's website is always screaming.

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Seriously, though—I'm excited to see what's in store tomorrow. As much as I love our 12K, I'd prefer if it had a better monitor (or at least up-to-date firmware to calibrate it), L-mount, CFexpress, and just a little more dynamic range. A slightly smaller body would be wonderful, too. And, of course, that amazing sensor and OLPF. Maybe remove the 12K from the body and don't focus so much on the Ks.

I was one of the early adopters of the 12K at $10K and, while it did sting a bit to see it slashed by 40% soon after its release, the camera paid for itself many, many, times over, so I'd probably do it again.

Another new teaser image...

Sure looks like a 2/3” broadcast camera to me. Look at the CA on the highlight from the lens

That would be the smartest decision regarding the “studio/broadcast” line since it’s inception.

P.S. A 4Kx4K sensor that could shoot horizontal or vertical would actually be a huge help in the world of Imag, often the side screens are 3:4 or 9:16 as featured in the removed countdown PS graphic.

Good Luck

Given that Resolve doesn’t have a software render pipeline I think it’s very unlikely that they’ll have a Resolve that runs well without a GPU. Unless those were the marching orders and that’s about all we’ll see from 19.

But I really don’t think that’s what we’ll be seeing.

Not sure if that was in response to my Snapdragon comment but DaVinci Resolve running natively on Windows ARM was announced at the Qualcomm Snapdragon Summit in October last year. It's not a "no" GPU but an integrated one. Snapdragon X Elite for example.

It wasn’t a direct comment about your post but rather to Ellory’s. Apple Silicon is an ARM-based design and its integrated GPU is clearly strong enough to make Resolve sing. It’s also very efficient power-wise. But I wouldn’t call it a low-end processor.

I’m mostly saying that I wouldn’t expect a Resolve 19 that’s going to work well on low end PCs that can barely run Resolve 18.

Y’all might want to do some Facebook perusing right now

“Ursa Cine”

Y’all might want to do some Facebook perusing right now

Where exactly? It's almost impossible to find anything on Facebook these days.

If that is an antenna on the back (and I realize that's a major if), is some sort of wireless video transmission going to be built in?

However when I used DuckDuckGo to show me URSA Cine it was all about the URSA Mini 12K and URSA Mini Pro G2.

I don’t do Facebook anymore but I appreciate what anyone cares to show. Hope we sleep better tonight.

Resolve 19 Tease

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That's the only image I've been able to find on Facebook teasing Resolve 19. So we know for sure it will be called 19. That wasn't a surprise.

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That's the only image I've been able to find on Facebook teasing Resolve 19. So we know for sure it will be called 19. That wasn't a surprise.

I think they are referencing this




Whether it's real or not, I don't know...

I see what looks to be a full frame sensor, on an ursa body but the rear seems to have an integrated antenna.

The "introducing" text looks a little funny though and unless it's called the Ursa Cine then I'm not sure why they'd cut the name off. Though to be fair everyone rags on them about naming their cameras so perhaps they'd just said FINE! This is simply the Ursa Cine.

Wohoo.
So Ursa Cine 12k LF.