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Re: SSD Options

PostMon Oct 15, 2012 6:50 am

Marco Solorio wrote:Bill, I agree with Rick. The larger 480GB drive (like most SSDs) have faster read/write times. I have no experience with anything less than 480GB on the SanDisk. Personally, I wouldn't take a chance. What happens if you drop frames on the "perfect shot" that you can't recreate? Personally, it's not worth it to me. The 480GB SanDisk Extreme SSDs have been 100% solid: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=230&start=30#p9267


Actually the 240GB is faster than the 480GB - at least on the SanDisc spec sheet.

Write: 520 vs 480 - read: 550 vs 540

Real world speed may be different though.

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Re: SSD Options

PostMon Oct 15, 2012 1:58 pm

Frank Glencairn wrote:
Marco Solorio wrote:Bill, I agree with Rick. The larger 480GB drive (like most SSDs) have faster read/write times. I have no experience with anything less than 480GB on the SanDisk. Personally, I wouldn't take a chance. What happens if you drop frames on the "perfect shot" that you can't recreate? Personally, it's not worth it to me. The 480GB SanDisk Extreme SSDs have been 100% solid: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=230&start=30#p9267


Actually the 240GB is faster than the 480GB - at least on the SanDisc spec sheet.

Write: 520 vs 480 - read: 550 vs 540

Real world speed may be different though.

http://www.sandisk.de/products/solid-st ... tate-drive

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Frank, you may be right that the 240GB SSD is better, but BMD have said that larger SSDs tend to perform better than smaller SSDs. Following the manufacturers' specs is normally the way we've judged drive performance. However, there's no consistent way the various SSDs are tested across manufacturers and, who knows, for a given manufacturer's product line. The way SSD data is written varies with their internal controllers and firmware revisions. Until there's a standard test adopted and that test applies to the long-duration streaming nature required by the BMCC, they're not reliable gauges of performance for our purposes.

SSDs using MLC (multi-level cell recording) may perform significantly slower when they reach half their capacity for example. That's totally unlike the HDD, to which we are accustomed, that writes/reads much more consistently and predictably whether new or old, empty or nearly full. So this is one time you can ignore the specs or at least understand that real-world use/performance trumps published specs. We may put our trust in the BMD Speed Test results, but personally, I'd trust Marco's endorsement because 1) he's used drives that fail to measure up and 2) he's used drives that have performed flawlessly.

The major reason I'm also interested in the new Plextor M5 Pro is that I trust Plextor will deliver an honest 'professional' product and not practice intentionally deceptive performance characteristics that are irrelevant to our camera needs. Still I wouldn't assume those new SSDs work either until we see the evidence.
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Re: SSD Options

PostMon Oct 15, 2012 9:48 pm

I went ahead and cancelled my SSD order for now.. when I get the shipping notice for the camera I'll check this forum again before placing an order.. I'll most likely go with the Sandisk Extreme 480gb since it's tried and true.. then as I find a need for more SSD's I'll check the latest info and order accordingly..
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Re: SSD Options

PostMon Oct 15, 2012 10:26 pm

Good thread.

Keep sharing those SSD experiences.
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Re: SSD Options

PostMon Jan 14, 2013 8:14 pm

I went ahead and bought two OCZ Vertex 4 512 SATA 3 drives. I'd love to hear confirmation that these are going to work for 2.5 K capture... please could you let me know.

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PostMon Jan 14, 2013 11:25 pm

I have 2 Crucial m4 256GB SSDs and while I haven't shot that much, they haven't dropped any frames. The write speed is about 165mb/s which exceeds the requirements. I'm not sure they're on the list but AVTech has them listed as "BMD authorised".
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Re: SSD Options

PostTue Jan 15, 2013 5:57 am

Anybody have any experience with the Intel SSDs? I just ordered one. Camera and SSD both arrive tomorrow. I guess I'll see, huh?
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Re: SSD Options

PostTue Jan 15, 2013 8:24 am

The Intel 335 and 520 series SSDs have been working nicely for us. The 240GB versions have been added to the recommended SSD list on the site already, and the 520 480GB has also been working flawlessly, and I think it will be added to the list too.
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Re: SSD Options

PostTue Jan 15, 2013 8:41 am

I know it´s not on the supported list but I have successfully used a Samsung 840 500GB. No drop frames, I have shot until the drive was full.
Maybe just luck :lol:
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Re: SSD Options

PostFri Jan 25, 2013 9:18 pm

Been using this on my BMCC so far - 256GB Samsung 830 series SATA 6gb/s (No problems thus far with 2.5k or ProRes Footage)
After reading this thread I bought the 240GB SanDisk Extreme SATA 6gb/s to try based on Marco's review. Ill post the results here when I shoot with it.
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Re: SSD Options

PostThu Jan 31, 2013 5:06 pm

Had a test shoot today with the Vertex 4 128GB drives, disaster, dropped frames all the time. Not sure if the bigger drives will be better
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Re: SSD Options

PostThu Jan 31, 2013 6:13 pm

I have a kingston ssdnow v+200 120gb and goes fine... well just tested 4 minutes in 2,5k... i will test it hard
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Re: SSD Options

PostFri Feb 01, 2013 1:46 pm

Hi Frank.
My camera is shipped and get it next week.
Can you please confirm that sandisk 240 GB is working well with this camera
I want to order 240 GB SSD and read some info that the kingston is getting hot.
And can you also give me the exact model of the SSD you using from sandisk

Thanks !
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Re: SSD Options

PostFri Feb 01, 2013 6:04 pm

Hey all,

I'm having issues with my new bought ssd OCZ 256go vertex 3. The camera doesn't recognize it, when i plug the ssd, it is still written "no ssd"... I read the documentation, they said to format the ssd but i have nothing to plug it to my imac : /


What to do?
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Re: SSD Options

PostFri Feb 01, 2013 8:29 pm

ArakAttack wrote:Hey all,

I'm having issues with my new bought ssd OCZ 256go vertex 3. The camera doesn't recognize it, when i plug the ssd, it is still written "no ssd"... I read the documentation, they said to format the ssd but i have nothing to plug it to my imac : /


What to do?


Do you have a cage for 2,5HDD? usb 2 or 3?
you can plug your ssd in that cage and connect it to yor mac to format it

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Re: SSD Options

PostFri Feb 01, 2013 10:28 pm

maccane wrote:Hi Frank.
My camera is shipped and get it next week.
Can you please confirm that sandisk 240 GB is working well with this camera
I want to order 240 GB SSD and read some info that the kingston is getting hot.
And can you also give me the exact model of the SSD you using from sandisk

Thanks !


I have 4 of them and they work just fine so far. No dropped frames no hick-ups.

Sandisk G25-G3 Extreme SSD 2,5" 240 GB SATA 600, SDSSDX-240G-G25
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Re: SSD Options

PostFri Feb 22, 2013 5:20 pm

Frank Glencairn wrote:
maccane wrote:Hi Frank.
My camera is shipped and get it next week.
Can you please confirm that sandisk 240 GB is working well with this camera
I want to order 240 GB SSD and read some info that the kingston is getting hot.
And can you also give me the exact model of the SSD you using from sandisk

Thanks !


I have 4 of them and they work just fine so far. No dropped frames no hick-ups.

Sandisk G25-G3 Extreme SSD 2,5" 240 GB SATA 600, SDSSDX-240G-G25


Frank, are your ssds still working fine? cos mine two weeks ago started to drop frames (lots) and its certified... now i must buy another one...
THe scandisk Extreme 240 has good price but i dont want to have another paperweight....

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PostFri Feb 22, 2013 5:27 pm

Gentlemen, there have been some recent developments that Blackmagic, and the rest of you might not be aware of. Intel has just come out with a new line of enterprise SSD, whose sole purpose is to have consistent disk performance under constant load. That means house cleaning happens in real time ALL THE TIME resulting in the drives ability to handle loads non stop.

Its called the intel DC 3700 series. And for the brave here (nerds), you can look at Anandtechs' thorough analysis.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6433/intel-ssd-dc-s3700-200gb-review

NONE of the Blackmagic certified SSD's including the older Intel SSD's have the performance capability of this new drive.

Just for clarification, where other drives slow down after all their cells have been initially written to, this drive keeps on blazing. The older drives need to have a "trim" command (garbage cleaning) executed regularly, and the BMCC likely does not give the drive trim commands. The Intel DC 3700 needs no trim command.

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PostSat Feb 23, 2013 1:47 am

i am the one wrote:Gentlemen, there have been some recent developments that Blackmagic, and the rest of you might not be aware of. Intel has just come out with a new line of enterprise SSD, whose sole purpose is to have consistent disk performance under constant load. That means house cleaning happens in real time ALL THE TIME resulting in the drives ability to handle loads non stop.

Its called the intel DC 3700 series. And for the brave here (nerds), you can look at Anandtechs' thorough analysis.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6433/intel-ssd-dc-s3700-200gb-review

NONE of the Blackmagic certified SSD's including the older Intel SSD's have the performance capability of this new drive.

Just for clarification, where other drives slow down after all their cells have been initially written to, this drive keeps on blazing. The older drives need to have a "trim" command (garbage cleaning) executed regularly, and the BMCC likely does not give the drive trim commands. The Intel DC 3700 needs no trim command.

Questions?


Interesting. Unfortunately 400GB is $1000, although perhaps this is cheaper in the long run.
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Re: SSD Options

PostSun Feb 24, 2013 4:05 am

I've been using two Intel 320 series 300GB drives. Just run a test: I could record 30fps raw until the disk filled up without problem. And the drives aren't even new - I bought them in 2011 and one used to be in my laptop.
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Re: SSD Options

PostTue Feb 26, 2013 3:26 pm

After +/- 50 shots since i did the trim operation, today the certifies SSD failed again, records 10 seconds 24fps and then starts dropping frames

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PostTue Feb 26, 2013 3:29 pm

Albert N. Romero wrote:After +/- 50 shots since i did the trim operation, today the certifies SSD failed again, records 10 seconds 24fps and then starts dropping frames

I would try a different SSD.
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Re: SSD Options

PostTue Feb 26, 2013 6:28 pm

While it may not bother some people...the Intel DC3700 is designed for enterprise use and sucks a LOT of power.

So if battery life is a concern for you, you may wish to avoid that particular SSD.

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PostTue Feb 26, 2013 6:35 pm

sean mclennan wrote:While it may not bother some people...the Intel DC3700 is designed for enterprise use and sucks a LOT of power.

So if battery life is a concern for you, you may wish to avoid that particular SSD.

Hang on there skippy. The average SSD consumes ~3 watts when writing sequentially and the Intel DC3700 consumes 4 watts.

You're going to tell me that extra watt is going to decimate your battery life?
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Re: SSD Options

PostTue Feb 26, 2013 7:12 pm

The latest information regarding supported SSDs doesn't include any Samsung drives which is a shame considering B&H is selling 500 GB 840 series Samsung SSDs for $280 right now!! That comes to $0.56/GB, almost half the going rate of average SSDs! It may not be able to handle RAW but does anybody have any experience using this drive with ProRes?

500 GB would be perfect for shooting a lengthy event in which you there isn't a break to swap drives. If this is good for ProRes, it may be the only drive I would need for most shoots.

Has anyone tried any of the Samsung 840 series drives? Please note that these are not the same as the Samsung 840 PRO SSDs which I believe are higher performance.
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Re: SSD Options

PostTue Feb 26, 2013 7:37 pm

i am the one wrote:
sean mclennan wrote:While it may not bother some people...the Intel DC3700 is designed for enterprise use and sucks a LOT of power.

So if battery life is a concern for you, you may wish to avoid that particular SSD.

Hang on there skippy. The average SSD consumes ~3 watts when writing sequentially and the Intel DC3700 consumes 4 watts.

You're going to tell me that extra watt is going to decimate your battery life?


Your posts are always helpful and Informative but please don't oversell the impressive Intel product. The 800GB DC S3700 draws about 8 watts. BMD has told us the camera typically draws about 18 watts total and people think of that figure when calculating the time a battery will last. Smaller SSDs draw less power. Perhaps Sean had the largest SSD in mind. And his name is Sean, not "skippy".

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PostTue Feb 26, 2013 8:05 pm

rick.lang wrote:Your posts are always helpful and Informative but please don't oversell the impressive Intel product. The 800GB DC S3700 draws about 8 watts. BMD has told us the camera typically draws about 18 watts total and people think of that figure when calculating the time a battery will last. Smaller SSDs draw less power. Perhaps Sean had the largest SSD in mind. And his name is Sean, not "skippy".

Rick Lang

So take the additional draw into account and move on or just use a smaller SSD. I'm so sorry you find the colloquialism "Skippy" offensive as its one of my favorite socially accepted epithets. I'll be sure to keep that one under my hat from now on. Ok Skippy Rick? :)
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Re: SSD Options

PostTue Feb 26, 2013 8:31 pm

The point...I guess I'll use Skippy since you're not using your name on here...is that these drives are not designed for portable, low-powered devices. Enterprise drives have very different requirements than laptop or recorder drives. So while the spec sheet might look impressive, it's not a perfect fit.

Neither is the price tag quite frankly.

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PostTue Feb 26, 2013 8:48 pm

sean mclennan wrote:The point...I guess I'll use Skippy since you're not using your name on here...is that these drives are not designed for portable, low-powered devices. Enterprise drives have very different requirements than laptop or recorder drives. So while the spec sheet might look impressive, it's not a perfect fit.

Neither is the price tag quite frankly.

Its a choice, and there are very few. Use a windows system for SSD interactions. Use the DC 3700. Or jump through a maze of hoops on the Mac.

Considering the price premium of Mac hardware, I don't think the the DC 3700's can be considered "pricey". :)

I'll just call you Sean unless you tell me your favorite nickname....
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Re: SSD Options

PostTue Feb 26, 2013 9:45 pm

Can we please get some other Sandisk 240GB users to speak up about experiences?

I've only use the OCZ Vertex 3 256 and Sandisk 240GB Extreme SSDs on the camera.

In the case of the OCZ Vertex drives I didn't have an issue with consistent usage, but I believe someone reported drive failure at one point.

As far as the Sandisk 240GBs, John Brawley, Myself, and a multitude of others are using them and I have yet to hear one single off report about them. They also are not on the official list, and there must be a reason for that.

Has anyone had a bad or strange experience?

I've never done a trim function, I erase the drives in Disk Utility (Mac), rename, shoot. Have pulled down quite a bit of RAW and ProRes, never a dropped frame.

I also use USB3.0 as the interface between computer and SSD if that makes any difference.
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Re: SSD Options

PostFri Mar 01, 2013 4:24 pm

Kholi wrote:Can we please get some other Sandisk 240GB users to speak up about experiences?

I've only use the OCZ Vertex 3 256 and Sandisk 240GB Extreme SSDs on the camera.

In the case of the OCZ Vertex drives I didn't have an issue with consistent usage, but I believe someone reported drive failure at one point.

As far as the Sandisk 240GBs, John Brawley, Myself, and a multitude of others are using them and I have yet to hear one single off report about them. They also are not on the official list, and there must be a reason for that.

Has anyone had a bad or strange experience?

I've never done a trim function, I erase the drives in Disk Utility (Mac), rename, shoot. Have pulled down quite a bit of RAW and ProRes, never a dropped frame.

I also use USB3.0 as the interface between computer and SSD if that makes any difference.


Frank Glencairn wrote:I have 4 of them and they work just fine so far. No dropped frames no hick-ups.

Sandisk G25-G3 Extreme SSD 2,5" 240 GB SATA 600, SDSSDX-240G-G25


Yesterday i bought that one, the Sandisk Extreme 240GBs (i had the Kingston SSDNOW V200+ before this and... dropped frames) and well, i was shoting so many gbs with again and again and no drop frames now... lets hope that continues...
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Re: SSD Options

PostSun Mar 17, 2013 5:58 pm

Just curious (I know it's not on the list but I bought this SSD Long before I got my camera) has anyone used the 120GB OCZ Vertex 4? Any problems with it? Also has anyone figured out what the estimated time per GB is for both Pro-res and RAW?
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PostMon Mar 18, 2013 10:48 am

just forget the OCZs ..... :evil:
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PostMon Mar 18, 2013 2:09 pm

we use 3 of the OCZ Vertex 3 - now since 4 weeks, on a every day basis. So far everything works completely fine. No dropped frames, no other problems.
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PostTue Mar 19, 2013 10:56 am

can tell you, you're extremly lucky! We had all sort of problems with them ...
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MIDDLEEASTMAMBO wrote:we use 3 of the OCZ Vertex 3 - now since 4 weeks, on a every day basis. So far everything works completely fine. No dropped frames, no other problems.




Under what conditions have you used the Vertex SSDs, ProRes or Raw? What capacity drives are they? Do you completely reformat each drive before using on the next shoot?
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PostTue Mar 19, 2013 1:34 pm

ckmayeux wrote:
MIDDLEEASTMAMBO wrote:we use 3 of the OCZ Vertex 3 - now since 4 weeks, on a every day basis. So far everything works completely fine. No dropped frames, no other problems.




Under what conditions have you used the Vertex SSDs, ProRes or Raw? What capacity drives are they? Do you completely reformat each drive before using on the next shoot?



We used them as well for RAW and DNxHD capture. And they are the 240GB model. Even just "deleting" the files works fine - we only reformatted them about every 5th. time. So maybe we are just very lucky and got some good ones... If I would be you I would still be careful to buy them since other users reporting horrible stories about them.
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Re: SSD Options

PostWed Mar 20, 2013 12:57 am

So what's the best one to buy? I'm looking to get either two 120gb SSD's or two around the 240GB or 250GB range.... Also has anyone heard anything about these guys?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 147186-L0D
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PostWed Mar 20, 2013 5:12 am

Justindfox wrote:So what's the best one to buy? I'm looking to get either two 120gb SSD's or two around the 240GB or 250GB range.... Also has anyone heard anything about these guys?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 147186-L0D


last I heard about the samsung drives is that they are thinner (7mm) than regular 2.5" SSD's (9mm) so they tend to move around (not good) unless you use a spacer.

Best reviewed drives are the SanDisk Extreme's have yet to hear a bad thing about them.
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