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Favorite on-site SSD reader?

PostTue Jul 15, 2014 7:24 pm

I'm looking at picking up one of these for my DIT kit:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=8209822&SRCCODE=WEBGOOPA
Does anyone have experience with this? What's your favorite (portable) reader for SSDs when running high-data shoots?

I used to have the dual toasters, but they were bulky and required extra outlets. This one looks like it is powered off of the USB bus.
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Re: Favorite on-site SSD reader?

PostTue Jul 15, 2014 9:30 pm

I use one of these for offloading my footage. It does everything I need and fits in my backpack :)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B005C983NA/ref=mp_s_a_1_6?qid=1405459542&sr=8-6&pi=AC_SX110_SY165_QL70
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Re: Favorite on-site SSD reader?

PostTue Jul 15, 2014 9:35 pm

Timothy Montoya wrote:I use one of these for offloading my footage. It does everything I need and fits in my backpack :)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B005C983NA/ref=mp_s_a_1_6?qid=1405459542&sr=8-6&pi=AC_SX110_SY165_QL70


I have one of those (that exact model) but it transfers fairly slowly. I get about 70MB/s out of it. I keep it in my camera bag because, as you say, it's super convenient. But I'm looking to speed up my DIT so I can allow some time to pull dailies. Right now, when doing RAW shoots, we're offloading the cards and verifying the footage at the same rate as shooting, so there's no time to do anything else.
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Re: Favorite on-site SSD reader?

PostTue Jul 15, 2014 10:11 pm

You've got the USB 3 version and not 2, right?
When shooting prores I can offload an entire 240gb drive in about 35-40 minutes, which happens to be the same amount those drives hold doing 4k prores
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Re: Favorite on-site SSD reader?

PostTue Jul 15, 2014 10:17 pm

Timothy Montoya wrote:You've got the USB 3 version and not 2, right?
When shooting prores I can offload an entire 240gb drive in about 35-40 minutes, which happens to be the same amount those drives hold doing 4k prores


Yes. So you're getting around 102MB/s then. I peak at 120, but on average it's slower. When I use a Seagate mount, I get a sustained 120. The dock in the link promises faster speeds by 3 or 4 times. I'd settle for 2.

The issue is, filling up a 240 on the BMPC 4k takes only ~15 minutes of shooting. Add in the setup and framing and direction and you get ~40-60 minutes per mag before DIT needs to have the previous one cleared. So DIT is always just copying data. No time to do anything else.
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Re: Favorite on-site SSD reader?

PostTue Jul 15, 2014 10:29 pm

We use this one. It's a little more pricey but I like that it has an on/off switch. Early on, I had read about someone that fried an SSD when they plugged their adapter into their computer, seemingly because power was immediately supplied while the USB connector was still being inserted.

http://www.siig.com/it-products/controllers-storage/hard-drive-storage/drive-docking/usb-3-0-to-2-5-sata-hdd-ssd-mini-docking.html

We get the same read/write speeds as listed above when transferring to an external mechanical drive. If I transfer to the PCIe SSD on my MacBook Air, I can get around 200MB/s!
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Re: Favorite on-site SSD reader?

PostTue Jul 15, 2014 10:59 pm

I have two of these connected via USB3 to my Hackintosh.
http://www.newertech.com/products/voyagerq.php

Copying onto my internal RAID, i can clear a 240GB SSD in less than 10 minutes.
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Re: Favorite on-site SSD reader?

PostTue Jul 15, 2014 11:13 pm

CaptainHook wrote:I have two of these connected via USB3 to my Hackintosh.
http://www.newertech.com/products/voyagerq.php

Copying onto my internal RAID, i can clear a 240GB SSD in less than 10 minutes.


Those are nice!
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Re: Favorite on-site SSD reader?

PostTue Jul 15, 2014 11:18 pm

CaptainHook wrote:I have two of these connected via USB3 to my Hackintosh.
http://www.newertech.com/products/voyagerq.php

Copying onto my internal RAID, i can clear a 240GB SSD in less than 10 minutes.



I'm sorry I'm lost... what is your internal RAID setup? is it special hardware?
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Re: Favorite on-site SSD reader?

PostWed Jul 16, 2014 1:04 am

CaptainHook wrote:I have two of these connected via USB3 to my Hackintosh.
http://www.newertech.com/products/voyagerq.php

Copying onto my internal RAID, i can clear a 240GB SSD in less than 10 minutes.


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Re: Favorite on-site SSD reader?

PostWed Jul 16, 2014 1:35 am

If you have a thunderbolt port, I love the seagate adapter.
(http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/control ... &A=details)
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Re: Favorite on-site SSD reader?

PostWed Jul 16, 2014 1:52 am

quantumrider wrote:I'm sorry I'm lost... what is your internal RAID setup? is it special hardware?

I have 4 internal 1TB HDD's that are in a RAID0 setup to make a single 4TB drive (OSX software raid setup in disk utility, not hardware) that are live synked to another 4TB external drive for a little bit of redunancy. Having the 4 drives act as 'one' gives a significant increase in read/write speeds. My SSD's via USB3 are just over 200MB/s, my raid runs at about 600MB/s, a PCI SSD can be 700-1000+MB/s but will be much more expensive and much smaller capacity.
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Re: Favorite on-site SSD reader?

PostWed Jul 16, 2014 1:56 am

ahhh gotcha! thank you very much for clearing it up! I'm on a laptop now, got a nice one with three SSD's inside but I'm thinking to build a killer pc in two months or so... with 64gb ram so I can use insane huge ramdisks(I'm using three now, two permanent() one temporary , been doing that for years on all my windows systems without problem) with liquid cooled 6 core pentium and liquid cooled video card so I'm also going to want to setup nice raid system...
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Re: Favorite on-site SSD reader?

PostWed Jul 16, 2014 10:09 am

Andy Dopieralski wrote:
Timothy Montoya wrote:I use one of these for offloading my footage. It does everything I need and fits in my backpack :)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B005C983NA/ref=mp_s_a_1_6?qid=1405459542&sr=8-6&pi=AC_SX110_SY165_QL70


I have one of those (that exact model) but it transfers fairly slowly. I get about 70MB/s out of it. I keep it in my camera bag because, as you say, it's super convenient. But I'm looking to speed up my DIT so I can allow some time to pull dailies. Right now, when doing RAW shoots, we're offloading the cards and verifying the footage at the same rate as shooting, so there's no time to do anything else.


What are you transferring to? Does not matter how fast the doc and it's connection are if the drive you are copying to is slow. A single spinning disk will be a huge bottleneck for that transfer.
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Re: Favorite on-site SSD reader?

PostWed Jul 16, 2014 3:40 pm

adamroberts wrote:What are you transferring to? Does not matter how fast the doc and it's connection are if the drive you are copying to is slow. A single spinning disk will be a huge bottleneck for that transfer.


I've tried a number of devices, including my internal desktop RAID (which I know isn't the bottleneck). The issue is the SATA support on these USB 3.0 devices. Maybe I ended up getting a previous model, but it seems to only support SATA I speed. I know for sure that the Seagate dock is only SATA II, so that's the problem there. However the extra external power does seem to help it sustain speed a bit more reliably. I just got a SATA III dock and now I'm getting 300-500MBs transfers off of the same SanDisk cards, so I'm positive that was the issue. Thanks for everyone's help!
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Re: Favorite on-site SSD reader?

PostWed Jul 16, 2014 11:26 pm

MattAnsini wrote:If you have a thunderbolt port, I love the seagate adapter.


+1

You have to shim it with a sheet of cardboard for the thinner drives, but it's all good.
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Re: Favorite on-site SSD reader?

PostSun Jul 20, 2014 1:44 pm

we use "Sound Devices PIX-CADDY 2"
it is small, portable (usb powered) and fast
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Re: Favorite on-site SSD reader?

PostSun Jul 20, 2014 8:59 pm

MattAnsini wrote:If you have a thunderbolt port, I love the seagate adapter.
(http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/control ... &A=details)


This is the best option in my opinion. It is what I always use and the transfer speeds are unbeatable.
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Re: Favorite on-site SSD reader?

PostMon Jul 21, 2014 6:22 am

I use what I have, Atomos USB 3.0 SSD or HDD reader. :D
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