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Re: Europe

PostFri Feb 08, 2013 10:35 am

Phil S wrote:I hear that not 1 single camera has shipped to Belgium for a real customer, I was told I was top of the list at FormatC but last week they said that someone else had ordered just a few seconds before me...amazing luck that person had (this is normal in Belgium where life sucks).

As we are now desperate to get filming Im looking on Ebay for one but all the cameras being sold seem to be in the US. There are now customers of shops there that order in January this year & have the camera....so maybe the only real way to get a camera is to buy US?

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Re: Europe

PostFri Feb 22, 2013 5:28 am

Phil S wrote:I hear that not 1 single camera has shipped to Belgium for a real customer, I was told I was top of the list at FormatC but last week they said that someone else had ordered just a few seconds before me...amazing luck that person had (this is normal in Belgium where life sucks).

As we are now desperate to get filming Im looking on Ebay for one but all the cameras being sold seem to be in the US. There are now customers of shops there that order in January this year & have the camera....so maybe the only real way to get a camera is to buy US?

Phil - AprilFools order 25th 2012



Hi Phil
When do you plan to shoot?
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Re: Europe

PostFri Feb 22, 2013 8:23 am

Phil S wrote:I hear that not 1 single camera has shipped to Belgium for a real customer, I was told I was top of the list at FormatC but last week they said that someone else had ordered just a few seconds before me...amazing luck that person had (this is normal in Belgium where life sucks).


Not completely true, FormatC shipped 1 enduser model, ES Broadcast at least one, and Delimex also one. So it seems they are coming through, although at a very slow pace. To be honest - it sucks being told to be at the top of the list and not getting it first though. Did you get that confirmation from Jacky?
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Re: Europe

PostFri Feb 22, 2013 9:38 am

Here in Estonia we have really quiet.

I asked my reseller and they even do not have got any signal at all from UK office that supplies them.

Make me wonder also.
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Re: Europe

PostSat Feb 23, 2013 6:20 pm

Netherlands:
Only demo models @ 2 resellers. (1 unit per reseller)

Netherlands:
Biggest dutch rental house received rental units

Seems really harse that it is rentable at the moment, but there are none sold yet to freelancers.....
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Re: Europe

PostSun Feb 24, 2013 12:47 am

gyula wrote:

Hi Phil
When do you plan to shoot?
Gyula
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We should have been shooting already, we have a aging SI2K here thats been good to us but we upgrade the kit every few years & my boss is now expecting something better quality which Ive been saying is on the way...... We invested a lot more then the camera in some other kit for it also. With the type of filming we do its too risky to rent. For us our filming season is about to really start right now.

I almost got a camera last week from a US seller but he changed his mind. I hear that someone walked into a shop in Japan & got one over the counter for cash! I even looked to see how much a flight there would cost lol
Ordered 25th April 2012 at Format C in Antwerp (still waiting for it)
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PostSun Feb 24, 2013 10:15 am

:D
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Re: Europe

PostSun Feb 24, 2013 10:57 am

I ordered one in Australia, as I'm going there anyway in April, so I hope they were relieable in telling me that they will have some in stock again in two weeks... If so, I'll try and give away my waiting position at Teltec/Germany (ordered Aug 30th) here.
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Re: Europe

PostWed Feb 27, 2013 11:49 pm

What's new in Europe???

Still no shipping distributor??????

What about UK/France/Germany/Spain/Italy...???
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Re: Europe

PostThu Feb 28, 2013 8:07 am

To all the Europe customers the delay just may be a blessing, I and many, many others are sending our cameras in for the flange distance problem that is prevalent on the EF version anyway,
Imagine how we feel? I Just got my camera and had to send it away!!!

Anyway I feel your frustration, but maybe now all cameras have this fixed before they ship
and all of you in Europe will not have to deal with it at all...I hope.

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Re: Europe

PostThu Feb 28, 2013 11:49 am

Thanks Darryl... that really may be the only upside to this whole "situation" :|
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Re: Europe

PostThu Feb 28, 2013 11:59 am

Hey gmf, I ordered with teltec in october, I'd love to take your spot :)
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Re: Europe

PostThu Feb 28, 2013 12:22 pm

Well.. I've had mine delivered.. :-) .. ordered it in April I think... but.. it's been sent back.. (check the 'hot pixels' thread..

Cheers, Ton

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Re: Europe

PostThu Feb 28, 2013 5:25 pm

AndreasK wrote:Hey gmf, I ordered with teltec in october, I'd love to take your spot :)


I'll keep you updated. But, honestly, I don't think I'll get mine any sooner just because I ordered a couple of days ago at an aussie reseller - although they claimed to be able to ship in two weeks time.

So if a BMC awaits me when I arrive in Oz mid April and that unit actually does work, my spot is yours.
You might want to ask me again after April 17th - maybe directly via e-mail (ts at gernemehrfilm dot de).
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Re: Europe

PostThu Feb 28, 2013 9:36 pm

ton848 wrote:Well.. I've had mine delivered.. :-) .. ordered it in April I think... but.. it's been sent back.. (check the 'hot pixels' thread..

Cheers, Ton

(Amsterdam)



Where did you order?
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Re: Europe

PostThu Feb 28, 2013 10:02 pm

Mine arrived last week. Lovely!
Downside is I expected it in September... now not really time for shooting.

I put it up for rent, PM me if interested.
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Re: Europe

PostSat Mar 02, 2013 1:27 pm

We'll have our soon, and without the flange problem :-)

First ones who got it from B&H or others, have to sent it back and wait for a long time to adapt their first model!!!

We'll receive the good model with the last firmware! Ready to work :-)
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PostSat Mar 02, 2013 4:53 pm

got info from my store that they should recieve a few units this month, will see how it goes :<
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Re: Europe

PostSat Mar 02, 2013 9:34 pm

Yeah... let's hope march shows some love for us poor souls from the old continent :twisted:
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PostThu Mar 07, 2013 7:48 pm

Soeren Mueller wrote:Yeah... let's hope march shows some love for us poor souls from the old continent :twisted:


+1 (Year) :-)
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Re: Europe

PostSat Mar 09, 2013 7:02 pm

Does anyone know of any EU resellers who have received anything like as many as US or AUS resellers?

I am almost certain that I do not have the oldest unfulfilled pre-order (25th april) - but does anyone have an older one than that?

I wonder who will be the first person to have a pre-order over a year :-p

At the rate my reseller is getting them - I will be sure to go over the 1 year mark.
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PostSat Mar 09, 2013 8:13 pm

Tom wrote:Does anyone know of any EU resellers who have received anything like as many as US or AUS resellers?

I am almost certain that I do not have the oldest unfulfilled pre-order (25th april) - but does anyone have an older one than that?

I wonder who will be the first person to have a pre-order over a year :-p

At the rate my reseller is getting them - I will be sure to go over the 1 year mark.


Hey Tom,
which number are you on the EF list?
Now we'll have the good new model without flange focus problem^^
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PostSat Mar 09, 2013 9:33 pm

Tom wrote:Does anyone know of any EU resellers who have received anything like as many as US or AUS resellers?

I am almost certain that I do not have the oldest unfulfilled pre-order (25th april) - but does anyone have an older one than that?

I wonder who will be the first person to have a pre-order over a year :-p

At the rate my reseller is getting them - I will be sure to go over the 1 year mark.


Hmm for a minute I thought it would be kind of cool to get mine after you just to get the that award for the longest wait in camera history...then I realized that I have had too much wine tonight & everything seems great!
Ordered 25th April 2012 at Format C in Antwerp (still waiting for it)
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Re: Europe

PostSat Mar 09, 2013 9:34 pm

alexvideo23 wrote:
Hey Tom,
which number are you on the EF list?
Now we'll have the good new model without flange focus problem^^


The last time I asked (december) - I was number 35. CVP have received around 16-18 units so far, so I am probably about 20 places units away from getting mine - their rate coming in so far is about 2 a week (occasionally less)
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Re: Europe

PostSun Mar 10, 2013 2:17 pm

as a european it really feels like nothing has changed since the "problem" was solved. My reseller still has only received one unit and no more in sight. it's getting boring.
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Re: Europe

PostSun Mar 10, 2013 4:09 pm

teh wrote:as a european it really feels like nothing has changed since the "problem" was solved. My reseller still has only received one unit and no more in sight. it's getting boring.


+1
Yes it's still a shame from Blackmagic Europe and his distributors!
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Re: Europe

PostMon Mar 11, 2013 12:25 am

+1

nothing has changed as you say, only 1 demo cam, and one priv cam :<
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Re: Europe

PostMon Mar 11, 2013 6:18 am

This is really strange bordering on crazy. Although I personally couldn't stand it any longer and let some good Friends from Melbourne buy me a BMC locally last week, they just shipped it with DHL Express to me so it should arrive this week. Keeping my fingers crossed about customs/import tax - but I think it will come in at around 400-500 EUR. So of course it will be slightly more expensive than buying locally in Europe - but I won't have to wait another half year. ;) or :(
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Re: Europe

PostMon Mar 11, 2013 2:42 pm

Soeren Mueller wrote:This is really strange bordering on crazy. Although I personally couldn't stand it any longer and let some good Friends from Melbourne buy me a BMC locally last week, they just shipped it with DHL Express to me so it should arrive this week. Keeping my fingers crossed about customs/import tax - but I think it will come in at around 400-500 EUR. So of course it will be slightly more expensive than buying locally in Europe - but I won't have to wait another half year. ;) or :(


!!!AWESOME!!!

It's shorter to buy the BMC locally in Melbourne!!!
Buy it and make it send by someone = around 3 weeks :-)

Or wait in Europe, trust all the Blackmagic Updates and wait 1 Year... or more

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PostMon Mar 11, 2013 3:31 pm

Oh and from a friend in Tokyo I know that there are several retailers there that each have at least one BMCC still on stock! Crazy!

Another guy over at BMCUser who's based in Tokyo already thought about providing a "service" like buying BMCCs locally there and shipping them internationally. But he was kinda scared that in case of service being needed they would all contact him and it would end up being a big hassle. ;)

It's really stupid and imho totally unnecessary that people have to come up with such stupid "workarounds"! :(

I mean.. of course the waiting and holdups suck but we all can to some degree understand what caused it and the hassles that come with getting a totally new product out. But this whole shipping allocation / reseller nonsense is really frustrating - especially in a sort of "globalized" world.
And in most cases (at least for the Aussie retailers that's the case) you can't even decide to just spend more money and buy directly from them - they are not allowed to sell the cam overseas! WTF
This is like all this DVD regional code nonsense back in the day...

For example if BM would sell the cam directly: would people still complain about the cam being late? Of course... but at least the shipping order would be fair which currently accounts for a large amount of the "unrest" in the community (imho).
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Re: Europe

PostMon Mar 11, 2013 11:43 pm

Of course BM is not a "young-Apple"...
But imagine...If Apple would have launched such a revolutionary product as the iPhone, as BM is launching the BMC...!

Quite one year pre-ordered delay!
Technical issues (sensors, flange distance...) with blurred expected rewarding time of shipping...
Lack of communication with Europe...Faster parallel worldwide shipping without official distributor...!!!
No professional way of information, some approximate web updates for customers and shops...

The company seems not to realize that they announced a very nice tool, for people who planned to work with since July 2012!

BM often made up an excuse in "update", but too few apologizes for customers...

Of course...BM is not the I-company...
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Re: Europe

PostThu Mar 14, 2013 1:50 pm

Teltec just posted this:
http://forum.slashcam.de/download.php?id=8788

The floodgates are open.
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PostThu Mar 14, 2013 5:29 pm

oh wowie, 9 units for how many 100's of pr e-orders at Teltec?
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PostFri Mar 15, 2013 8:05 am

Felix Steinhardt wrote:Teltec just posted this:
http://forum.slashcam.de/download.php?id=8788

The floodgates are open.


what is standing there? my smartphone says i'm not authorised to see this site for some strange reason..

someone can copy whats standing in this link?
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Re: Europe

PostFri Mar 15, 2013 8:08 am

Hi all,

well, finally we lost our patience and ordered a BMC via foreign Amazon (off shelf) on wednesday. Shipment is underway and we will get it on tuesday (cologne/germany). Our order from Picturetools from April 25th is of course still pending. Poor Europe !


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PostFri Mar 15, 2013 9:21 am

AndiDieMaus wrote:
Felix Steinhardt wrote:Teltec just posted this:
http://forum.slashcam.de/download.php?id=8788

The floodgates are open.


what is standing there? my smartphone says i'm not authorised to see this site for some strange reason..

someone can copy whats standing in this link?


Andie,

no words in there, just a photo TELTEC posted on facebook showing a pile of a meager nine BMC boxes.
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Re: Europe

PostSun Mar 17, 2013 7:25 am

If people in Europe are serious about wanting a BMCC EF they should consider cancelling their orders and order from the US, more so if you are further down the list. It is clear this camera is not deliverying in numbers and the distribution is far from even or proportional. Regardless of what we are being told by BMD staffs on here the situation is shipments to Europe is just as bad as it was before December 2012 when BMCC EF was still in limited production having just got over the sensor problems. Of course in the US particularly the bigger resellers they are consistently getting them in quantity.
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PostWed Mar 20, 2013 10:16 am

Wolf_CFX wrote:well, finally we lost our patience and ordered a BMC via foreign Amazon (off shelf) on wednesday. Shipment is underway and we will get it on tuesday (cologne/germany). Our order from Picturetools from April 25th is of course still pending. Poor Europe !


Cool! I saw that your camera already arrived. Was is it complicated to order through the japanese amazon store? How much did you pay for customs? off shelf sounds tempting :oops:
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Re: Europe

PostWed Mar 20, 2013 4:19 pm

Tom Majerski wrote:
I am almost certain that I do not have the oldest unfulfilled pre-order (25th april) - but does anyone have an older one than that?


I orderd at 18.4.2012. The day of NAB launch. It´s one year in 28 Days :evil: !

But in East Germany (DDR) You have to wait for a car order of a TRABANT over 10 years ! :D
Maybe BMD will topped that ? :lol:
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PostWed Mar 20, 2013 4:29 pm

volker.striemer wrote:
Tom Majerski wrote:
I am almost certain that I do not have the oldest unfulfilled pre-order (25th april) - but does anyone have an older one than that?


I orderd at 18.4.2012. The day of NAB launch. It´s one year in 28 Days :evil: !

But in East Germany (DDR) You have to wait for a car order of a TRABANT over 10 years ! :D
Maybe BMD will topped that ? :lol:



wow! that really is terrible!

I hope you get is very soon! I hope you get it before I get mine!
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PostWed Mar 20, 2013 8:46 pm

volker.striemer wrote:But in East Germany (DDR) You have to wait for a car order of a TRABANT over 10 years ! :D
Maybe BMD will topped that ? :lol:


Hehe Volker, I just yesterday said the same thing to a buddy of mine... it's like you ordered a "Trabbi" in the GDR back in the day ;)
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PostThu Mar 21, 2013 10:52 am

Thank You Tom, and I hope we get the BMCamera at the same time.

@Soeren. it was a terrible time, but at the time I think, the things are not really changing :D
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PostThu Mar 21, 2013 10:57 am

Here it was even worse but i see a big change in last 20 years and hope it would
been seeing in other parts of the world also.

So much has developed and progressed since then.

Hope everything will work out for BM soon.
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PostFri Mar 22, 2013 12:30 am

Thinking I might travel Europe by renting my bmcc this summer.
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lustgarten wrote:Thinking I might travel Europe by renting my bmcc this summer.


Feel welcome to Berlin!
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PostFri Mar 22, 2013 5:38 pm

Hi
My dealer called me today and said I should get the camera in the beginning of next week :D so now there will be more than one demo camera in the state of Denmark.
I ordered in the beginning of may last year.
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PostFri Mar 22, 2013 6:54 pm

In Finland in a biggish retailer (at least it's big in electronics in general in Finland) currently there seem to be 20 cameras in back order and 4 have arrived, all of them yesterday (that means 4/24 have come).

So 1 out of 6 have come. Crazy that there are cameras available right away with no queue in Japan and other places...

I like the fact that they have numbers of backorders and dates of camera arrivals on their web page:
http://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/product/ ... amerarunko
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PostFri Mar 22, 2013 7:12 pm

Herra jumala :)

If it goes way down and my local reseller is mute i will probably order from there :D
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PostSat Mar 23, 2013 1:57 pm

My reseller in Austria told, that I'm next in line .... but they only have one demo-cam, which they are prohibited to sale ..... :evil: and they don't have any information on delivery dates ....... :cry:


btw ... I ordered right after NAB2012 .....
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Re: Europe

PostSat Mar 23, 2013 5:42 pm

If I werent waiting for the MFT and stuck with the EF I would have ordered from the US or Japan back in December 2012. The failure to ship the BMCC handle in the UK while other regions got delivery was an indicator the camera itself would have difficulty reaching these shores in significant numbers.
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