Steven Abrams wrote:This is such an absolute statement that just does not line up with practical experience on set.
It's not an absolute statement. It's a play on Jason’s statement meant to serve as alternate viewpoint to the idea that such things have no import.
And because it doesn’t line up with your practical experience, doesn’t mean that it doesn’t line up with mine.
If I have the option of several other cameras that won't display moire or FPN in the same situations, all other things being equal, I will choose them over one that does. If those are things that are not wanted in the images. That's what camera and wardrobe tests are for. I never began to suggest that a DP’s job should be to sacrifice the creative process in order to nitpick over small flaws. I’m saying you do the tests to know how your equipment handles all that will be put in front of it and where it falls apart so that you don’t have to worry about it on set or be surprised by technical issues. I get paid to make those decisions so that it doesn’t cost people down the road.
And, in my opinion, there’s a big difference between choosing (or having no choice but to use) a piece of equipment despite, or even because of, its flaws, and glossing over technical issues in a piece of equipment that shouldn’t have them or because you didn’t do your job and were surprised by them. Which is what I see more often than not.
My point in responding to Jason’s statement at all being: we are in a camera forum watching camera tests and looking for clues as to how they perform. We should be looking for these things. Not glossing over them. And, yes, of course these are beta cameras. Of course these are highly compressed web videos. Of course there are many other factors that can degrade the master images after the fact.
And of course script, direction, performance and execution are paramount. But again, we’re not in a directing forum, or a screenwriting forum. We are in a camera forum.
I don’t really care either way if there’s moire of FPN or anything else. I’ll just use something else if I find that any of these things are a problem. Or if I want something with crazy FPN as an effect, I know that I can shoot with one of the BM cameras (whether or not it’s going to be a problem with the 4.6k is is with several of the others) at 3200 and push it and get what I’m looking for.
Will moire, which frankly I didn't even notice in this clip, be a problem most of the time? Probably not. Are there ways to reduce or eliminate it in your masters? Yes. Should we take note of it when watching camera tests and other people's footage? In my opinion, yes. As we should take note of anything else that stands out. Positive or negative. To be aware of going into your own tests to see if they will be a problem or benefit for you.
But we’re either always trying to to the best work we can and make the best choices we can, or we’re not. I try to actively choose the former. Whether that best choice, or the right choice, or the only choice, is a tube video camera or 16mm film or a Sony F65. But I’ll learn as much as I can about how each of those systems performs and where they break before I get on set. Either to avoid those breaks, or to use them creatively.
Again, just my opinions.