4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostSat Oct 28, 2017 6:42 am

The big URSA wishlist just to round off a good product.

The 4.6K turret upgrade or a generational skip to a more densely packed S35 sensor.

A replacement door/big LCD with a dual SSD dock. ( There may be cabling reasons why this would not be doable. - There does not appear to be sufficient uncommitted workspace in or around the big URSA body to install a dual SSD dock. )
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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostSun Oct 29, 2017 5:51 am

THANKS a lot Sir,I have decided to buy cinalta scl pk6 lens from Europe,my only last doubt is this cinalta lens are as sharp as ultra prime also ,as good as in color rendering as ultra prime,why Iam asking is I have seen an Indian feature film shot on sony cinalta scl pl3 lens on sony F55 camera(Indian Malayalam movie"Lakshiam" and another Indian Malayalam movie"Laila o Laila",both shot on sony F55 and cinalta lens ),but the overall footage/picture quality was poor(may be because they used sony F55 camera),expect ur valuable reply,regards asok
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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostSun Oct 29, 2017 6:08 am

robert Hart wrote:The big URSA wishlist just to round off a good product.

The 4.6K turret upgrade or a generational skip to a more densely packed S35 sensor.

A replacement door/big LCD with a dual SSD dock. ( There may be cabling reasons why this would not be doable. - There does not appear to be sufficient uncommitted workspace in or around the big URSA body to install a dual SSD dock. )

I don't understand what you mean sir,please make it more legible
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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostSun Oct 29, 2017 8:31 am

robert Hart wrote:The big URSA wishlist just to round off a good product.

The 4.6K turret upgrade or a generational skip to a more densely packed S35 sensor.

A replacement door/big LCD with a dual SSD dock. ( There may be cabling reasons why this would not be doable. - There does not appear to be sufficient uncommitted workspace in or around the big URSA body to install a dual SSD dock. )

A ssd can be done on the back of Ursa behind the battery,so it may not be the problem
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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostSun Oct 29, 2017 1:33 pm

Asok Kumar wrote:THANKS a lot Sir,I have decided to buy cinalta scl pk6 lens from Europe,my only last doubt is this cinalta lens are as sharp as ultra prime also ,as good as in color rendering as ultra prime,why Iam asking is I have seen an Indian feature film shot on sony cinalta scl pl3 lens on sony F55 camera(Indian Malayalam movie"Lakshiam" and another Indian Malayalam movie"Laila o Laila",both shot on sony F55 and cinalta lens ),but the overall footage/picture quality was poor(may be because they used sony F55 camera),expect ur valuable reply,regards asok


Let us know your thoughts once you get the lenses. Share some footage, all that goodness. Probably start a new thread. This one tries to get the URSA turret convo going.
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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostWed Nov 01, 2017 1:11 pm

Angionex has released EZ1 lens with a swapable real element to convert it between super 35 and full frame lens,any body knows how is it possible without involving the optical elements? I think that the lens is a full frame lens by windowing it is converted to super 35 and by removing the window at the rear it is again converted to full frame again? If anyone knows much,please reply
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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostWed Nov 01, 2017 1:22 pm

I know the answer to that one.

I'll tell you if you open a new thread about it.
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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostWed Nov 01, 2017 4:31 pm

OK,how can I open a new thread?
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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostThu Nov 02, 2017 8:05 pm

Patrick Acum wrote:For a product that has probably been delayed or shelved because of lack of commercial interest, this thread has had more views than pretty much anything else on this forum with the exception of the faqs. 80 000 + views and counting!!!

And that's why this thread is important. We are letting BMD know that customers want the turret that was advertised. Heck, we would take a turret that wasn't advertised at this point.
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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostFri Nov 03, 2017 3:04 am

Absolutely u r correct,any we want the turret,nothing more
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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostFri Nov 03, 2017 11:20 am

robert Hart wrote:The big URSA wishlist just to round off a good product.

The 4.6K turret upgrade or a generational skip to a more densely packed S35 sensor.

A replacement door/big LCD with a dual SSD dock. ( There may be cabling reasons why this would not be doable. - There does not appear to be sufficient uncommitted workspace in or around the big URSA body to install a dual SSD dock. )



That's a good idea - there's a lot of real estate in the door - could be a bit like the xr module for the alexa classic.
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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostFri Nov 03, 2017 3:42 pm

In November now any news on the sensor working yet?
As stated by Robert and others would be happy with the mini.4.6 sensor with interchangeable mount:-)

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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostSat Nov 04, 2017 8:47 am

As there is a trend to full frame sensor from super 35,BMD may be making full frame turret for Ursa
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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostSat Nov 04, 2017 10:33 am

I think it very unlikely that there'll be anything revolutionary coming for the big ursa like FF or 8k. The best we can hope for is probably a non GS 4.6k sensor with limited, if any, off speed options. I'd still take it...
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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostSat Nov 04, 2017 12:04 pm

Yes,if it happens,I would also buy it
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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostSun Nov 05, 2017 1:44 pm

Patrick Acum wrote:I think it very unlikely that there'll be anything revolutionary coming for the big ursa like FF or 8k. The best we can hope for is probably a non GS 4.6k sensor with limited, if any, off speed options. I'd still take it...


Well, if it has current URSA mini specs, I will take it. Anything less will be a bad apple.
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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostThu Nov 09, 2017 1:50 am

Black magic design proclaimed it,sony did it!on upgrading sensor
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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostThu Nov 09, 2017 11:31 pm

Just like BM, I don't think Sony can claim interchangeable sensor blocks until there are at least two different sensor blocks available for purchase that one could actually interchange. Otherwise it means nothing.
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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostWed Nov 15, 2017 2:00 am

I started shooting my Indian feature film on my Ursa4K!,any Hope for Ursa turret?
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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostThu Nov 16, 2017 5:59 pm

The 4.6 Camera update was skipped?!?. Maybe a sign... maybe.
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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostFri Nov 17, 2017 5:44 pm

BMD is already developing 8K products like DeckLink 8K Pro. Maybe they are skipping 4k and going straight to 8K. All of these extremely long delays and no promises could just be their attempts to keep it under wraps. I don't believe in Santa.
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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostFri Nov 17, 2017 10:26 pm

Do you really think they are brushing over the already developed 4.6k sensor to move on to something better while keeping their unhappy previous customers waiting with nothing to show for it? According to them they are already struggling getting the now years old 4.6k sensor working on the older hardware of the Ursa and you think they are going to add an even newer sensor down the road? The best you can hope for is the 4.6k which is doubtful and maybe the V2 of the 4K but that is the best anyone is going to get if get anything at all.

The Ursa is dead.
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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostSat Nov 18, 2017 12:37 am

David Hessel wrote:Do you really think they are brushing over the already developed 4.6k sensor to move on to something better while keeping their unhappy previous customers waiting with nothing to show for it? According to them they are already struggling getting the now years old 4.6k sensor working on the older hardware of the Ursa and you think they are going to add an even newer sensor down the road? The best you can hope for is the 4.6k which is doubtful and maybe the V2 of the 4K but that is the best anyone is going to get if get anything at all.

The Ursa is dead.


I still have the same expectations now as when I bought the camera.
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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostSun Nov 19, 2017 1:24 am

David Hessel wrote:The best you can hope for is ... maybe the V2 of the 4K but that is the best anyone is going to get if get anything at all.

If BM was serious about continuing to support the Ursa the V2 turret would be available for purchase. They don't have to do anything else but build it and stock it. They still make the PCC for goodness sakes. Probably because there is enough demand to make it worth their while .

Isn't it obvious .

The Ursa is dead.

Exactly.
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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostSun Nov 19, 2017 7:04 am

robertmanningjr wrote:
Ryan Earl wrote:Is there a situation or reason to choose the URSA 4K sensor over the latest 4.6K besides lower cost?
Global Shutter? More or Less Filmic look? Is it a unanimous decision among customers to upgrade especially since there is no going back?

Is there an online petition started with signatures or names added of those customers who would upgrade?


I now have both and there are several considerations when we go on a job. Black Hole Sun with the 4K sensor is a major problem. If we are shooting in any situation where that could be a problem, then we leave the 4K at home. Fast pans, movement or fast moves, then we have to go with the global shutter of the 4K. For me, if the 4.6K sensor was in our URSA body (global shutter), we would always use the big URSA. But people have different opinions on that. The big URSA's monitor is phenomenal and the big URSA on the shoulder is phenomenal. Ease of use, timecode,and assistant side screen make the URSA a better camera for us because we do a fair amount of narrative work. But if someone does mostly documentary or run and gun work, the Mini would be best. We've gotten great color from both cameras.

And I would upgrade as soon as the turret is offered.


That's true in our case too. We use the big URSA heavily when we are on sticks but doing fast pans, movements and fast moves... love that global shutter. We only do narratives. For run-n-gun situations, we go wth a C200 which has good stabilization.
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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostMon Nov 20, 2017 5:37 am

It is still alive just as he said.

Hi,

I am posting this to let you know that the loyalty upgrade offer on URSA Mini Pro 4.6K for customers who purchased the original URSA 4K camera has been extended until further notice. The upgradable turret mount for the original URSA camera has been delayed due to technical challenges, so while we continue to work on solving these, we are extending the special offer. The URSA loyalty program gives URSA customers an affordable way of getting the latest Blackmagic Design camera technology today, while keeping your original URSA camera.

We extend our apologies to those of you who have been waiting for the URSA Turret upgrade and appreciate your patience. When developing products it is essential that we meet both the expectations of you as a customer and ourselves. If we released a product we weren't entirely happy with it would be against our principles and unfair on you, our customers.

Should you need a 4.6k camera option now, the loyalty upgrade offer will help you transition to the URSA Mini Pro 4.6k with the addition of ND filters, SD card recording and an interchangeable lens mount. All you need to do is contact the reseller from whom you purchased your original URSA 4K camera and send them a photograph of your camera’s serial number. Your reseller will provide Blackmagic Design with a copy of the original invoice and process the URSA Mini Pro 4.6K order for you at this special price of only $3495. Best of all, you get to keep your original URSA 4K camera too!

We thank you for your patience and hope you’ll take advantage of this offer.
Please contact your Blackmagic Design reseller or local office with any questions!

Regards,

Grant
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