4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostTue Mar 13, 2018 11:19 pm

They promised the Ursa owners first priority for the 4.6k sensor, they even marketed and sold Ursa units based off that promise. When the time came the delivered the mini first with zero mention of the Ursa owners anywhere, even here on the forums. They just ignored them and left them in the dark like they continue to do. There is no excuse for that.
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PostWed Mar 14, 2018 6:01 am

Hundred percent correct
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PostFri Mar 30, 2018 7:53 pm

Bump. AKA can we can an official update from BM about the turret upgrade for the full size URSA? Please? Pretty please?

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PostSat Mar 31, 2018 1:08 am

Hoping to hear something at NAB
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PostSun Apr 01, 2018 3:16 am

Donnell you wont hear anything at NAB they are just gonna promote their ursa broadcast, sad but its the reality
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PostSun Apr 01, 2018 11:44 am

Yes i’m Preparing myself for that possibility :cry:
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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostMon Apr 02, 2018 12:49 am

You will hear nothing about the Ursa ever again from BM unless people make enough noise and force them to say something.
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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostMon Apr 02, 2018 4:18 pm

David Hessel wrote:You will hear nothing about the Ursa ever again from BM unless people make enough noise and force them to say something.


At this stage, because people have threatened legal action, I doubt you will hear from BM about this. Maybe their lawyers, but only if you are a party to a lawsuit.

It amazes me how people just don't get it. BM doesn't make Ursas anymore, doesn't make parts for Ursas anymore, doesn't make upgrades for them anymore. It's done, over, kaput!

Some of you are like the boyfriend whose girlfriend has moved out, changed her phone number, changed her job, changed her name, didn't tell anyone where she went or how to get ahold of her, dyed her hair, had plastic surgery, and then she committed suicide. And you still demand that she tell you 'its over.'

You need to get over this. It's not healthy.
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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostMon Apr 02, 2018 8:21 pm

Gene Kochanowsky wrote:
David Hessel wrote:Some of you are like the boyfriend whose girlfriend has moved out, changed her phone number, changed her job, changed her name, didn't tell anyone where she went or how to get ahold of her, dyed her hair, had plastic surgery, and then she committed suicide. And you still demand that she tell you 'its over.'

You need to get over this. It's not healthy.


We could have made it work with her. :D
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PostMon Apr 02, 2018 10:07 pm

Cute idea for a 48 hour film contest... substituting Michael’s suggested alternate ending, as a comedy, no suicide.


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PostTue Apr 03, 2018 3:34 am

Gene that girlfriend said she needed space to work things out/find herself. Even though it’s 9 months ago.. I still love her; and hope she comes back, or at least come back and say it’s over. ;)
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Hope she is not cheating on me :D
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PostTue Apr 03, 2018 7:11 am

rick.lang wrote:Cute idea for a 48 hour film contest... substituting Michael’s suggested alternate ending, as a comedy, no suicide.


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Ofcourse Michael haha
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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostTue Apr 03, 2018 11:43 am

Just found this in the Netflix list of approved cameras according to https://www.premiumbeat.com/blog/camera ... originals/
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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostTue Apr 03, 2018 5:15 pm

Paul R. Williams wrote:Just found this in the Netflix list of approved cameras according to https://www.premiumbeat.com/blog/camera ... originals/
Blackmagic URSA (Discontinued)
4.6K — 4608 x 2592
CinemaDNG RAW

I wouldn't trust anything in one of Premium Beat's clickbait blog articles. They don't fact check them at all and frequently include incorrect information along with bad advice. Referencing a camera that never existed is a good example.
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PostWed Apr 04, 2018 4:59 am

Regarding Netflix, which is the mistake, reference to the big URSA photo altogether or just the 4.6K spec mentioned?

On the beginning of the Netflix approved cameras column, this text appears :-
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4K Resolution:

Camera must have a true 4K sensor (equal to or greater than 3840 photosites wide).
Recording Format:

Minimum of 16-bit Linear or 10-bit Log processing
Bitrate of at least 240 Mbps (at 23.98/24 fps) recording
Recording format must be set to either:
RAW (uncompressed or lightly compressed sensor data)
COMPRESSED (Log Gamma - i.e. S-Log3, V-Log, CanonLog3, REDLogFilm, BMDLog, LogC, etc.)
No looks or color corrections should be baked into the original camera files.
Files must maintain all metadata (i.e. Tape Name, Timecode, Frame Rate, ISO, WB, etc.)
Black Balancing:
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If this is true or Netflix has not had a change of mind since, then the original Big URSA 4K along with the Sony PXW-Z450, just meets their approved specification as I read it, so long as the Big URSA's sensor has 4000 x 2160 real and not imagined active photosites. This would also bring the Blackmagic 4K Cinema Camera into the fold. Somebody smarter than I might like to correct me if I have made some wayward assumptions.
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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostThu Apr 05, 2018 4:22 am

"
The cameras listed below meet the minimum resolution and recording requirements listed above. This list is not exhaustive; additional approved cameras may be available. "

The big URSA still have a true 4k sensor even if still shooting on the v1 im sure you can come up with something still acceptable after post ...
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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostFri Apr 06, 2018 1:42 pm

I'm just going to keep posting this question until someone gives an official yes or no from BlackMagic. My apologies to the other people on the forum trying to share knowledge and insights into the BM workflow, but this is where BM chose to post an update on July 10, 2017.

Can we get an official update from BM about the turret upgrade for the full size URSA? Please? Pretty please?

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PostSat Apr 07, 2018 5:44 pm

I know a bunch of BM guys are in Las Vegas right now, frantically setting up the booth and meeting with press.

Maybe you could take a moment and deal with a not so insignificant base of your users that really feel left out in the cold here. Just take a minute, talk to Grant, and make a decision. It's not just the camera asset that a lot of us are sitting on, it's the investment in extra heavy tripods and fluid heads and sliders and batteries just to support that behemoth that we're still holding onto with the promise of a sensor upgrade.

Can we get an official update from BM about the turret upgrade for the full size URSA? Please? Pretty please?

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PostSat Apr 07, 2018 5:47 pm

Marc Bartholomew wrote:I know a bunch of BM guys are in Las Vegas right now, frantically setting up the booth and meeting with press.

Maybe you could take a moment and deal with a not so insignificant base of your users that really feel left out in the cold here. Just take a minute, talk to Grant, and make a decision. It's not just the camera asset that a lot of us are sitting on, it's the investment in extra heavy tripods and fluid heads and sliders and batteries just to support that behemoth that we're still holding onto with the promise of a sensor upgrade.

Can we get an official update from BM about the turret upgrade for the full size URSA? Please? Pretty please?

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Marc they haven’t forgotten us. I’m sure we’ll get answers on or a little after NAB
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PostSat Apr 07, 2018 7:49 pm

Donnell I’ll take an announcement Monday morning :lol:

Grant if it helps I can almost guarantee I’ll be buying a pocket 4k based on one banner showing a quarter of a camera
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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostSat Apr 07, 2018 9:26 pm

Gavin_c_clark wrote:Donnell I’ll take an announcement Monday morning :lol:

Grant if it helps I can almost guarantee I’ll be buying a pocket 4k based on one banner showing a quarter of a camera


I’m with you there brother. I’m going to pick up that pocket as well. I have a couple of interior car shots coming up, so the pocket is great news. The turret announcement on Monday even better news ;)
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That will only help them keep their mouths shut, why would BM stick their necks out and make a public statement if you are going to continue to buy from them anyway?
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PostSun Apr 08, 2018 12:20 am

David, it’s just like Frank Sinatra was singing, “that old Blackmagic, you’ve got me under your spell!”


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PostSun Apr 08, 2018 2:19 am

Grant might just announce that he will give, to all owners of the URSA 4K with a valid serial number, a free Pocket 4K. The caveat is that all owners forget the word "Turret".
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Ellory Yu wrote:Grant might just announce that he will give, to all owners of the URSA 4K with a valid serial number, a free Pocket 4K. The caveat is that all owners forget the word "Turret".

All guys already had a oppertunity to buy a Ursa Mini with a huge discount.. You really think he will give another freebie?? :lol: :lol:

I think that if there is no real statement at NAB about the original Ursa cams.. You may loose hope it will ever come.. And it is time to move on... Buy new gear and sell your losses..
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PostSun Apr 08, 2018 2:09 pm

I'm not asking for a freebie, or a discount on a new camera, or anything other than a decision or update on what has been repeatedly promised over the years.

At this point, I'd like to move on from the URSA platform and never look at this forum again, but making that decision would be justified with some definitive information form the manufacturer. There was a lot of thought, and financial investment, on my part to go with Blackmagic cameras as the basis of my business. Which ever way Blackmagic deicides to go with the turret issue I'm personally going to lose thousands, either in lost value, or by spending in additional investment. A decision from Blackmagic would at least put me on one side of that outcome that I would feel I had an informed choice in.

Can we get an official update from BM about the turret upgrade for the full size URSA? Please? Pretty please?

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Marc Bartholomew wrote:Can we get an official update from BM about the turret upgrade for the full size URSA? Please? Pretty please?

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marc, have you tried calling them?
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PostSun Apr 08, 2018 4:45 pm

I had talked to the support department in the US last year when I was having my UMP repaired and they said they didn't know anything.

This forum seems an appropriate place to inquire and to expect a reply since that's were Grant himself gave us an update last July.
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PostSun Apr 08, 2018 4:59 pm

Marc Bartholomew wrote:This forum seems an appropriate place to inquire and to expect a reply since that's were Grant himself gave us an update last July.


marc, I only suggested because obviously this forum doesn't appear to be an appropriate place to inquire about the turret, anymore. Hasn't been for a long time.

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PostSun Apr 08, 2018 5:12 pm

Tilting at windmills or pissing in the wind. Rarely leads to satisfaction.

Still totally agree that people deserve to hear, without equivocation, the final Yea or Nay tomorrow.


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I would be surprised if you hear anything from BM. They appear to be in legal mode.
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[quote="rick.lang"]Tilting at windmills or pissing in the wind. Rarely leads to satisfaction.

I don't know about the latter. - An unremitting burden relinquished and momentary warming of the bare feet on a cold day before the wind-chill sets in??
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PostMon Apr 09, 2018 11:35 am

robert Hart wrote:
rick.lang wrote:Tilting at windmills or pissing in the wind. Rarely leads to satisfaction.

I don't know about the latter. - An unremitting burden relinquished and momentary warming of the bare feet on a cold day before the wind-chill sets in??


Quite right! It does feel good when you stop hitting yourself in the head with a hammer.
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PostMon Apr 09, 2018 2:04 pm

I'm not expecting that BMD will say anything today at NAB about the turret upgrade issue. It would be a PR mistake to talk about old products or even admitting you've failed your customers in the past when you're launching a new product (the pocket 4k). BMD's general business model has been to over promise in order to be "disruptive" and then pull back on features by the time it ships. Remember announced products shipping a year later? Remember global shutter on the UMP that never materialized once it shipped? Remember an MFT mount BMCC? I know they're are working on correcting that model, but the whole URSA upgrade issue is a holdover from that business model. If there is litigation going on it would also be bad PR to even admit that.

No, what I'm getting at by posting this everyday is that unless some useful pressure is put on the powers that be, nothing will change. BMD's best hope is that those of us who have made decisions to hold on to their URSA will slowly give up and fade away and they won't have to make any statements. I don't find that an acceptable solution. I was on the fence about selling off my URSA last year while it still had some good value, I held off based on Grant's July update on the upgrade program, and now 8 months later my URSA is worth $1000 less. I had already bought a UMP, and I don't need another.

So, once again, with apologies to those who feel this is not the appropriate place:

Can we get an official update from BM about the turret upgrade for the full size URSA? Please? Pretty please?

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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostMon Apr 09, 2018 2:27 pm

Marc Bartholomew wrote:... unless some useful pressure is put on the powers that be, nothing will change.

marc, define useful pressure, because what has been going on in the forums doesn't appear to have been all that useful. You need to get Grant on the phone or someone directly below him and apply your pressure there. The forum ain't workin.

But frankly I have no idea why you need to do that. You already know the answer.
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PostMon Apr 09, 2018 3:00 pm

Useful pressure is something that is useful for me. I get to vent and it doesn't take much of my time to post here. I am an individual owner of two BMD products, an URSA and UMP, I don't really have any "pressure" I could apply. I'm sorry if that doesn't work for you, and I already put a pre-emptive apology on my first post. I would suggest ignoring my posts if it bothers you, but I'm having a grand old time. Maybe the mods will kick me off at some point, however I'm not being rude or insulting to anyone (I hope). This is a forum created by BlackMagic to discuss whatever is relevant, and my repeated post is exactly in line with this thread's title.

I could try to call Australia, I could ask Dan Chung and other bloggers or friends that I have that are at NAB this week to go pester the BMD booth. I could give up. This is the method and path I have chosen, and it works for me.

Is it a temper tantrum? Probably. But for the time being it makes me feel better. Thanks for tolerating me.

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Re: 4.6K Turret for Original Ursa Owners?

PostMon Apr 09, 2018 5:39 pm

No mention about the turret today either. Unfortunately I think the 4.6 turret discussion can be shut down once and for all now. RIP Ursa Major 4.6k
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Hopefully someone attending can ask the question
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Gavin_c_clark wrote:Hopefully someone attending can ask the question
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PostTue Apr 10, 2018 2:12 pm

Does anyone remembert the bad boy? With the new pocket on the front, I think we have a contender..http://videoandfilmmaker.com/wp/index.p ... ursa_hdmi/
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Patrick Acum wrote:Does anyone remembert the bad boy? With the new pocket on the front, I think we have a contender..http://videoandfilmmaker.com/wp/index.p ... ursa_hdmi/

Ghehe i was about to photoshop the BMPCC4K into such a picture.. :lol: But have been quite busy with other things... It does 4K 60P and does 2K 120P so would deliver right ;)
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PostTue Apr 10, 2018 3:05 pm

Can we get an official update from BM about the turret upgrade for the full size URSA? Please? Pretty please?

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PostTue Apr 10, 2018 4:25 pm

Okay, here it is.

April, 10th 2018 - G. Kochanowsky

Today I announce that the 4.6K turret upgrade for the Ursa camera will not be shipping ever. For those who couldn't figure this out, it's official, you are unable to comprehend the utterly obvious.

Good luck with that, and have a good life.

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PostTue Apr 10, 2018 6:08 pm

Lets now officially sue them for the product which doesnt fullfill its full purpose that is upgradable, now the statement is there officially, many of us bought this instead of mini 4.6k at the time because that utter blackhole sun was upgradable and had global shutter, we invested money in heavy tripods and other gears.Now its up to us to show them what unhappy and unsatisfied customers are capable of
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PostTue Apr 10, 2018 7:04 pm

haseebdistorxian wrote:Lets now officially sue them for the product which doesnt fullfill its full purpose that is upgradable, now the statement is there officially, many of us bought this instead of mini 4.6k at the time because that utter blackhole sun was upgradable and had global shutter, we invested money in heavy tripods and other gears.Now its up to us to show them what unhappy and unsatisfied customers are capable of


Knock yourself out. Suing was always an option. What took you so long? But just in case you don't know this, this is BMs website and any good lawyer would have told you a very long time ago, if you intend to sue them you should not be dicussing your case here of all places. This is of course why you will hear nothing from BM about this matter on this website. It's obvious, but it is official, you can't discern the obvious.
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