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Nikon F Mount for URSA Mini Pro

PostThu May 11, 2017 10:03 am

Hello!

I heard that BMD is going to release a Nikon F Mount for the URSA Mini Pro.
My question is now: Will it be mechanical or supports electronic aperture adjustment?
I have a Nikkor 200-500 tele lens, which has no mechanical aperture controller and regulate the exposure via ND filters and shutter time is kind of difficult...

Does someone know anything specific about the Nikon mount?

Thanks in advance! :)

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Re: Nikon F Mount for URSA Mini Pro

PostThu May 11, 2017 6:50 pm

It is a mechanical mount.

Works with AF-D and AF-S G series lenses but it does not have electronic pins so won't work with AF-S E series lenses.

If there is enough demand for electronic control we could look at doing a version with the electronic pins but as Nikon do not publish or share their protocol information it would take a long time for us to implement in camera. If you would be keen on this then please speak to Nikon about it and request that they provide us with this information to support these in our cameras.
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Re: Nikon F Mount for URSA Mini Pro

PostThu May 11, 2017 8:56 pm

Tim Schumann wrote:It is a mechanical mount.

Works with AF-D and AF-S G series lenses but it does not have electronic pins so won't work with AF-S E series lenses.

If there is enough demand for electronic control we could look at doing a version with the electronic pins but as Nikon do not publish or share their protocol information it would take a long time for us to implement in camera. If you would be keen on this then please speak to Nikon about it and request that they provide us with this information to support these in our cameras.


Electronic control would certainly be nice. I'm hoping to pick up a UMP in the near future and would love the option with my Nikon lenses.
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Re: Nikon F Mount for URSA Mini Pro

PostThu May 11, 2017 9:21 pm

I am fine with the manual iris control, it would be nicea if the f-stop would be passed on to the monitor or make it to meta data. so some kind of communication would be very nice.
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Re: Nikon F Mount for URSA Mini Pro

PostFri May 12, 2017 2:05 am

Tim, so there is going to be a Iris control lever on the mount to mechanically control the Iris on Nikon G lenses, as these lack the Iris ring on the lens?
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Re: Nikon F Mount for URSA Mini Pro

PostFri May 12, 2017 2:06 am

Nikon is like Sony, they do not share their new "electronic" toys and the new E lens control protocols. :roll:
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Re: Nikon F Mount for URSA Mini Pro

PostFri May 12, 2017 2:20 am

Denny Smith wrote:Tim, so there is going to be a Iris control lever on the mount to mechanically control the Iris on Nikon G lenses, as these lack the Iris ring on the lens?
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We showed it at NAB. It is much nicer than a simple lever.
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Re: Nikon F Mount for URSA Mini Pro

PostFri May 12, 2017 2:26 am

And humans have a pretty good muscle memory for rotational position.
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Re: Nikon F Mount for URSA Mini Pro

PostFri May 12, 2017 6:20 am

Has extended travel to 60º rotation and is nicely dampened.
Feels similar to the aperture ring on a cine lens.
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Re: Nikon F Mount for URSA Mini Pro

PostFri May 12, 2017 3:01 pm

Thanks Tim, I didn't see the mount at NAB, only a few not so,good videos of it on display. The Metabones adapters not use simple lever either, it is also a Cam action rotational ring. Nice touch BM!
Also, there are only a few Nikon E mount lenses released, and most video shooters have the older Nikon lenses anyway, so building a Nikon electronic mount would not be that muchmof an advantage, except to have lens data (not lens control) sent to the camera, likemthe Zeiss ZF2 lenses do. This might be more doable, Zeiss worked it out, so BM could also.
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Re: Nikon F Mount for URSA Mini Pro

PostFri May 12, 2017 3:59 pm

thomas bruegger wrote:I am fine with the manual iris control, it would be nicea if the f-stop would be passed on to the monitor or make it to meta data. so some kind of communication would be very nice.


The only reason I'd really want electronic control is for when I have the cam on a gimbal... makes life a bit easier. And yes, being able to capture that meta would be nice as well.
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Re: Nikon F Mount for URSA Mini Pro

PostFri May 12, 2017 4:00 pm

Tim Schumann wrote:as Nikon do not publish or share their protocol information it would take a long time for us to implement in camera.


Hopefully Nikon's woes will be an incentive to share that protocol information, so that it could sell more lenses. :ugeek:
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Re: Nikon F Mount for URSA Mini Pro

PostFri May 12, 2017 4:42 pm

If there's not electronic connection, I'm not sure what the advantage would be for a Nikon mount. Nikon lens attached to EF mount with a simple adapter that allows for aputure change.
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Re: Nikon F Mount for URSA Mini Pro

PostFri May 12, 2017 5:09 pm

Look at how FoolControl works with a Red camera. If the camera is able to control the lens, then the lens essentially has a built-in focus motor.

Since BMD has wireless camera control now in the UM 4.6K Pro...
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Re: Nikon F Mount for URSA Mini Pro

PostSat May 13, 2017 12:25 am

The BM Nikon mount would need a motor in it to control the Iris by remote. The big difference from what Tim said, is the BM Nikon mount has a very nice, dampened long through Iris ring to control the Nikon G (and F lenses, set to f/16-22) lens Iris. This is a lot better than the simple,little, hard to use lever in a F/G to EF adapter, and every time you add an adapter, you weaken the lens to camera connection, and introduce the chance for more Focus errors and lens movement -- keeping a lens on a single mount, no adapters required, is the advantage of an interchangeable lens mount in the first place.

If you need auto lens/remote Iris and focus control for gimbal work, youmare stuck with Canon EF lenses.
Nikon is not going to share, just like Sony will not share the E mount protocols. Besides, there are not hat many Nikon F (electronic lenses out there currently, so your selection is going to be limited, if BM had a E versionmofmrhe Nikon F mount. You have five primes from 28 to 135mm and three "push/pull" zoom lenses.
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Re: Nikon F Mount for URSA Mini Pro

PostSat May 13, 2017 1:08 pm

Denny Smith wrote:If you need auto lens/remote Iris and focus control for gimbal work, youmare stuck with Canon EF lenses.
Nikon is not going to share, just like Sony will not share the E mount protocols. Besides, there are not hat many Nikon F (electronic lenses out there currently, so your selection is going to be limited, if BM had a E versionmofmrhe Nikon F mount. You have five primes from 28 to 135mm and three "push/pull" zoom lenses.
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Red have a electronic Nikon mount at least they had one for the epic, worked great. the Nikon 24-70 G and 70-200 G are my main lenses on the Ursa Mini i simply love these, as mentioned i dont think that electronic iris control would be that big of a deal over manual control, but it would be essential to see the f-stop youre at, on the monitor and to save it to meta data. otherwise there really is no real advantage than simply put an adapter between the lens and the canon mount. there are no mechanical problems as long as you use a well made Adapter like the ones from novoflex.
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Re: Nikon F Mount for URSA Mini Pro

PostSat May 13, 2017 1:39 pm

I'd love to have a full support for my whole Nikon lenses!
Perhaps one day BM will sell a real Nikon F turret with aperture/focus and optical stabilisation . For today basic adapters are useful.
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Re: Nikon F Mount for URSA Mini Pro

PostSun May 14, 2017 3:13 am

The Nikon 24-70 G and 70-200 G Lenses do Not have an electronic Iris, it is controlled by a mechanical lever on the backmofmrh lens, somthismwill work fine on the BM Nikon mount. What is missing is the electronic feedback displays for the f/stop and lens data chip, that is on these lenses, and the Focus motor control which is what the lens contact pins are used for, not controlling the Iris f/stop.
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Re: Nikon F Mount for URSA Mini Pro

PostSun May 14, 2017 3:35 am

Tim Schumann wrote:Has extended travel to 60º rotation and is nicely dampened.
Feels similar to the aperture ring on a cine lens.


It does feel lovely. Tried it out at NAB. Very nicely done!
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Re: Nikon F Mount for URSA Mini Pro

PostMon May 15, 2017 8:36 am

@Tim Schumann
When will this mount be available?
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Re: Nikon F Mount for URSA Mini Pro

PostMon May 15, 2017 10:57 am

Tom Sijmons wrote:@Tim Schumann
When will this mount be available?

And what is the target price?
I believe that it can be the same as a replacement EF mount (175$) since there is no electronic pins.
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Re: Nikon F Mount for URSA Mini Pro

PostMon May 15, 2017 8:01 pm

Blackmagic URSA Mini Pro F Mount
$375.00 USD

As with all of our other Pro mount kits it comes with a nice padded blow moulded case, screws and a shim kit. We are aiming at August release.
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Nikon F Mount for URSA Mini Pro

PostMon May 15, 2017 8:54 pm

Tim, my original hardworking BMB4 mounted on my Mini 4.6K is feeling a little envious of the new packaging for the Pro mounts! Of course, I had to explain to him, that we're just not Pro. Kids, they just don't understand these concepts. After all, he's doing a great job.

That new version of the B4 mount will need a new name to avoid confusion: BMPB4.

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Re: Nikon F Mount for URSA Mini Pro

PostWed May 17, 2017 7:54 am

Tim Schumann wrote:Blackmagic URSA Mini Pro F Mount
$375.00 USD

As with all of our other Pro mount kits it comes with a nice padded blow moulded case, screws and a shim kit. We are aiming at August release.



Hi Tim,
Do you know if it will be an option to buy an ursa mini pro already kitted and shimmed with the nikon turret as opposed to buying an (in my case, unnecessary, since i only use nikon lenses) canon mount and having to spend extra on the nikon mount to replace it?
It would be great to have it available as a package option purchase and would seem to make good economic sense for blackmagic as the canon mounts with their electronic controls are likely more expensive to produce, much like you offered the micro 4/3ds and canon mount versions of the original cinema camera?

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Re: Nikon F Mount for URSA Mini Pro

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Don't forget economics of scale. There is more Canon glass around, in particular with aspiring filmmakers.
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PostWed May 17, 2017 9:55 am

Uli Plank wrote:Don't forget economics of scale. There is more Canon glass around, in particular with aspiring filmmakers.


Errr.... wrong. There is over a hundred million Nikon lenses made (and many more from 3rd parties), that is more than how many Canon EF lenses have been made.
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Re: Nikon F Mount for URSA Mini Pro

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Tim Schumann wrote:Has extended travel to 60º rotation and is nicely dampened.
Feels similar to the aperture ring on a cine lens.

Dear Tim,
Do you have any picture of your prototype?
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Re: Nikon F Mount for URSA Mini Pro

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David Peterson wrote:
Uli Plank wrote:Don't forget economics of scale. There is more Canon glass around, in particular with aspiring filmmakers.


Errr.... wrong. There is over a hundred million Nikon lenses made (and many more from 3rd parties), that is more than how many Canon EF lenses have been made.


Yes, there are – but these are with photographers. Don't get me wrong, I like Nikon glass myself. But I'm quite sure that BM did their homework as a manufacturer when they calculated prices.
There are many more potential clients who started filming with Canon DSLRs – after all the 5D started the whole hype – than those coming from Nikon. Nikon never got video really right, even if they built very nice film cameras for amateurs long time ago.

It's all about target groups, so a nicely made mechanical mount in low numbers may well be more expensive than an electronic one without such an aperture ring for many buyers.
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Re: Nikon F Mount for URSA Mini Pro

PostWed May 17, 2017 4:49 pm

The mechanical Nikon F min t probably costs more to make the the EF mount.
Yes, more Nikon F mount lenses have been produced than Canon EF, in that the Nikon F mount remains basically unchanged since the 1960's so you can add on all the older Nikon F lense, but most of the 60-80's glass is no longer in use. So adding up the Nikon lenses vs Canon glass since 1987, when the Canon EF mount (then called EOS) was released, it would be a close tie, with 3rd party lenses possibly tipping the scale to Nikon.

As a long time Nikon F lens user, they are here today, will be here tomorrow (Nikon added their new E electronic Iris version, but still are making the mechanical F/G lenses too). While Canon's lens mount history is here today, Gone tomorrow, as the Canon FD mount the was killed by Canon with the release of EF/EOS mounts.

Canon has managed a high market penetration of EF-mount lenses, and the same theird party lens makers offering Nikon F mounts, also offer/sell their lenses in a Canon EF mount (which had to be reversed eingineered reducing the amount of lenses being offered. And Canon, I like Nikon, entered the Video market with Cine specific lenses and cameras, and some of these lenses are very good.

In the film days of photography, Nikon had the Pro still photographer market tied up, and Canon was always in second, and often third place, until they came out with some nice long zoom FD lenses for wildlife/sports photography and toward the end of the FD era, started giving Nikon a good market competition in this area.

Today (unfortunately) Caonon has pulled into the no 1 slot with the digital DSLR prosummer / pro-market, while Nikon is in the No 2 slot production number wise, but Nikon is still a better Pro shooter investment, as you get a longer shooting life and better reliability from a Nikon Pro DSLR camera.

Canon has the lower end consumer market today, hands down, while Nikon is struggling here to keep the numbers up. Mirrorless cameras from Sony, Panasonic and Olympus are starting to give the big two a run for their money, especially with cameras like the GH5, but for Pro work demanding larger sensors and higher resolution, the full frame DSLR is still king in the Pro still photography world as larger sensor cameras are in the Pro Cine world.

Even if their are more Canon lenses in use than Nikon F, I still prefer the Nikon, on the average, most Nikon lenses will optically out perform Canon EF lenses (their are some Pro CanonEF lenses that are as good, but not many in this area), the Nikon mount is a tighter specification and build tolerances are tighter, so less lens mount compatibility issues, and since Nikon is in formthe long run, a better future investment, as Nikon F can be adapted more readily to a non Nikon camera (simple mechanical adapters vs complicated, more expensive electronic EF adapters). So Nikon mount is the better investment, in my experience. Canon is more of a use it today, and toss it out tomorrow product, short life time.

For Video/Cine work, Nikon is much quicker and more precise to use on non Canon EF mount cameras than the adapted EF lenses are. PL mount is better yet, and my current mount of choice for video work. Also, Nikon lenses do not require electronic in camera correction for CA and distortion control that the other lens makers, including Canon, rely on which,is why these lenses often cost less, they are not as good optically, without digital corrections, that Nikon, Zeiss and Voightlander do not require.

Canon EF lens mount, (except for the new Cine locking EF mount, yet another change) is too sloppy, no useable witness marks, Iris needs to be set by camera, etc, for serious Video/Cine work.
But in the end, it boils down to budget and personal preferences as to which lens to use.
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Re: Nikon F Mount for URSA Mini Pro

PostWed May 17, 2017 5:09 pm

I'm eagerly anticipating the Nikon mount. Rightly or wrongly when I bought the Sigma 18-35 I went with Nikon mount. I'd just had an EF lens stop working due to electronics failure, so I thought it was worth going with a lens that wasn't relying on electronics to control the aperture.

I'm hoping the URSA Mini Pro becomes available with PL mount or Nikon as an all in one package.
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PostWed May 17, 2017 5:47 pm

It will, Dante. Never had a complaint with my Nikon F circa 1964. Sitting on a shelf now, but would be interesting to use the lens again.


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With the Sigma Dante, I think you made the correct lens mount choice -- less to go wrong, and a tigherter lens to camera interface (mount).
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is there any news when this Nikon mount is going to bee released?
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Eagerly awaiting this mount. Any further update?
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Tim Schumann wrote:Blackmagic URSA Mini Pro F Mount
$375.00 USD

As with all of our other Pro mount kits it comes with a nice padded blow moulded case, screws and a shim kit. We are aiming at August release.
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Re: Nikon F Mount for URSA Mini Pro

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Is there already a release date for the nikon mount?
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PostMon Aug 21, 2017 5:47 am

Just sometime thus month... :roll: See a Tim's comment above.
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Denny Smith wrote:Just sometime thus month... :roll: See a Tim's comment above.


Thanks mister rolling eyes, since this month's almost at its end I was wondering if they are still up to speed. But hey, thanks for your constructive comment!
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Yes, time is running out. But it will come, when it comes
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PostMon Aug 28, 2017 6:38 am

The first production units of the URSA Mini Pro F Mount will be shipping before the end of the week.
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There you go, shipping very soon. :mrgreen:
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haha yes, it came when it came :D
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Tim Schumann wrote:The first production units of the URSA Mini Pro F Mount will be shipping before the end of the week.


Is this available for pre-order/purchase anywhere yet?
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chris.white wrote:Is this available for pre-order/purchase anywhere yet?
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I checked a bunch of authorized online retailers and didn't come up with anything.
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Any update on this (or the SDI:SSD)?

Have checked with Michael's in Melbourne and they have no idea of a date.
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chris.white wrote:I checked a bunch of authorized online retailers and didn't come up with anything.
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Me too, checked with local authorised distributors and they all don't know anything, or heard anything at all. Also some of them called BlackMagic and they say that they have never released any statement regarding the official release of the Nikon mount. So what's up with this?
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PostFri Sep 01, 2017 6:31 pm

Shipping may mean the mount has left the factory in Singapore and is in transit to the regional centres fir worldwide distribution. So it might be another two weeks before retailers are going to see it. It is odd there are no preorders since the price has been announced.


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