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DNxHD DEMAND

PostFri Jun 23, 2017 4:09 pm

Since it has not been in demand, i thought i'd start a thread about it. I'd love to be able to shoot at a lower codec when RAW and ProRes is not needed for smaller projects. Just saying...
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Re: DNxHD DEMAND

PostFri Jun 23, 2017 4:35 pm

+1 for DNxHD


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Re: DNxHD DEMAND

PostFri Jun 23, 2017 5:49 pm

+1 on DNxHD, i thought that addition of dnxhd is only matter of time, not that we have to demand it... You gave the option in the menu, come on, blackmagic...
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Re: DNxHD DEMAND

PostFri Jun 23, 2017 6:07 pm

Krzysztof Gluszek wrote:+1 on DNxHD, i thought that addition of dnxhd is only matter of time, not that we have to demand it... You gave the option in the menu, come on, blackmagic...


Same here.
And please DNx in a MXF container, not MOV. So on Windows we can get rid of Quicktime.
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Re: DNxHD DEMAND

PostFri Jun 23, 2017 6:39 pm

Robert Niessner wrote:Same here.
And please DNx in a MXF container, not MOV. So on Windows we can get rid of Quicktime.

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Re: DNxHD DEMAND

PostFri Jun 23, 2017 6:51 pm

Ronan Le Meillat wrote:
Robert Niessner wrote:Same here.
And please DNx in a MXF container, not MOV. So on Windows we can get rid of Quicktime.

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Re: DNxHD DEMAND

PostFri Jun 23, 2017 7:13 pm

+1 for DNx codecs because I do have people who request that I shoot that codec if they don't want RAW. The are mainly Windows based operations, and thus why it is important.


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Re: DNxHD DEMAND

PostFri Jun 23, 2017 10:06 pm

+1. I have 5 clients here who are constantly asking for DNxHD. I thought it was on its way.
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Re: DNxHD DEMAND

PostFri Jun 23, 2017 11:08 pm

+1 That would fit perfectly in my workflow!
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Re: DNxHD DEMAND

PostFri Jun 23, 2017 11:52 pm

+1, more flexibility is always better
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PostFri Jun 23, 2017 11:53 pm

+1 Would be awesome! Moving away from apple workflow, so DNx would be perfect!
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Re: DNxHD DEMAND

PostSat Jun 24, 2017 2:02 am

+1, Flexibility is always good.
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Re: DNxHD DEMAND

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PostSat Jun 24, 2017 1:08 pm

+1, MXF.
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Re: DNxHD DEMAND

PostSat Jun 24, 2017 4:58 pm

+1, need it for client/VA4K compatibility and easy editing workflows (.mxf container would be perfect!)
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Re: DNxHD DEMAND

PostSat Jun 24, 2017 6:44 pm

+1 as well!
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Re: DNxHD DEMAND

PostSat Jun 24, 2017 10:42 pm

OK, it has been more than 24 hrs., and you only have 12 replies in favor, and 345 views? DNxHD is not exactly a high demand feature, which us what BM stated. :roll:
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Re: DNxHD DEMAND

PostSat Jun 24, 2017 11:01 pm

Denny Smith wrote:OK, it has been more than 24 hrs., and you only have 12 replies in favor, and 345 views? DNxHD is not exactly a high demand feature, which us what BM stated. :roll:
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The problem with that is, you would have to assume that each of those 345 people own an URSA Mini. I don't think many people would demand a feature for a camera they don't own, unless they're planning on buying it.
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Re: DNxHD DEMAND

PostSun Jun 25, 2017 12:32 am

Yiumaremcorrect David, the was not saying the 346 hits were from Ursa Mini users, only that the discussion was only looked at by 346 interested viewers, out of which only 12 replied they wanted or needed DNxHD Codec in the Mini. It was the 12 relies that is what I revered to as not too good a response so far. Let's see what happens over the weekend. As with any sample survey, you get one out of X responses. So if the sample was one out of 10, or even 50 represented here, you still only have 120 or 500 odd requests for DNxHD, outmof how many cameras that have been shipped?

Meanwhile, you can always hang a Hyperdeck Shuttle 2 off the back of a Ursa Mini, and record DNxHD in 1920x1080 resolution to a SSD. :roll:
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Re: DNxHD DEMAND

PostSun Jun 25, 2017 1:39 am

Clicks and likes here are fairly irreverent when it comes to judging demand. Of my clients over 80% use Avid and would prefer DNx delivery. To me that is a lot of demand for DNx., While I can live with the other formats and I can work around to deliver clients what they want I was relaxed in the knowledge that DNx was on the way.
Suddenly finding out its not, is a big deal to me and a very unpleasant surprise.
I wonder how many don't even bother clicking on topics like this thinking the gray mist will clear any update now?
From now on do we have to assume all improvements or updates will be based solely on the squeaky wheel approach?
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Re: DNxHD DEMAND

PostSun Jun 25, 2017 2:00 am

I was fortunate to be part of a conversation at Band Pro in Los Angeles.
Unfortunately through the gray fog of time I do not remember how the subject matter came up.
However I do remember the question I asked and that was how BMD was able to provide Prores for their cameras and other recording/playback devices and the answer given to me was that they were probably paying for a blanket license.
It became clear to me then that nothing happens in the business world without some money being paid to someone so that things can happen.

Maybe it is not worth the cost to BMD to license DNxHD for the few who need it.

Just a thought. :idea: :?:
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Re: DNxHD DEMAND

PostSun Jun 25, 2017 2:28 am

BM is not the only company not using DNxHD anymore, Video Devices dropped DNxHD on their video recorders, the PixE. BMs first video recorder, the Hyperdecks shuttle, had Avid codecs first (DNxHD) then added ProRes down the road. BMCC and Pocket had DNxHD also, but seems it is being currently not supported.
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Re: DNxHD DEMAND

PostSun Jun 25, 2017 4:32 am

They already have it licensed for Resolve so how much more would having it for cameras cost?
All that aside its a bit piss poor for BM to "announce" this 8 posts down in an update topic.
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Re: DNxHD DEMAND

PostSun Jun 25, 2017 4:47 am

I can't speak as to the reasons why Blackmagic hasn't implemented the DNx codec when it feels like it should be pretty straightforward. However, there may be more it than we know. That said, I think it would be a valuable addition to the camera. Not many cameras on the market are able to record DNx as well as PRORES and RAW.

As I've stated there are clients and people I know who would prefer to work in the DNx codecs. Having the option to record straight to DNx is a huge plus.

It was definitely one of the reasons I bought the BMCC 2.5K back in the day. That idea that I could shoot RAW, PRORES, and DNxHD in one camera was a dream. At the time RED only did RAW, ARRI had RAW and PRORES, and Canon had H.264 for it's DSLRs. I would love for Blackmagic to continue delivering that flexibility with their flagship cameras.

One other thing that is greyed out in the camera menu that was promised is Shutter Speed. I don't care about Shutter Speed as I prefer to use Shutter Angle. However, that is the one other thing I know was promised in Firmware 4.0 at NAB in 2016 along with the DNx codecs that has been missing since the official release. I'm thrilled however with a lot of the other updates.

If DNx could be added in the next update I know I'd be ecstatic. It would make clients and others that I work with happy as well. Once that is done I have a few ideas of updates I'd love to see that would expand upon the metadata capabilities of the slate. That's more for another thread, but you get the idea that once DNx is crossed off the list there are other updates that can only improve upon an already great camera.

My fingers are crossed that DNx does come.
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Re: DNxHD DEMAND

PostSun Jun 25, 2017 5:30 am

Leon Benzakein wrote:I was fortunate to be part of a conversation at Band Pro in Los Angeles.
Unfortunately through the gray fog of time I do not remember how the subject matter came up.
However I do remember the question I asked and that was how BMD was able to provide Prores for their cameras and other recording/playback devices and the answer given to me was that they were probably paying for a blanket license.
It became clear to me then that nothing happens in the business world without some money being paid to someone so that things can happen.

Maybe it is not worth the cost to BMD to license DNxHD for the few who need it.

Just a thought. :idea: :?:


I might be mistaken but doesn't the video assist record DNxHD? So BM would already have the licence?

I think it shouldn't be about demand but simply wanting to give the current and potentially new customers as much as possible. As others have stated not many cameras offer what BM cameras can, adding DNxHD fits right into that mantra.
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Re: DNxHD DEMAND

PostSun Jun 25, 2017 2:35 pm

Yes, please: DNxHR at least for UMP & UM.

I'd also love it if DNxHR could be added to the BMPC-4K, too. :-)

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Re: DNxHD DEMAND

PostSun Jun 25, 2017 11:24 pm

Yup! +1 for DNX
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Re: DNxHD DEMAND

PostMon Jun 26, 2017 1:55 am

+1 Yes please!!!
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PostMon Jun 26, 2017 6:17 am

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Re: DNxHD DEMAND

PostMon Jun 26, 2017 9:27 am

+1 for DnxHD & DNxHR
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Re: DNxHD DEMAND

PostMon Jun 26, 2017 1:46 pm

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Re: DNxHD DEMAND

PostMon Jun 26, 2017 9:16 pm

+1 I have it on my Atomos Shogun as well as Prores.
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Re: DNxHD DEMAND

PostTue Jun 27, 2017 1:27 am

+1

Yes please. I use DNxHD all the time on my BMCC. Very needed.
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Re: DNxHD DEMAND

PostTue Jun 27, 2017 3:31 pm

+1 here
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Re: DNxHD DEMAND

PostWed Jun 28, 2017 7:20 am

+1 from here too
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Re: DNxHD DEMAND

PostThu Jun 29, 2017 1:34 pm

+1 on DNx - please
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Re: DNxHD DEMAND

PostThu Jun 29, 2017 10:33 pm

No more excuses now that Avid has a free entry level version available: http://nofilmschool.com/2017/05/avid-fi ... r-software
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Re: DNxHD DEMAND

PostFri Jun 30, 2017 12:48 am

Well, this thread requesting DNx has hit 1000 views but only 24 yes responses, still not much of a show of hands :?
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PostFri Jun 30, 2017 10:04 am

Meaningless as the 1000 views could be repeats from a few wanting to see what stupid thing you are going to post next Denny. ;)
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Re: DNxHD DEMAND

PostFri Jun 30, 2017 6:21 pm

Thanks Stephen, you are correct on that point, and I do try to be entertaining! :roll:
That said, I do hope BM decides to include DNx codec in their new cameras, not sure why they dropped it to begin with. After all, DanxHD (Avid) was the first codec BM choose to add to their first Video Recorder, the Hyperdeck Shuttle 2, and ProRes was added in a later revision. Somewhere along the way, this got flipped, and ProRes was included first with the newer cameras, and DNxHD added later.
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PostFri Jun 30, 2017 9:26 pm

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PostFri Jun 30, 2017 10:46 pm

I'm quite happy with ProRes, but since you put it in the menu BM I will give it a +1 too.

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Re: DNxHD DEMAND

PostFri Jun 30, 2017 10:50 pm

Thanks Denny for taking my comment in the light hearted spirit it was meant. I woke up this morning thinking "Oh damn... did I really use stupid?" I really need to make sure I don't post after drinking.
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PostSat Jul 01, 2017 1:59 am

No worries Stephen, I took it as you intended, "tounge in cheek" or is it "foot in mouth" ? :roll:
No seriously, have a nice weekend and July 4th holiday, stay safe.
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Re: DNxHD DEMAND

PostSat Jul 01, 2017 10:00 am

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Re: DNxHD DEMAND

PostTue Jul 04, 2017 12:08 am

+1. Thought it was on the way.
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Re: DNxHD DEMAND

PostTue Jul 04, 2017 6:47 am

+1

Been waiting patiently for this codec forever. Never bugged BM because I thought it was on it's way.
Another unfulfilled promise?

Those of us who are PC users would benefit greatly from it.
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PostTue Jul 04, 2017 3:29 pm

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Re: DNxHD DEMAND

PostFri Aug 11, 2017 1:35 pm

As someone with a fully built PC looking to buy an URSA mini, this highly limits my options. +1!
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