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external monitor/recorder for pocket camera

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:02 am
by Brian Schuck
would there be any advatange to having a external monitor recorder for the pocket camera? trying to decide which way to go, id like to have false color and a ssd to record to but is it worth the extra money? thanks

Re: external monitor/recorder for pocket camera

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:08 am
by Uli Plank
Well, an external monitor would always be helpful, since the internal one is very weak.

With todays prices, you might as well pick one with a recorder, so you have a backup recording. If you are recording RAW, the external one could also record proxies for editing.

It all depends on how and what you shoot and if you get any ROI (emotional or financial).

Re: external monitor/recorder for pocket camera

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:12 am
by Brian Schuck
i like to shoot RAW thats why I thought it would be helplfull, i dont really need proxy as my computer handles everything very well unless there is a reason i dont know about which could be since im kinda new. what are some good recorders that hace ssd? i have seen the Atomos which arent to badly priced

Re: external monitor/recorder for pocket camera

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:27 am
by Uli Plank
I use Atomos and have no problems.

Re: external monitor/recorder for pocket camera

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:32 am
by Brian Schuck
which model did you go with, thanks

Re: external monitor/recorder for pocket camera

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 2:56 am
by Uli Plank
Got the first version Shogun, but use it in 4K too. Overkill for a Pocket, a Ninja would do.

Re: external monitor/recorder for pocket camera

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 8:57 am
by Frank Glencairn

Re: external monitor/recorder for pocket camera

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:47 pm
by Denny Smith
Or, you can combine video monitor, recorder and Audio recorder in one package with the PixE.
Cheers

Re: external monitor/recorder for pocket camera

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 9:11 pm
by Brian Schuck
what is the pixe? i googled it with no luck, thanks

Re: external monitor/recorder for pocket camera

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 11:38 pm
by Leon Benzakein
Brian Schuck wrote:what is the pixe? i googled it with no luck, thanks


Brian some info for you on the Pix-E 5" and 7" monitor

Denny if I may?

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?N ... yes&sts=ps

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?N ... yes&sts=ps

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?N ... yes&sts=ps

Re: external monitor/recorder for pocket camera

PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 11:52 pm
by Denny Smith
Of course Leon, be my guest. Also the PixE is a Video Devices PixE-5 or 7 (depending on screen size), which is a division of Sound Devices, leading audio mixers/recorders for the broadcasting world.
Cheers

Re: external monitor/recorder for pocket camera

PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 5:10 am
by Joseph Trum
I notice on these forums that relatively few people have a Blackmagic Video Assist 4K, instead choosing Atomos or other brands. Is there something I'm missing about the quality or reliability of the 7" VA that is causing people to lean away from it?

Re: external monitor/recorder for pocket camera

PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:47 am
by Uli Plank
For me it was the feature set.

Re: external monitor/recorder for pocket camera

PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 5:06 pm
by Denny Smith
I got my PixE before the VA 4K came out. I had the original VA, did not like the slight green tint, lack of ability to correct tint, otherwise it was a sold little monitor recorder, the new added features are great.

Had the VA 4K been available, I still would have gone for the Pix, due to the audio recording Supoort/flexibility to set audio delay to match video, accessory audio mixer module, and most important, longer recording times and recording media choice. The VA4K in UHD mode can only record to a few 128GB SD cards, the Pix has 240 and 480GB Speed Drives which use mSata cards.
Cheers

Re: external monitor/recorder for pocket camera

PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 2:03 am
by Uli Plank
The Shogun can even be calibrated internally. I did mine and it has really good colors.

Re: external monitor/recorder for pocket camera

PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:48 pm
by Brian Schuck
can all the atomos recorders record raw? id like to shot prores but i get much better results with raw.

Re: external monitor/recorder for pocket camera

PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 3:58 pm
by Denny Smith
No, and the camera has to be able to send raw DNG files out the SSD, which only the Ursa Mini Pro (in the BM lineup) dan do. The Pocket camera, which started this discussion, can only output FilmLog or Video Rec 709 video. Also, not mentioned, the BM VA HD is a good monitor/recorder for the Pocket camera, if you want to keep it small and simple.
Cheers

Re: external monitor/recorder for pocket camera

PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 12:15 am
by Brian Schuck
sorry for not fully understanding, so i understand you can not use raw, would you be able to you the prores? i have a 7in genaric monitor now, it works but i was looking for one that has the extra exposure help and false color, i messed around with shooting prores today and im picking up on it so i dont mind using it to get longer recording space, thanks for the help.

Re: external monitor/recorder for pocket camera

PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:46 am
by Denny Smith
Brian, you can only record Raw internally on the Pocket camera's SD card. External recording is Film Log or Video Rec 709, depending on how you set the HDMI output signal. The Video Assist, Atomos and Video Devices monitor recorders all can record ProRes codec. If you want to grade the final results, then set,the camera to output FilmLog and record it to the external video monitor recorder like the VA. All three have False Color, and other signal monitors to help with exposure.
Cheers

Re: external monitor/recorder for pocket camera

PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 2:19 am
by Brian Schuck
got it, thanks for the info