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Adam Silver

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Camera 4.5 Update

PostSun Oct 15, 2017 6:02 pm

I updated to 4.5 and shot all day yesterday. It worked as advertised for me. The audio levels stayed the same after powering the camera off and then on again. The latency was imperceptible to me, so that was nice.

Tim, there is one thing I'd love for you to address. I use a Sennheiser MKE 600 shotgun mic for most of my audio recording into the camera. When hooking this microphone up to my trusty old Canon 5D Mark III via a Beachtech pre-amp, the sound coming through to my headphones is very similar to what is recorded onto the memory card. This is also true when recording from the mic into a Zoom H6. The sound I hear through the headphones in both cases is what I expect from this microphone, very directional without hearing a lot of the noise outside of the area that I'm pointing to.

When I listen to this mic through the URSA Mini Pro, it's as if I'm using more of an omni-directional mic and picking up sound all around. It makes it very difficult to MONITOR the audio this way. I can confirm that the actual RECORDED audio is the same or better than the recording methods I describe above.

Why does the MONITORING of the audio seem to pick up so much extraneous sound, but what is recorded, is exactly as it should be?

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Re: Camera 4.5 Update

PostMon Oct 16, 2017 4:32 am

Are you not hearing the input through the internal mic at the same time?
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Re: Camera 4.5 Update

PostMon Oct 16, 2017 6:09 am

Hi Ian,

I don't believe so, since both inputs are set to XLR1.

Adam

Ian Henderson wrote:Are you not hearing the input through the internal mic at the same time?
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Re: Camera 4.5 Update

PostMon Oct 16, 2017 11:38 am

Do you hear anything if you unplug the mic?
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Re: Camera 4.5 Update

PostMon Oct 16, 2017 2:49 pm

A Shotgun mic can't change to a boundery mic based on what hardware is behind it.. So i suspect you hear more than the shotgun mic. ;)
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Re: Camera 4.5 Update

PostMon Oct 16, 2017 4:09 pm

No, I don't hear anything if I unplug the mic.

Adam

Richard Knight wrote:Do you hear anything if you unplug the mic?
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Re: Camera 4.5 Update

PostMon Oct 16, 2017 4:11 pm

I agree with you, but my ears hear what they hear. I tested this with the Canon 5D Mark III and the Zoom H6 all together on Saturday. I can't explain why it happens.

Adam

Xtreemtec wrote:A Shotgun mic can't change to a boundery mic based on what hardware is behind it.. So i suspect you hear more than the shotgun mic. ;)
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Re: Camera 4.5 Update

PostMon Oct 16, 2017 5:25 pm

The monitor amps on the UM tend to be “hollow”sounding and noisy, not indicative of the recording quality.
Record a sample test shot with the mics, and bring it into Resolve to check the audio quality.
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Re: Camera 4.5 Update

PostMon Oct 16, 2017 11:04 pm

Hi Denny,

That's exactly what I'm saying. I know the audio quality is great. You helped me say what I wanted to say. The MONITOR amps are noisy. Is there anything that can be done in firmware to bring the noise down to something that you can expect in recording?

Adam

Denny Smith wrote:The monitor amps on the UM tend to be “hollow”sounding and noisy, not indicative of the recording quality.
Record a sample test shot with the mics, and bring it into Resolve to check the audio quality.
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Re: Camera 4.5 Update

PostTue Oct 17, 2017 1:27 am

No, I do not think so, as it is a hardware issue with the monitor amps, which can not be fixed with firmware, or BM would have done so in the 4.5 update.
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Re: Camera 4.5 Update

PostTue Oct 17, 2017 1:33 am

Denny! You've ruined everything! It's all your fault. :(

Just kidding.

Adam

Denny Smith wrote:No, I do not think so, as it is a hardware issue with the monitor amps, which can not be fixed with firmware, or BM would have done so in the 4.5 update.
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Re: Camera 4.5 Update

PostTue Oct 17, 2017 1:34 am

Yea, right, like I have control of BM! :roll: Ha, ha... :lol:
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Re: Camera 4.5 Update

PostTue Oct 17, 2017 3:25 am

In all seriousness, thanks for your help! I do appreciate it.

Adam

Denny Smith wrote:Yea, right, like I have control of BM! :roll: Ha, ha... :lol:
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Re: Camera 4.5 Update

PostTue Oct 17, 2017 4:36 pm

You are welcome Adam. Have a great week
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Re: Camera 4.5 Update

PostTue Oct 17, 2017 7:09 pm

Denny Smith wrote:Yea, right, like I have control of BM! :roll: Ha, ha... :lol:
Cheers

Maybe you should.. :D ** Might be interesting.. haha
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Re: Camera 4.5 Update

PostWed Oct 18, 2017 9:55 pm

Thanks Daniel, but you would be a better candidate. :roll:
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