SO IS THE ORIGINAL MFT DEAD OR ALIVE?

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Re: SO IS THE ORIGINAL MFT DEAD OR ALIVE?

PostThu Apr 11, 2013 5:19 am

I'm pretty sure it will be the same sensor, blackmagic are obviously happy with the supplier now as they are using either the same sensor or another sensor of the same design from the same manufacturer in the Pocket Cam.

The Production Cam has a different model sensor, rumors are that its sourced from a different company and therefore will have different characteristics.

They wouldn't have created the pocketcam if the sensor manufacturer was a bottleneck any longer.

Still they must be about ready to ship the MFT models. With the upgradability a second hand FS700 is looking pretty atractive at the moment. Hopefully everyone waiting for an MFT model has cancelled their order and moved on to the Production Cam or Pocket Cam so the queue will be nice and short.
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PostThu Apr 11, 2013 7:45 pm

not dead.. but in coma
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PostFri Apr 12, 2013 6:01 pm

To update myself on my previous post in this thread (and anyone that had similar concerns): It looks like my first concern has sort of been addressed by Grant in the Marco Solorio interview. Great to hear that there are definite plans to offer compressed for the BMCC.

@rick.lang Thanks for the reply to my comments. Just to clarify, I wasn't hoping for the impossible feat of MFT on a sensor that's too big for it. But as you outlined as well, I was just stating that I hope all three "formats" will continue to live in future Blackmagic camera developments. I personally really like the MFT(-ish) sensor size in between S35 and S16.
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PostSat Apr 13, 2013 5:59 am

actually speedbooster for mft won't be ready till august according to metabones. :cry:

josechu wrote:
javierdpvelez wrote:Had a friend over at NAB ask a BM rep about the MFT shipment- said should be moving through the backlog "soon." Means it will come at some point. When? Who knows, but at least it is not cancelled.

he have been hearing that the camera will ship soon for quite some time ....
The mft speedbooster was going to be out this month and recently pospone until june.... they may be waitting to release it at the same time than the mft camera... are we not going to see it untill june?
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PostTue Apr 16, 2013 10:25 pm

Read on another forum that the MFT model has started shipping in small quantities with production ramping up shortly.

http://www.personal-view.com/talks/disc ... ries-2/p31
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PostTue Apr 16, 2013 10:51 pm

Ryan McCarvill wrote:Read on another forum that the MFT model has started shipping in small quantities with production ramping up shortly.

http://www.personal-view.com/talks/disc ... ries-2/p31


I looked there, but it could just be a rumor. We know that a few beta version BMCC-MFT cams are in use for some weeks.

Until someone from BMD confirms it, or multiple credible reports start appearing all over, it's probably a rumor.

Meanwhile, I hope the BMCC-MFT starts shipping very soon, and also that folks waiting for BMCC-EF & BMCC-MFT cams get their's ASAP.

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PostWed Apr 17, 2013 8:17 pm

The silence about the MFT is still unexplained.

Will ship soon in small numbers, when?
Beta testing still, why?
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PostThu Apr 18, 2013 12:29 pm

Soooo... I got a call from a certain retailer telling me that they should have my MFT model in-hand today or tomorrow :D
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PostThu Apr 18, 2013 4:23 pm

Mindsphere wrote:Soooo... I got a call from a certain retailer telling me that they should have my MFT model in-hand today or tomorrow :D

please let us know about it
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PostThu Apr 18, 2013 4:45 pm

Mindsphere wrote:Soooo... I got a call from a certain retailer telling me that they should have my MFT model in-hand today or tomorrow :D


That sounds fantastic!

Which country?

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PostThu Apr 18, 2013 5:21 pm

Don't get excited.
We've had several false alarms in the past. They turned out to be EFs, not MFTs.

I would hope the BMD would make some sort of an announcement when they started shipping MFTs.

(Also, I hope they are postponing shipping because they are trying to implement an active mount.)
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PostThu Apr 18, 2013 5:28 pm

as long as they don´t change the sensor!
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Peter J. DeCrescenzo wrote:
Ryan McCarvill wrote:Read on another forum that the MFT model has started shipping in small quantities with production ramping up shortly.

http://www.personal-view.com/talks/disc ... ries-2/p31


I looked there, but it could just be a rumor. We know that a few beta version BMCC-MFT cams are in use for some weeks.

Until someone from BMD confirms it, or multiple credible reports start appearing all over, it's probably a rumor.

Meanwhile, I hope the BMCC-MFT starts shipping very soon, and also that folks waiting for BMCC-EF & BMCC-MFT cams get their's ASAP.

Cheers.


Just to clarify, that was my post and it is not a rumor but an actual response I got from Josh Turner "Technical Support Consultant at Blackmagic Design EMEA". I'm not blaming you though, I'm also having a very hard time trusting any claim BM makes..
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PostThu Apr 18, 2013 10:27 pm

Mindsphere wrote:Soooo... I got a call from a certain retailer telling me that they should have my MFT model in-hand today or tomorrow :D

I believe this is another false alarm. Just received confirmation from the product manager that no MFT cameras have shipped yet, except to the beta testers. A few other customers have posted in the past few weeks believing they were about to receive an MFT camera, but it was actually a mixup with the reseller and they were sent an EF camera. Maybe that's what happened here again?
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PostThu Apr 18, 2013 10:35 pm

Hi Christine,

Is it possible to give some sort of shipping date? Even the recently announced cameras have a date of July whereas the MFT camera is an unknown.
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PostFri Apr 19, 2013 2:48 am

Christine Peterson wrote:
Mindsphere wrote:Soooo... I got a call from a certain retailer telling me that they should have my MFT model in-hand today or tomorrow :D

I believe this is another false alarm. Just received confirmation from the product manager that no MFT cameras have shipped yet, except to the beta testers. A few other customers have posted in the past few weeks believing they were about to receive an MFT camera, but it was actually a mixup with the reseller and they were sent an EF camera. Maybe that's what happened here again?


Hmm.. That's depressing. Maybe one slipped through the system somehow? (I know that's ridiculously unrealistic if the product manager says nothing has shipped) And I still haven't got a call from them yet to process final payment so I'm guessing they haven't received stock. :(
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PostFri Apr 19, 2013 5:06 am

Finaly some confirmation!
NO MFTs SHIPPED!
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PostFri Apr 19, 2013 8:10 am

Christine Peterson wrote:
Mindsphere wrote:Soooo... I got a call from a certain retailer telling me that they should have my MFT model in-hand today or tomorrow :D

I believe this is another false alarm. Just received confirmation from the product manager that no MFT cameras have shipped yet, except to the beta testers. A few other customers have posted in the past few weeks believing they were about to receive an MFT camera, but it was actually a mixup with the reseller and they were sent an EF camera. Maybe that's what happened here again?


Followup to my previous comment - yep looks like the retailer made a mistake and was told the wrong thing by someone. Siiiiigh.

Christine, just wondering - as you are able to get a confirmation from the product manager that it hasn't shipped, are you able to get an indication of when it will ship? I mean, are we talking weeks or months? Because if it's months I may just pick up the EF model. Would greatly appreciate clarification on this as I'm sure many others would as well. Some information - even if it's hazy - is better than no indication at all.
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PostFri Apr 19, 2013 9:46 am

bartman wrote:Finaly some confirmation!
NO MFTs SHIPPED!


Given BMDs policy so far is to update us when there is a change, that is not news, that is what we already knew....
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PostSun Apr 21, 2013 11:31 pm

I'm hoping we start hearing about shipping this week - someone said that it was shipping a week after NAB - although I haven't read that anywhere officially.
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PostMon Apr 22, 2013 4:20 pm

Lets hope so!
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PostMon Apr 22, 2013 5:00 pm

Yeah, I know . . . I'm a dreamer, but I hope we don't hear anything until they announce that they're shipping an ACTIVE M43 mount. Not an original idea . . . people have suggested this before but:
While it won't cover the 4K it will cover the 2.7k.
Would make the choice for the 2.7 between two active mounts at the same price.
You could still adapt the same lenses as one would have used on the "dumb" mount, and more.
They're already going with an active m43 on the pocket cam so *I think* that makes it a no-brainer on the original, the 2.7k version . . .

Call it "Christmas in JULY" . . . everybody wins!

Anyhow, my guess is this is where it's going and, in the spirit of not upsetting the folks that don't want anything new (that isn't already shipping in massive quanities) to be announced, the silence should satisfy them on that count. (then of course there will always be people that didn't install the latest firmware upgrade to their crystal ball and will complain about not knowing about it light years ahead of time) :lol:
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PostMon Apr 22, 2013 6:15 pm

Good guess! but for me "the best glass is manual"

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PostMon Apr 22, 2013 6:34 pm

dregenthal wrote:Yeah, I know . . . I'm a dreamer, but I hope we don't hear anything until they announce that they're shipping an ACTIVE M43 mount. Not an original idea . . . people have suggested this before but:

The beta testers already have the passive mount.
BMC don't need to update us every step of the way, just like any other camera company. Once they've tweaked whatever they needed from the feedback of the beta testing, they'll just announce and ship it in my opinion, without any fanfare.

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PostMon Apr 22, 2013 9:45 pm

The thing is this, they don't need to update us every step of the way - however - they are now in the position where they have been building the EF cameras and shipping them very regularly, they have announced two new models with release dates. They should know an updated release date on the MFT model.

People are putting off other purchases in order to get this.

On another forum they are saying that the MFT model was supposed to be shipping the week after NAB, it's now the week after the week after NAB - maybe we will see them shipped?
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PostMon Apr 22, 2013 10:15 pm

Any shipped?
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PostMon Apr 22, 2013 11:00 pm

BMCC EF orders from July 2012 have still not shipped in Europe.
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PostMon Apr 22, 2013 11:21 pm

Should only be a matter of time I would have thought - seems like the rest of the world has caught up.

Regardless the EF camera is available, even if you order it in from overseas. The MFT camera is 6 months late and is still not available anywhere.
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PostTue Apr 23, 2013 3:33 am

We gave up and finally cancelled our orders for the BMCC MFT. Hope it helps others in line. We'll wait and see if they start shipping anything that works and go from there.
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PostTue Apr 23, 2013 10:05 pm

One thing I've noticed is that where it used to say "Available December" it now says find a reseller:

http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/product ... emacamera/

In fact I can't find reference to the MFT not shipping yet at all.

Before the 9th it was saying Shipping in December and the EF model was saying Limited shipping.
http://web.archive.org/web/201304061901 ... emacamera/
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PostWed Apr 24, 2013 2:25 pm

John Brawley wrote:


I disagree.

jb


Mft pasive.. so i can´t use many lenses i have
need for external battery solution.. i need to invest a lot more
that makes BMCC MFT about 4 times more expensive than this one
i can buy 4 pocket cameras with the same money!!
And i can use my eclair acl lenses!!!

well... indeed i can not buy any of them.. becuase Blackamgic cameras never arrive..so probably pocket camera will also dead before arrival

You can tell me about the 2,5k.. but the best use i´ve seen from BMCC is a this long feature shoot on prores..

soooo..
could they have shoot it with the pocket one?
i think the answer is yes
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PostWed Apr 24, 2013 2:27 pm

Fulgencio wrote:Mft pasive.. so i can´t use many lenses i have
need for external battery solution.. i need to invest a lot more
that makes BMCC MFT about 4 times more expensive than this one
i can buy 4 pocket cameras with the same money!!
And i can use my eclair acl lenses!!!

well... indeed i can not buy any of them.. becuase Blackamgic cameras never arrive..so probably pocket camera will also dead before arrival

You can tell me about the 2,5k.. but the best use i´ve seen from BMCC is a this long feature shoot on prores..

soooo..
could they have shoot it with the pocket one?
i think the answer is yes

If you'd like to switch your order from the BMCC MFT to the Pocket Cinema Camera, I'm sure your reseller would be able to assist you.
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PostWed Apr 24, 2013 2:28 pm

Yet it has a lot more resolution.

It depends what is important for you.

I think the pocket is too small to use for studio style drama use. No HDSDI for monitoring either. No RAW yet...

it depends what you need.

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PostWed Apr 24, 2013 2:37 pm

John Brawley wrote:Yet it has a lot more resolution.

It depends what is important for you.

I think the pocket is too small to use for studio style drama use. No HDSDI for monitoring either. No RAW yet...

it depends what you need.

jb


Sorry.. i forgot about the hdmi output... i can get cheaper EVF
aspect ratio is S16mm i have already shoot 2 long feature films with this format and never heard a complaint
resolution is 1080p.. well.. George Lucas shoot a few features with this "poor" resolution
i´m not a pretentious guy, so if it is good enough for George.. maybe it is good enough for me.. i guess
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PostWed Apr 24, 2013 8:18 pm

This was just passed on to me,
and came from blackmagic support yesterday:

I can tell you that we are getting closer to shipping as the Beta versions have gone out to our testers a month or so ago. Unfortunately I do not have any information other than that, no estimates on shipping dates or anything like that. I do understand your frustration and will make that clear to the product manager but I simply do not have any shipping information on the MFT Cinema Camera right now.
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PostWed Apr 24, 2013 10:27 pm

I'm giving them 1 more week for information then buying the GH3.

Bird in hand and all.
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PostThu Apr 25, 2013 6:20 pm

Already own the GH3 to play with while I wait for my BMCC. Properly used, it can output fantastic footage. IMO, all of these cameras output stunning video. I have no doubt in my mind that the Blackmagic cinema will be even better which is why I'm not canceling my order. From a low budget standpoint, both these cameras should work well together as a pair.

The beauty of this all is that companies like Blackmagic are leveling the playing field. You don't have to be rich to shoot beautiful images anymore. Now it just boils down to who has the talent. And thankfully, that will always be is short supply. The Blackmagics and Panasonics of the world are my heroes!
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PostThu Apr 25, 2013 8:00 pm

How does the GH3 codec hold up? I'm not so much concerned about the Moire problems as I've seen plenty of those to know that it is an issue, more with the way it handles blocks of colours and mud in the shadows.

I'm hoping that the BMCC arrives in time, however I need to start testing a camera for a project in a couple of weeks, unfortunately I can't really justify buying both the GH3 and BMCC but I need to test one, and can't postpone things any more.

I might get the BMCCPC for shots which require more DR, however I would be pretty cautious about relying on Blackmagic in the future.

And before people start saying that you shouldn't rely on a camera that isn't released yet, bare in mind that I switched my order in October and this camera was supposed to be released in December, on the BM website there isn't any reference to it not being released at all. So these tests were booked 5 months after the camera was supposed to be shipping.
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PostFri Apr 26, 2013 12:28 am

Honestly, I wouldn't do a long shot with large dark areas with either of these cameras, though the BMCC should resolve better.
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PostFri Apr 26, 2013 12:29 am

Vimeo has pretty good examples of both. Just make sure to download the files in full res vs. seeing them on the web (compressed). Google is our friend.
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PostFri Apr 26, 2013 2:12 am

Yeah I've seen them on Vimeo, but just wondering what real world experience is like.
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PostFri Apr 26, 2013 2:28 pm

If I keep it at or below ISO 1600, image looks great. So paired with the right lens it yields good performance. I've done some test shots in my home at night and it can definitely capture what I'd consider an image relatively similar to the eye with minimal noise.
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PostSat Apr 27, 2013 8:51 am

Decided to grab the GH3 and will eventually get the Pocket Camera for shots that require the latitude. Hopefully the GH3 is hacked to give it a bit more oomph.

Works out at about the same price as the BMCC.

Not waiting for the BMCC is gonna be kind of weird, been something that I've been doing for so long.

If I had my BMCC I'm sure that I would love it, but it was time to move on.

The good news for everyone else is that now that I have cancelled my order it will inevitably be released next week.
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PostSat Apr 27, 2013 9:30 am

The good news for everyone else is that now that I have cancelled my order it will inevitably be released next week.


Thanks.
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PostSat Apr 27, 2013 12:08 pm

I hope they update us on the MFT situation from here till the first of May, I just hope so... :cry:
please BMD have some mercy we've been waiting double the effort of EF costumers
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Here here!
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