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Mosaic Engineering OLPF

PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:31 pm
by Ric Murray
I placed an order for the Mosaic OLPF before Christmas last year (2017) and received an email confirming my order. I have not heard anything since. Phone calls and emails requesting more info about possible delivery dates have gone unanswered. Anybody heard anything about this product or Mosaic's general health & welfare?

Re: Mosaic Engineering OLPF

PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:50 pm
by Tommaso Alvisi
Communication is VERY SPOTTY...not their strength for sure...

Re: Mosaic Engineering OLPF

PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:27 pm
by Mattias Kristiansson
I also pre-ordered, and I'm also starting to wonder about this.
Actually I ordered it mostly as it seems to solve the UM46K IR issues once and for all.

Re: Mosaic Engineering OLPF

PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:00 am
by Dmitry Shijan
I ordered Mosaic OLPF 2 for BMMCC in Summer and next wait about 3 months before it was shipped. But that time delays where explained by some technical problems in components supply. I send them emails few times but communication was very very slow.
All that time their UM4/6K filter was available in their store but people who contacted Mosaic talk that in reality that filter wasn't ready yet.
If they don't respond try to email again in few weeks.

Re: Mosaic Engineering OLPF

PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 3:24 am
by rick.lang
Often supply delays and third-party contractors relate to these delays rather than any apparent lack of effort on the part of your manufacturer. Mosaic may prefer not to identify the things that are out of their control. Small manufacturers have a very hard time managing their project timelines. Not likely an issue when you become a a Canon or Sony but that’s one of the costs of innovation for small entrepreneurs. We might prefer that products not be announced until they’re ready to ship, but the manufacturer needs to announce ahead of that to gauge the volumes they produce.


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Re: Mosaic Engineering OLPF

PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:44 pm
by Ric Murray
Often supply delays and third-party contractors relate to these delays rather than any apparent lack of effort on the part of your manufacturer. Mosaic may prefer not to identify the things that are out of their control.


I really am not interested in the issues or reasons why the filter is delayed. I just think that if one has invested $500 in the first run of this product, the courtesy of a reply would be appreciated. Is that asking too much?

Re: Mosaic Engineering OLPF

PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:13 pm
by silvio bonomi
...same here. I've place an order on 30 April 2017 for URSA MINI 4,6. Several e-mails for requesting updates on the status of the order, a couple of answers with vague types of excuses but at today nothing. A strange way of doing business...

silvio bonomi

Re: Mosaic Engineering OLPF

PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:28 pm
by rick.lang
Ric, I agree with what you’re saying. To me the vendor needs to responds to status queries when they have no expectations of fulfilling an order in a timely manner.


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Mosaic Engineering OLPF

PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:33 pm
by rick.lang
Silvio, deleted my reply now I’m awake. I must have written that message in my sleep.


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Re: Mosaic Engineering OLPF

PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:31 pm
by silvio bonomi
...no Sorry RICK !! I refer to an order for a Mosaic OLPF for an URSA MINI 4,6...

silvio bonomi

Re: Mosaic Engineering OLPF

PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:58 am
by rick.lang
Thanks, Silvio. I’ll delete my post!


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Re: Mosaic Engineering OLPF

PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:21 am
by Ryan Earl
I bought a filter for the micro cinema camera from Mosaic in 2017 with a really fast delivery time of a few days. I emailed him ahead of ordering and waited until he confirmed the filter was in stock. It seems like a one to two man operation on the administration side so it’s best to contact them ahead of ordering.


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Mosaic Engineering OLPF

PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:21 pm
by rick.lang
Sage advice, Ryan. With all the online stores where it’s so easy to click a few buttons to order something, we tend to forget in most companies not called Amazon, there is a human handling the sales and possibly another human handling the stock. I always have talked to the human who can be very helpful and attentive to the equipment order when you place it. Always, whether it’s a lowly eye cushion or the camera itself. Sales like to talk to you at every gear vendor I’ve considered.

How else would you learn that the Rokinon 16mm T2.2 APS-C lens covers Super 35 while the 10mm does not (before you buy)?


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Re: Mosaic Engineering OLPF

PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 1:34 pm
by Ric Murray
Has anyone heard anything on this product? I have requested a refund today, as it has been about a year and I have not heard anything about the order.

Re: Mosaic Engineering OLPF

PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 5:54 am
by Uli Plank
They seem to have pretty much disappeared.
But there is Rawlite from Holland, which I can wholeheartedly recommend. I tested it on the UM46P.

Re: Mosaic Engineering OLPF

PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:08 am
by Liam O'Brien
Uli Plank wrote:They seem to have pretty much disappeared.
But there is Rawlite from Holland, which I can wholeheartedly recommend. I tested it on the UM46P.


I was just looking into both Mosaic Engineering and Rawlite for the OLPF.

Is it possible to fit the Rawlite OLPF on the Ursa Mini 4.6K EF (non-Pro model)?

Re: Mosaic Engineering OLPF

PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 11:21 am
by Uli Plank
No idea, but please contact them. Other than Mosiac they tend to react quite soon!

http://rawlite.com

Re: Mosaic Engineering OLPF

PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 1:18 pm
by Liam O'Brien
Uli Plank wrote:No idea, but please contact them. Other than Mosiac they tend to react quite soon!


I contacted Rawlite and Hans replied very quickly.

For anybody else who's interested, Rawlite do offer their UMP OLPF for the non-Pro Ursa Mini models, and they come with a shim and tools for installation. Rawlite are currently working on a redesign of their website, so this information isn't currently listed. But if you email them they can process the order and payment via PayPal. The price is the same as for the UMP version - USD$425.00 + USD$50.00 for shipping outside of Europe.

Re: Mosaic Engineering OLPF

PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 5:52 pm
by rick.lang
Thanks, Liam. Something to add to the wishlist.


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Re: Mosaic Engineering OLPF

PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 12:16 am
by lee4ever
Man, the price is just outrageously much too high! Is it diamond? :roll:

Re: Mosaic Engineering OLPF

PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 3:08 pm
by Robert Niessner
lee4ever wrote:Man, the price is just outrageously much too high! Is it diamond? :roll:


Then make your own one and tell us how much time went into it and how much the production will cost for a low volume product

Re: Mosaic Engineering OLPF

PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:50 pm
by Yuri Gagarin
Coop with BMD would bring less pricing and more happy users.
Factory absence of an olpf on these cameras is a deal breaker for me.

Re: Mosaic Engineering OLPF

PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2019 2:37 am
by Uli Plank
Well, then buy a camera with an OLPF. But if it should be a Sony, don't buy anything but the Venice, the others have lousy OLPFs. Arri and Red are good, though, and Red's OLPFs are cheap, around 295,- US only.

Re: Mosaic Engineering OLPF

PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2019 4:15 am
by lee4ever
Robert Niessner wrote:
lee4ever wrote:Man, the price is just outrageously much too high! Is it diamond? :roll:


Then make your own one and tell us how much time went into it and how much the production will cost for a low volume product

Come on, for the money I could hire a private optician and at the end I would still have money for a e.g. BMMCC.

There is no justification for the money demanded. It's outrageously expensive, And yes, there is a much cheaper alternative:
http://optics-online.com/lpf.asp

Or:

Re: Mosaic Engineering OLPF

PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2019 4:30 am
by lee4ever
Yuri Gagarin wrote:Coop with BMD would bring less pricing and more happy users.
Factory absence of an olpf on these cameras is a deal breaker for me.


You buy half a camera.
without OLPF
without a good mic.
without good battery
etc.
paid e.g. 1000$

And if you buy all that's missing, exaggerate said: $3,000
After all, much less than buying a RED or Arri.

Re: Mosaic Engineering OLPF

PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2019 8:44 am
by Uli Plank
lee4ever wrote:And yes, there is a much cheaper alternative:
http://optics-online.com/lpf.asp


Get one and tell us about your results.

Re: Mosaic Engineering OLPF

PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2019 12:17 pm
by lee4ever
Uli Plank wrote:Get one and tell us about your results.


I don't need it.

Re: Mosaic Engineering OLPF

PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2019 1:41 pm
by Ric Murray
Finally got someone on the phone at Mosaic and they had actually refunded my Paypal payment when they could't deliver in a timely fashion. They just neglected to notify me. Shooting with my UMP4.6K and PCC4k happily without an OLPF and both look fine.

Re: Mosaic Engineering OLPF

PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2019 5:03 pm
by Uli Plank
With 4K or more moiré is less critical than with HD, only really good lenses resolve so well that it becomes visible. Some of mine did until I got the filter.

Re: Mosaic Engineering OLPF

PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 12:23 am
by Yuri Gagarin
Uli Plank wrote:Well, then buy a camera with an OLPF. But if it should be a Sony, don't buy anything but the Venice, the others have lousy OLPFs. Arri and Red are good, though, and Red's OLPFs are cheap, around 295,- US only.

Thanks, just trying to get better bang from some oldgen BMD cameras i already using.
Not a Sony user either. Waiting for some new advanced camera iterations from BMD
with an olpf as an option.

Re: Mosaic Engineering OLPF

PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:37 am
by Tommaso Alvisi
Uli Plank wrote:With 4K or more moiré is less critical than with HD, only really good lenses resolve so well that it becomes visible. Some of mine did until I got the filter.


Uli is totally right!

But nowadays high resolving power is readily available in lenses so in studio shoots and closed down moiré can be a real problem even with the 4.6K in my experience...an OLPF is a must for me imho...

Re: Mosaic Engineering OLPF

PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 10:24 am
by Liam O'Brien
Uli Plank wrote:... Some of mine did until I got the filter.


Just to clarify, Uli - you're talking about the Rawlite OLPF? You got one for your UMP and it was worth it?

Re: Mosaic Engineering OLPF

PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 11:20 am
by Uli Plank
Yes, absolutely. I saw moiré with my Zeiss lenses and the Sigma 18-35mm too. Other than claimed by some, BRaw didn't cure it.

This is BRaw at the highest quality without OLPF:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/s24mxreh57xy6 ... F.png?dl=0

And this is an uncompressed DNG with the OLPF:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/32k69wow5peau ... F.png?dl=0

Re: Mosaic Engineering OLPF

PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 11:36 am
by Liam O'Brien
Great comparison stills, Uli. You can clearly see the difference between the two. Thanks for sharing!

Re: Mosaic Engineering OLPF

PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 12:19 pm
by Tommaso Alvisi
Thanks Uli for sharing!!!

Re: Mosaic Engineering OLPF

PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 12:43 pm
by Uli Plank
You are welcome. With the Rawlite the UM46P can take on all kinds of scenes ;-)