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Re: BMPCC4k Firmware Wishlist

PostSat Apr 14, 2018 5:50 pm

Piotr Naumowicz wrote:- battery safe mode thats turn off the screen on standby mode


The Panasonic GH4 had a similar feature. Something of a Sleep mode when no buttons were pressed after a time. Powering back up from Sleep was much quicker than from Off. This allowed me to extend the battery without thinking about it, and still be ready in a hurry when needed.

This would be a nice addition to the P4K as well.
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Re: BMPCC4k Firmware Wishlist

PostSun Apr 15, 2018 11:34 am

WI-FI Monitoring and control ( start stop, iso, shutter ecc.ecc.) with a dedicated app. on iPad or IPhone.

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Re: BMPCC4k Firmware Wishlist

PostSun Apr 15, 2018 11:42 am

silvio bonomi wrote:WI-FI Monitoring and control ( start stop, iso, shutter ecc.ecc.) with a dedicated app. on iPad or IPhone.

silvio bonomi



I fear without Wifi hardare, this is not a "Firmware Wishlist". ;)
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Re: BMPCC4k Firmware Wishlist

PostSun Apr 15, 2018 1:05 pm

There is Bluetooth support so I'll suggest Bluetooth monitoring and controls. It could resolve some of the concerns about the lack of flip screen.

From the product page:
Pocket Cinema Camera 4K has an MFT lens mount, built-in microphones, mini XLR input, full sized HDMI, 3D LUT support, Bluetooth, USB-C Expansion Port and more

You also get lots of mounting points, a mini XLR input with phantom power, Bluetooth control and more.

DR output via HDMI, metadata entry, custom presets, extended video format, Bluetooth remote control, external timecode from the audio input, RAW recording and more!

You can control the camera remotely via Bluetooth to start and stop recording as needed and to change settings. That means you can shoot in dangerous situations without having to be too close! If you're shooting yourself, the front mounted record button and tally light makes it super easy to confirm that the camera is on and recording!

For wireless connectivity and control, you can even use Bluetooth, as well as customizing your own control solutions with the Blackmagic Bluetooth control developer SDK!

You can even enter the slate information wirelessly via Bluetooth from an iPad using the Blackmagic Camera Control application!


Let's hope it can receive live video.
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Re: BMPCC4k Firmware Wishlist

PostSun Apr 15, 2018 1:58 pm

Live video via Bluetooth? No way!
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Re: BMPCC4k Firmware Wishlist

PostSun Apr 15, 2018 3:29 pm

I only saw two mounting points, same as the original pocket, are there more?
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Re: BMPCC4k Firmware Wishlist

PostSun Apr 15, 2018 6:06 pm

The ability to update the firmware of Panasonic lenses thought the BMPCC4K.
May not be possible but I'd like to see it since Panasonic does update the firmware of their lenses now and then and, sans Panasonic camera, we're stuck with issues at the time of purchase.
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Re: BMPCC4k Firmware Wishlist

PostSun Apr 15, 2018 6:13 pm

MarcusWolschon wrote:Live video via Bluetooth? No way!


Someone somewhere someway
Video over Wireless BluetoothTM Technology
Ben Smith
Department of Electronics and Computer Science University of Southampton

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/do ... 1&type=pdf

There's apps like this on iOS and Android
https://myspybot.com
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Re: BMPCC4k Firmware Wishlist

PostMon Apr 16, 2018 12:47 am

It would be cool to be able to remove the ir filter (however its done) like on the eva1. I guess that isnt a firmware update though. :lol:
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Re: BMPCC4k Firmware Wishlist

PostMon Apr 16, 2018 4:00 pm

Willem Timmersma wrote:An anamorphic mode would be great.


Anamorophic mode would definitely be FANTASTIC
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Re: BMPCC4k Firmware Wishlist

PostTue Apr 17, 2018 1:20 am

Not sure if it was mentioned or not but i would love the option to shoot a backup video track on the second card. For example shotting raw on the cfast or external hdd and recird a prores file on the sd card. This would eliminate the need for an external recorder.

Ps. I know you can record odd frames on one card and even on the other on the UM but you only have 30fps max if one fails.
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Re: BMPCC4k Firmware Wishlist

PostTue Apr 17, 2018 6:41 pm

And if you really tried to use that surviving card with only the odd or even frames, Resolve doesn’t like it. I assumed you’d need to run a utility to make all filenames sequentially ascending (no gaps).


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Re: BMPCC4k Firmware Wishlist

PostTue Apr 17, 2018 6:43 pm

rick.lang wrote:And if you really tried to use that surviving card with only the odd or even frames, Resolve doesn’t like it. I assumed you’d need to run a utility to make all filenames sequentially ascending (no gaps).


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Duplicate them.
Else the audio does not match and everything happens twice as fast.
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Re: BMPCC4k Firmware Wishlist

PostTue Apr 17, 2018 7:20 pm

Craig Seeman wrote:
MarcusWolschon wrote:Live video via Bluetooth? No way!


Someone somewhere someway
Video over Wireless BluetoothTM Technology
Ben Smith
Department of Electronics and Computer Science University of Southampton

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/do ... 1&type=pdf


Craig, hope you have read the paper...
Theoretical maximum of 721Kbit/s - in the best case scenario. The error correction in the stream eats 30% of the available bandwidth, that leaves us with ~0,5 MBit/s. That will be a nice blurry 320x240 live video stream.
Someone must add the MP4 h264 encoder into the camera, write a QoS protocol with an intelligent bit-rate control. Someone has to implement this into the mobile phone apps.

Guess that won't happen.
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Re: BMPCC4k Firmware Wishlist

PostTue Apr 17, 2018 7:26 pm

Radu Vaidean wrote:Not sure if it was mentioned or not but i would love the option to shoot a backup video track on the second card. For example shotting raw on the cfast or external hdd and recird a prores file on the sd card. This would eliminate the need for an external recorder.


John Brawley has stated that this won't be possible. The reason is, that the camera reboots into whatever recording mode you choose and reconfigures its FPGAs for that. So it is either RAW or ProRes (or DNxHR).
That is also the reason why in playback mode you can only see the current format your camera has booted into.
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Re: BMPCC4k Firmware Wishlist

PostTue Apr 17, 2018 8:03 pm

MarcusWolschon wrote:
rick.lang wrote:And if you really tried to use that surviving card with only the odd or even frames, Resolve doesn’t like it. I assumed you’d need to run a utility to make all filenames sequentially ascending (no gaps).


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Duplicate them.
Else the audio does not match and everything happens twice as fast.


Marcus, duplicate and rename sequentially ascending if you wanted to stay with a 60 fps Timeline. But motion might seem awkward. Just rename and go with 30 fps Timeline and retime audio?


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Re: BMPCC4k Firmware Wishlist

PostTue Apr 17, 2018 8:13 pm

rick.lang wrote:
MarcusWolschon wrote:
rick.lang wrote:And if you really tried to use that surviving card with only the odd or even frames, Resolve doesn’t like it. I assumed you’d need to run a utility to make all filenames sequentially ascending (no gaps).


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Duplicate them.
Else the audio does not match and everything happens twice as fast.


Marcus, duplicate and rename sequentially ascending if you wanted to stay with a 60 fps Timeline. But motion might seem awkward. Just rename and go with 30 fps Timeline and retime audio?


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I don't recall a metadata -file that stores common information like the fps in an editable format.
I suspected that would be a duration value in each DNG file.
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Re: BMPCC4k Firmware Wishlist

PostWed Apr 18, 2018 11:13 am

Good to know, it will be capable of shooting stills.
Hope it will also be capable of AE Bracketing, for shooting HDRI's.
This will be extremely handy for , low/no budget indie vfx work. Thanks.
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Re: BMPCC4k Firmware Wishlist

PostWed Apr 18, 2018 7:26 pm

Robert Niessner wrote:RAW or ProRes (or DNxHR).


Oooh. I'd love to have DNxHR MXF files as an option. That gives me two non-QuickTime recording choices.
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Re: BMPCC4k Firmware Wishlist

PostThu Apr 19, 2018 12:44 am

Marcus, when you load Media in Resolve and it’s a different fps than the Timeline, Resolve asks you what you want to do. So somewhere it knows how you recorded it. At least that’s happened to me several times. I don’t know the internals, but I think I know the use case.


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Re: BMPCC4k Firmware Wishlist

PostThu Apr 19, 2018 8:29 am

yelenagina wrote:Good to know, it will be capable of shooting stills.
Hope it will also be capable of AE Bracketing, for shooting HDRI's.
This will be extremely handy for , low/no budget indie vfx work. Thanks.



Can a BM staff reply/comment on the above. Thanks.
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Re: BMPCC4k Firmware Wishlist

PostThu Apr 19, 2018 6:29 pm

yelenagina wrote:
yelenagina wrote:Good to know, it will be capable of shooting stills.
Hope it will also be capable of AE Bracketing, for shooting HDRI's.
This will be extremely handy for , low/no budget indie vfx work. Thanks.



Can a BM staff reply/comment on the above. Thanks.



At B&H site there's a BMD person responding to questions. Generally response is same day.
I've started a thread to post the responses
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=72674

Go over to B&H BMPCC4K product page.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/ ... ra_4k.html
Click on Q&A
On the right you'll see a box that says What's Your Question
Questions answered by BMD staff are tagged Blackmagic Design Expert
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Re: BMPCC4k Firmware Wishlist

PostThu Apr 19, 2018 8:09 pm

Noting that regarding Continuous AutoFocus, BMD official response is that they are looking into it. You'll see that on my B&H BMD Expert Answers thread.
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Re: BMPCC4k Firmware Wishlist

PostThu Apr 19, 2018 8:34 pm

Craig, I wouldn't get my hopes up. If BM does implement auto focus its gonna be on a fixed point, it is unlikely to have face or eye detection or object tracking. If they were planning for such a thing they would have mentioned it.
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Re: BMPCC4k Firmware Wishlist

PostThu Apr 19, 2018 8:53 pm

Gene Kochanowsky wrote:Craig, I wouldn't get my hopes up. If BM does implement auto focus its gonna be on a fixed point, it is unlikely to have face or eye detection or object tracking. If they were planning for such a thing they would have mentioned it.


Push autofocus is already there. Tracking can actually be fairly "slow" and "primitive" whether it's just from the small changes on a gimbal or a vlogger's head bobbing. It's not going to have to track something flying across the entire field of view, just small distance drift over time. Yes they've mentioned they are looking at continuous autofocus
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PostThu Apr 19, 2018 8:55 pm

Gene Kochanowsky wrote:Craig, I wouldn't get my hopes up. If BM does implement auto focus its gonna be on a fixed point, it is unlikely to have face or eye detection or object tracking. If they were planning for such a thing they would have mentioned it.


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Re: BMPCC4k Firmware Wishlist

PostThu Apr 19, 2018 8:56 pm

Gene Kochanowsky wrote:Craig, I wouldn't get my hopes up. If BM does implement auto focus its gonna be on a fixed point, it is unlikely to have face or eye detection or object tracking. If they were planning for such a thing they would have mentioned it.


First time mentioned on April 16 and a bit more on my previous post three days later (today).

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Re: BMPCC4k Firmware Wishlist

PostFri Apr 20, 2018 4:30 am

Thanks Craig.
Craig Seeman wrote:
yelenagina wrote:
yelenagina wrote:Good to know, it will be capable of shooting stills.
Hope it will also be capable of AE Bracketing, for shooting HDRI's.
This will be extremely handy for , low/no budget indie vfx work. Thanks.



Can a BM staff reply/comment on the above. Thanks.



At B&H site there's a BMD person responding to questions. Generally response is same day.
I've started a thread to post the responses


Go over to B&H BMPCC4K product page.

Click on Q&A
On the right you'll see a box that says What's Your Question
Questions answered by BMD staff are tagged Blackmagic Design Expert
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Re: BMPCC4k Firmware Wishlist

PostSun Apr 29, 2018 5:20 am

Craig Seeman wrote:
MarcusWolschon wrote:Live video via Bluetooth? No way!


Someone somewhere someway
Video over Wireless BluetoothTM Technology
Ben Smith
Department of Electronics and Computer Science University of Southampton

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/do ... 1&type=pdf

There's apps like this on iOS and Android
https://myspybot.com


This is a very old version of Bluetooth, best to look over at the B&H expert thread for a discussion. New versions have much higher speed suppot. But somebody said it's Bluetooth LE, which is not so good. I hope they can run versions past Bluetooth 4, where the highest speeds are.

I also mention hdmi over wireless hd as a monitoring solution, and li-fi. If there is a HDMI to li-fi dongle that can be used over fibre (a good infrastructure market) there is a good solution needing support. I've been thinking of optical network infrastructure component designing for a while.
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Re: BMPCC4k Firmware Wishlist

PostFri May 04, 2018 3:13 am

Timecode sync via the bluetooth camera control app.
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Re: BMPCC4k Firmware Wishlist

PostSun May 20, 2018 6:09 am

With the Bluetooth camera control app, if there was a way to sync timecode with something like the Timecode Buddy Wifi Master https://www.timecodesystems.com/products-old/wifi-master/ or the Denecke TS-3 via wifi
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Re: BMPCC4k Firmware Wishlist

PostWed May 23, 2018 12:36 am

It would be fantastic if it supported the option to shoot CinemaDNG with MXF wrapper... mainly because that means Resolve would also support it.
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Re: BMPCC4k Firmware Wishlist

PostWed May 23, 2018 9:38 am

Craig Seeman wrote:Yes EIS specifically, not IBIS.

The problem I had with stabilizing in post with the original Pocket is that the rolling shutter made it near useless. If it's still an issue I'm thinking an in camera algorithm might compensate for that. Some of the better optical flow plugins allow one to import or create such but I found they didn't really work on micro jitter rolling shutter artifacts.

Of course if the Pocket 4K rolling shutter is much improved, post stabilization might be viable. I'd love to see a DCI 4K rolling shutter test on a hand held shot.


Why would the camera be better equipped to do EIS than in post? I don't understand what should prevent the issues you see in post.
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PostWed May 23, 2018 1:58 pm

Try stabilizing the current Pocket camera in post. In my experience even the microjitter has enough rolling shutter issues to make stabilization in post near useless. EIS might be able to compensate for it in camera (yes with quality loss but may be a lesser evil in some cases). As someone else pointed out, motion blur is a factor too but you can anticipate to some extent with frame rate and shutter speed.
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PostThu May 24, 2018 2:52 am

roger.magnusson wrote:
Jim Froom wrote:Some way to use wifi or usb connection to remotely run camera with some of the base features for filming and camera settings like iso, fstop, start/stop, etc.
That's what the Bluetooth chip and the Blackmagic Camera Control app is for.


Then my wish is for an iPhone version of the currently iPad-only app.
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PostThu May 24, 2018 3:33 am

John Paines wrote:
rick.lang wrote:Do you recall which firm interviewed him on that? I saw other people interviewed that always talked about “windowed HD.” That would be good news for ProRes shoots. Still want my 2K option if possible though.


Unfortunately, I can't find it and tolerance for youtube interviewers is low ... they're all hairless and talk too much.
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PostThu May 24, 2018 4:45 am

Andres Guzman wrote:
roger.magnusson wrote:
Jim Froom wrote:Some way to use wifi or usb connection to remotely run camera with some of the base features for filming and camera settings like iso, fstop, start/stop, etc.
That's what the Bluetooth chip and the Blackmagic Camera Control app is for.


Then my wish is for an iPhone version of the currently iPad-only app.


Can't find the Android version anywhere.
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Re: BMPCC4k Firmware Wishlist

PostThu May 24, 2018 4:59 am

Having an iPhone version of the control app much more convenient and practical than the iPad.


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PostThu May 24, 2018 11:19 am

Andres Guzman wrote:
Then my wish is for an iPhone version of the currently iPad-only app.


https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/bmd-blu ... 1376947780

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Re: BMPCC4k Firmware Wishlist

PostThu May 24, 2018 2:57 pm

John Brawley wrote:
Andres Guzman wrote:
Then my wish is for an iPhone version of the currently iPad-only app.


https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/bmd-blu ... 1376947780

JB


That’s great! Thank you.
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Re: BMPCC4k Firmware Wishlist

PostThu May 24, 2018 6:37 pm

Here's my Wish list for BMCC4k:

1. NO BUGS!
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Re: BMPCC4k Firmware Wishlist

PostThu May 24, 2018 8:16 pm

Craig Seeman wrote:Try stabilizing the current Pocket camera in post. In my experience even the microjitter has enough rolling shutter issues to make stabilization in post near useless. EIS might be able to compensate for it in camera (yes with quality loss but may be a lesser evil in some cases). As someone else pointed out, motion blur is a factor too but you can anticipate to some extent with frame rate and shutter speed.


But I still don't get what magic in the camera that would solve the issues with EIS?
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Re: BMPCC4k Firmware Wishlist

PostThu May 24, 2018 10:53 pm

RealSting wrote:Here's my Wish list for BMCC4k:

1. NO BUGS!


What bugs are you seeing in current firmware ?

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BMPCC4k Firmware Wishlist

PostFri May 25, 2018 4:36 am

John Brawley wrote:
RealSting wrote:Here's my Wish list for BMCC4k:

1. NO BUGS!


What bugs are you seeing in current firmware ?

JB


Release the camera and we’ll see.. !! (I think you’ve misinterpreted my post! - I’m
hoping for firmware that does what it was designed to do but without issue!). I do get tired of being the beta tester all the time, especially when I’ve paid sums of money for it!


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