RAW over SDI on Ursa Mini Pro

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RAW over SDI on Ursa Mini Pro

PostTue May 01, 2018 9:05 pm

I am quite interested in the new Atomos capabilities to record Prores Raw but I am confused by the documentation on the URSA Mini Pro.

Does the UMP output RAW over the SDI? One would think so since the BM SSD recorder uses it and is supposedly able to grab 4.6K in RAW

Can anyone elucidate ?
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Re: RAW over SDI on Ursa Mini Pro

PostTue May 01, 2018 10:38 pm

it doesn't it. SDI out to external recorder can only do 10bit.
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Re: RAW over SDI on Ursa Mini Pro

PostTue May 01, 2018 11:03 pm

It does, but only with their own SSD recorder. It will not work with the Atomos before hell freezes over…
Now that the cat #19 is out of the bag, test it as much as you can and use the subforum.

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Re: RAW over SDI on Ursa Mini Pro

PostWed May 02, 2018 2:02 am

Yes, Grant is at “war” with Atomos, so no compatibly there.
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Re: RAW over SDI on Ursa Mini Pro

PostWed May 02, 2018 9:19 am

Well that’s annoying, surely the settings should be made to allow pass through regardless of what the cable is attached to, whether or not they like other companies
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Re: RAW over SDI on Ursa Mini Pro

PostWed May 02, 2018 10:02 am

There is no standard for RAW over SDI, so every company is free to use their own.
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Re: RAW over SDI on Ursa Mini Pro

PostThu May 03, 2018 1:54 am

Yes, Atomos worked with Panasonic to get their recorder to record Raw from the EVA1, and to date, is the only recorder I know of that is compatible recording Raw from thr EVA1, which will be ProRes Raw, which Atomos worked with Apple to get. So perhaps someday, a standard Raw over SDI will emerge.
Meanwhile, it will be six months before anyone else can get ProRes Raw, per the Atomos agreement with Apple.
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Re: RAW over SDI on Ursa Mini Pro

PostThu May 03, 2018 10:01 am

Denny Smith wrote:Meanwhile, it will be six months before anyone else can get ProRes Raw, per the Atomos agreement with Apple.
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Interesting, I had not seen that part mentioned anywhere (didn't DJI also launch Prores RAW stuff?) can you point me to a source?
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Re: RAW over SDI on Ursa Mini Pro

PostThu May 03, 2018 3:33 pm

DJI was part of the development partnership. This was discussed in several places, BM User and the Panasonic Cinema Camera site, EVA1, wich sparked this project.
See: http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/forumdisplay. ... ma-Cameras
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Re: RAW over SDI on Ursa Mini Pro

PostThu May 03, 2018 9:05 pm

JamesParker wrote:it doesn't it. SDI out to external recorder can only do 10bit.

Common video out 10 bit, I don’t know if when you record prores 12 bit 4444 it out 12 bit out video.
If you switch to ssd recorder BMD you can find a 12 bit raw field out from sdi rear in out (both) to record only on ssd recorder BMD the raw 12 bit linear.
Not documented to avoid that other recorder could record their raw out (and also if you can the BMD is the less expansive since 350$ against over 1500 for the less expansive)


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Re: RAW over SDI on Ursa Mini Pro

PostFri May 04, 2018 1:53 am

No the Atomos will not record 12-bit 4.4.4 output, either from what I read. Nor will it do full 5.6K Raw DNG from thr Eva1.
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Re: RAW over SDI on Ursa Mini Pro

PostTue May 15, 2018 10:38 am

Seems like the Micro Studio Camera CAN output RAW over SDI could that then work with the Atomos Prores RAW option?


https://www.cinema5d.com/blackmagic-cam ... e-raw-sdi/

Ultimately I'd like to keep working in FCP X and not have to do stuff in Resolve, would be nice if they played nice with Atomos or at least implement their own Prores raw firmware
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Re: RAW over SDI on Ursa Mini Pro

PostTue May 15, 2018 11:39 am

If BM RAW over SDI spec is available Atomos can add it.
Atomos can add support for any (as long as their recorder is capable of given resolution) RAW over SDI as long as spec for it is available from given camera manufacturer.
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Re: RAW over SDI on Ursa Mini Pro

PostTue May 15, 2018 6:00 pm

MScDre wrote:Seems like the Micro Studio Camera CAN output RAW over SDI could that then work with the Atomos Prores RAW option?

As far as I know, nobody has implemented the RAW SDI from the MS4K on anything.
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