Any Blackmagic camera suitable for stereoscopic shooting?

Hello,
Are there any BM cameras which can pair and genlock for stereoscopic shooting?
Is there a way with the new Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 4K to sync two cameras through the usbc port?
Thank you for your input,
Eugen

You can use the BM Micro Studio which can be genlocked, and is fairly small, but yiu will end an external recorder for each camera or use a Convergent Design recorder which can record up to 4 camera signals at the same time.
Cheers

Thank you, Denny,
I have the 7Q plus with Apollo update. I may find two BM Micro Studio 4k cameras.
Do you have any idea how can I genlock them?
The fact that I start the recorder once for both cameras is not enough. They have to be genlocked so the temporal disparity is zero.
Any suggestion is welcome.
Thanks,
Eugen

Thank you, Denny,
I have the 7Q plus with Apollo update. I may find two BM Micro Studio 4k cameras.
Do you have any idea how can I genlock them?
The fact that I start the recorder once for both cameras is not enough. They have to be genlocked so the temporal disparity is zero.
Any suggestion is welcome.
Thanks,
Eugen

You need the expansion cable for each camera (or make your own), so you can plug in a reference signal. If you don't have one, you could use the BMD sync generator.
https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/produc ... /W-CONM-15

It would be nice if future cameras had the genlock feature

The URSA Mini 4.6K and URSA Mini Pro would be the best for Stereoscopic 3D due to the amazing sensor. They are capable of doing S3D. The URSA Mini Pro has the benefit of the internal ND, which can be helpful since no need for external ND. Granted, Stereo 3D rigs can have an ND for their larger box.

The key is getting the Blackmagic Sync Generator so that you ensure the cameras are synced. And, they can be synced easily using it.

The one thing I've asked for over the last two years is an added menu option to designate which camera is which eye. So that you can have Left Eye and Right Eye captured in the metadata so that it helps make it easier in Resolve when syncing and working with the footage. Sadly, there isn't enough demand and not enough people shooting Native 3D.

The native 3D movies currently in production are very few. You have Ang Lee's Gemeni Man, which is shooting Native 3D with Stereotec Rigs and ARRI Alexa M cameras set at 120 fps. James Cameron is shooting his Avatar sequels in Native 3D, and I think he's doing it with the REDs at 60 fps. Then there is Robert Rodriguez's Alita: Battle Angel coming out later this year. I believe that was native 3D as well.

Hopefully demand for native 3D returns. I prefer it. We'll have to see.

P.S. I have seen dailies for Gemini Man in 3D at 120 fps and it looks incredible! I'm a big fan of S3D HFR. I can't say too much due to NDA, but more will come out closer to release of the movie. I did a set visit and will be having an article come out closer to the movie's release in 2019.

So how do I use the sync generator to make sure that the two cameras are capturing frames at exactly the same time?

Thank you, Jack Fairley, for your input!

I have experience doing feature film 3D conversion, and I have to say, I don't see much need for native 3D anymore unless you specifically are a huge fan of stereo movies. I feel like converted 3D looks good enough for the markets that care more about 3D movies than standard 2D, and the overall cost savings throughout the entire production pipeline is very big too.

The biggest things to look out for with converted 3D is an overall image quality loss due to everything being denoised and cleanplated. There's some noticeable softeness in fine details. On top of that very fine particles, dust and debris are often removed as there's not often an easy way to place them in depth.

Lastly, very difficult shots are cheated to be almost 2D to make things easier.

Has anyone used the BMMSC to shoot Stereoscopic s3D?

I am trying to pair two BlackMagic Micro Studio Cameras to shoot them as a s3D “Stereo Pair”. I then want to edit the footage in DaVinci Resolve.
Equipment in work flow:
Two BMMSC w/SDI cabling: Video signal source. Hopefully 4K.
Two BlackMagic video assists (not 4K): To set camera settings.
One BlackMagic Mini Converter “Sync Generator”: to Gen lock the two cameras.
One/Two Convergent Design Odyssey Q7+ 4K recorders w/Apollo option. (Can recorder duel 4K streams over SDI)

The BlackMagic Micro Studio Camera has “video formats” of: 720P/50, 720P/59.94, 720P/60, 1080P/23.98, 1080P/24, 1080P/25, 1080P/29.97, 1080P/30, 1080P/50, 1080i/59.94, 1080i/60, 2160P/23.98, 2160P/24, 2160P/25, 2160/29.97, 2160P/30.

The BlackMagic Mini Converter “Sync Generator” has setting (thru dip switches) of 1080i/59.94, 1080i/50, 1080psf/23.98, 1080psf/24, 720p/59.94, 720p/50.

Odyssey Q7+ (Apollo Option) has project settings of: 23.98 FPS, 24 FPS, 25 FPS, 29.97 FPS, 30 FPS, 48 FPS, 50 FPS, 59.94 FPS, 60 FPS.

Not being a video engineer, I’m assuming that these are the logical settings of the stated equipment to shoot Two Blackmagic Micro Studio Cameras as a s3D Stereo Pair.

BMMSC set at 1080P/24, BlackMagic Mini Converter set at 1080psf/24, & the “Project Frame Rate” on the Odyssey Q7+ (Apollo Option) set to “24 FPS”.

BMMSC set at 2160P/24, BlackMagic Mini Converter set at 1080psf/24, & the “Project Frame Rate” on the Odyssey Q7+ (Apollo Option) set to “24 FPS”.

BMMSC set at 2160P/29.97, BlackMagic Mini Converter set at 720p/59.94 (2x29.97), & the “Project Frame Rate” on the Odyssey Q7+ (Apollo Option) set to “29.97 FPS”.

If you could give me a little insight on this matter I would deeply appreciate it.

Did you ever figure this out? If so, please post results back on this thread, I'm curious to see which settings ended up working.

You would probably want to make sure that the Sync Generator is set to a setting that matches the FPS if the cameras — 
in the case of the 1080p24, you would want to set the synch generator to 1080p24 (NOT 1080PsF 24), I imagine the same would be the case for the 2160p24.
for 2160p29.97, you would want to set synch generator to 1080p29.97.
There is no official reference format for anything above 1080p30/1080i60 as far as I know, so the use of the matching FPS at 1080p is used.

Please let me know if you have any other questions regarding this matter.

Regards,
Dmitry Kitsov
Technical Support Agent
Blackmagic Design Inc.

Hi,

I'm preparing a short film shooting with similar configuration... two Micro Studio 4K, one Odyssey Q7+ with Apollo, and BM Sync generator...

I'm having issues with Odyssey, as it looses sync from the 4K cameras ( not genlock, but Odyssey looses input image ) , I guess my unit is defective, does anyone suffer this problem with BM MS4K and Odyssey ?

Anyway, if you plan to use them as side by side... you'll be so limited... I suggest you should find a beamspliter rig. Please feel free to ask.

Cheers,
Enrique

Has anyone used the BMMSC to shoot Stereoscopic s3D?

I am trying to pair two BlackMagic Micro Studio Cameras to shoot them as a s3D “Stereo Pair”. I then want to edit the footage in DaVinci Resolve.
Equipment in work flow:
Two BMMSC w/SDI cabling: Video signal source. Hopefully 4K.
Two BlackMagic video assists (not 4K): To set camera settings.
One BlackMagic Mini Converter “Sync Generator”: to Gen lock the two cameras.
One/Two Convergent Design Odyssey Q7+ 4K recorders w/Apollo option. (Can recorder duel 4K streams over SDI)


If you could give me a little insight on this matter I would deeply appreciate it.