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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:03 am
by Ivon Visalli
Put me down for 100.

Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:23 pm
by Andrew Toul
Nah. I bet they 've dropped 4.6 . No BRAW will be delivered

Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:32 am
by timbutt2
rick.lang wrote:Vegas setting odds at 15:2 on Timbutt’s bet.

Vegas setting odds? Well, when in Vegas for NAB always bet on Black... Blackmagic Design!

Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:25 pm
by rick.lang



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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 11:06 pm
by Rolands Briedis
Can't wait for NAB and their announcement about BRAW on 4.6k!!

Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 5:22 am
by Stephen Press
Every time this topic gets bumped up my hopes rise only to be dashed...
Seriously how hard can it be just to say "no" and put a stop to all the endless speculation?

Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 10:36 pm
by timbutt2
Stephen Press wrote:Every time this topic gets bumped up my hopes rise only to be dashed...
Seriously how hard can it be just to say "no" and put a stop to all the endless speculation?

“No! I won’t stop!” Haha. See it’s easy to say no. Haha.

I’m on the hope train. However, if I was to get a G2 and not sell the 4.6K then I would want to be able to easily match them with the same RAW codec and color science. So it does need to happen.


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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 11:40 pm
by Stephen Press
Absolutely needs to happen. Very hard to plan future purchases without a clear idea of backward and forward compatibility.

Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 1:05 am
by Donnell Henry
We’ll get that 4.6k update. Also BM mentioned in an earlier thread that the sensor compiling was completed for the 4.6k. This camera is next up to get the update so I have a feeling that’s what they’re working on right now or finishing up as we speak. Also as Tim mentioned above about matching the pro and 4.6k cameras is something I want as well. I shot a short recently where I used my URSA mini 4.6K and my pro 4.6k. I used the Helios and the Mir 1-V anamorfake lenses. For some reason BRAW looked beautiful to me after correcting in resolve. The Cdng was a bit harsher especially when chromatic aberration was in play due to the lens characteristics. Braw option to rolled off highlights was indeed a much needed option. So yes I can’t wait!

Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:59 pm
by Andrew Toul
There is a new update.Any chance we got something with that?

Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:08 am
by Stephen Fitzgerald
Nope they're still not releasing it. I'd like a timeline at least.

Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:37 am
by rick.lang
In a week?


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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:40 am
by Stephen Fitzgerald
That would be a dream, just a statement one way or the other would be nice. Seems like the patent issue may speed up whatever they have in mind.

Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:52 am
by Tristan Pemberton
rick.lang wrote:In a week?

...or two?

Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:51 am
by timbutt2
BlackmagicRAW Player 1.3 and SDK for 1.3 just came out. So this week will see BRAW 1.3 come to all cameras that currently support BRAW. With luck the UM4.6K support is added as well.


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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:22 am
by rick.lang
Awhile ago I estimated BRAW on the 4.6K around the end of March (bad estimate) or at NAB 2019. If it doesn’t show there, there’s still IBC 2019. If it doesn’t show then, it’s likely not going to coincide with any media media and industry gathering. Just quietly appear one day.


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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:15 am
by Jon O'Neill
So do you reckon now because of the CinemaDNG issues, we'll be more likely to see BRAW on the Ursa mini 4.6k?

Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 10:59 am
by Andrew Toul
I think that would be a good reason

Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:19 pm
by rick.lang
Yes, it helps move that project along as there may be a financial incentive to just get it done sooner than later.


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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:32 pm
by timbutt2
If Blackmagic is truly trying to leave CinemaDNG behind then it is a safe bet that the URSA Mini 4.6K will get BRAW since they are still selling UM4.6K cameras. That's my 2¢.

My fingers are crossed for this week. Next week all the news will be NAB news, so it's not likely it will happen then. If anything the main focus will be on Resolve 16 and any other new products announced. So hoping this week it finally happens.

Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:01 pm
by DorisLondon
timbutt2 wrote:If Blackmagic is truly trying to leave CinemaDNG behind then it is a safe bet that the URSA Mini 4.6K will get BRAW since they are still selling UM4.6K cameras. That's my 2¢.

My fingers are crossed for this week. Next week all the news will be NAB news, so it's not likely it will happen then. If anything the main focus will be on Resolve 16 and any other new products announced. So hoping this week it finally happens.
Personally I don't think it will arrive before NAB or even before the next big media convention, as I feel BM won't want to distract from promoting there latest products. That's if it ever arrives at all, Sorry but I'm now not very optimistic for BRaw on the UM.4.6k.

D.

Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:44 pm
by timbutt2
I'd love to get BRAW on the UM4.6K... but this footage Note Suwanchote just shared really sells me on the G2 because that color science looks great. The faster rolling shutter is also really nice.


Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:53 pm
by Donnell Henry
timbutt2 wrote:I'd love to get BRAW on the UM4.6K... but this footage Note Suwanchote just shared really sells me on the G2 because that color science looks great. The faster rolling shutter is also really nice.



Don’t worry Tim we’ll get it. It’s the next camera in line for the update. Would love to see it get updated by the BM reveal at NAB. And yes that Footage/test from Note looks really really good!

Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 5:49 pm
by timbutt2
Okay, now that I finally got my Avengers: Endgame tickets after the AMC app & website crashed today I feel confident we'll get BRAW on the UM4.6K. And, the AMC app is still not loading properly on my phone. So, if the impossible task of getting a ticket happened today, then the impossible task of getting BRAW on the UM4.6K will happen. That's how I look at it.

Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:14 am
by Kofa
timbutt2 wrote:Okay, now that I finally got my Avengers: Endgame tickets after the AMC app & website crashed today I feel confident we'll get BRAW on the UM4.6K. And, the AMC app is still not loading properly on my phone. So, if the impossible task of getting a ticket happened today, then the impossible task of getting BRAW on the UM4.6K will happen. That's how I look at it.


lol.

Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 1:51 am
by timbutt2
timbutt2 wrote:FW 6.4 will be the one that brings BRAW to the UM4.6K. 6.3 will be implementing BRAW 1.3 to all the cameras that have BRAW already. Calling it now.


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Okay, I was partially right. Firmware 6.3 brought support for the UMPG2 with BRAW 1.3. So, hopefully FW 6.4 still is support for BRAW on the UM4.6K. However, it might end up being BRAW 1.3 support for the UMPG1 and Pocket 4K with FW 6.5 being the UM4.6K. Maybe if we're lucky BRAW comes to the UM4.6K in 6.4 along with the support of BRAW 1.3 in the UMPG1 and Pocket 4K.

Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 5:45 am
by DorisLondon
6.3.update, nothing surprising here.
BRaw for the Ursa mini 4.6k looks even less likely. I was negative, but I'm even more so now. Nothing would be better than I'm proved wrong on this one.
D.

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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 6:11 am
by Stephen Fitzgerald
UGH.......another update and still nothing but.....
Radio silence.

Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 6:35 am
by Stephen Press
If its "no" after all this time people are going to be a lot more pissed off than if they just said they couldn't do it from the start.

Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 6:45 am
by timbutt2
In defense of Blackmagic Design this Firmware Update was to be expected. I'm not surprised at all that the G2 was the only camera effected by the update. I previously predicted that BRAW 1.3 would also come to the G1 and Pocket 4K in the same update, but have been proven wrong. No worries there as BRAW 1.3 will come. The big thing with BRAW 1.3 is the Embedded 3D LUTs feature. From the new manual:
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Embedded 3D LUTs
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Now, as you can see it currently says G2 only for this and that's because it's a feature they are introducing with the G2. I'm positive that it can happen with the G1 and Pocket 4K. Thus it will come down the line when those cameras get BRAW 1.3.

I still believe the UM4.6K will get BRAW, especially when looking through the new manual and finding the UM4.6K still in there. Not only that but it has dashes where BRAW is concerned for the codecs, but no CinemaDNG is mentioned anymore. Thus, they are definitely working on bringing BRAW to the UM4.6K and will likely get it in there in a future update. The manual is prepared and all that's needed is a few updates here and there for the manual.
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:01 am
by DorisLondon
Good reasoning. But as I've said before. Personally I think this update for the Ursa mini 4.6k is waaaaaay down on BM's to do list. ( That's if it ever arrives) so late late Summer if that.
Lastly there are cut off points for FirmWare updates for products and this could be it in regards to the Ursa mini 4.6k.

Doris.

Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 4:17 pm
by rick.lang
That is a strange omission when we know URSA Mini 4.6K v4.8 offers CinemaDNG. I still think it’s coming.


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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 5:21 pm
by Denny Smith
FW 6.3 formthe new Ursa Mini Pro 2 is not surprise, it is not adding BRaw to the camera, but is the normal base FW release for the new camera, adding some tweaks. Every time a new camera is released, a base “adding support” FW update for that camera is released. This has nothing to do with updating the UM 4.6 to add BRaw. However, now that this required base FW is out, the team has time to now work on the UM 4.6 update, so it should be out next.
Cheers

Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostPosted: Sun Apr 07, 2019 3:27 pm
by MartinTresze
I wonder if there is no one who is able to emulate a firmware and crack it for ursa mini 4.6k and post it as a torrent. It's obvious that the PRO and the non-pro are almost the same in terms of chip, so the braw may also work. I live far away and bought the camera not a long time ago. Blackmagic taking care of bussines and forgetting about recent buyers, they are gaining bad reputation. Sorry for my english, I'm from a spanish language country.

Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:42 pm
by alexthevideoeditor
Well...gotta say I was disappointed by the NAB presentation. Thought we would hear more about the cameras themselves, but still exciting to see Resolve growing out. Course I would have loved to hear about the BRAW path for this camera most.

Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2019 8:49 pm
by Stephen Fitzgerald
If anyone here is at NAB straight up as Grant what’s going on.

Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:58 am
by timbutt2
alexthevideoeditor wrote:Well...gotta say I was disappointed by the NAB presentation. Thought we would hear more about the cameras themselves, but still exciting to see Resolve growing out. Course I would have loved to hear about the BRAW path for this camera most.

Why? I wasn't disappointed at all. I'm loving Resolve 16 Beta so far.

I understand why there was no camera news. They had their big news a month ago with the G2 announcement. It's now shipping, so no need to provide any further updates. Plus, they added a battery grip to the Pocket 4K. So they covered what they needed to camera wise. The main focus was on Broadcast equipment and Resolve 16.

I'm positive BRAW is still in the works for the UM4.6K and that we'll find out something when Blackmagic has something to say. Now, I still want it greatly on the UM4.6K because it would be very useful to stop using ProRes. And, I want to be able to give feedback on it. Positive feedback... because there's too much negativity in the world.

Now, I'm going to get back to playing with Resolve 16. I want to see if I can remove this woman from this shot... sadly I don't think it's easy since she's out of focus and the software can't quite get rid of her easily without it looking obvious. Still, it is a Beta so maybe it will improve.

Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 5:29 pm
by Matthew Ferrara
A 2 camera shoot with a UMP4.6 and UM4.6 manufactured only months apart but with the same sensor, and they have different color sciences and recording format settings, is frustrating.

Just give the UM4.6 the Color science 4 firmware and BRAW update and be done with that camera. That's all UM4.6 users want.

Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 7:15 pm
by Donnell Henry
Matthew Ferrara wrote:A 2 camera shoot with a UMP4.6 and UM4.6 manufactured only months apart but with the same sensor, and they have different color sciences and recording format settings, is frustrating.

Just give the UM4.6 the Color science 4 firmware and BRAW update and be done with that camera. That's all UM4.6 users want.


Preaching to the choir buddy. :D But I do believe it’s coming soon. Remember Tim said the sensor compiling for the 4.6k was complete. I expect to see the update by July. My guess

Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 6:20 am
by Stephen Fitzgerald
I'm still wondering if it's the G2 or the Pro that I should move up to? I don't need the HDR and no one has said if the new sensor is that much of an upgrade,

Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 6:43 am
by DorisLondon
Considering BM current workload. And the relative low priority of The Ursa Mini 4.6k within the scheme of things .

My guess is if it comes, it may arrive at the end of summer 2019.
Personally I don't think it will ever arrive.

Doris .

Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 7:18 am
by Stephen Press
Considering the number of people who own UM4.6k cameras they should bump it up the priority list.

Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 7:31 am
by Stephen Fitzgerald
I hardly think they’re paying attention to these forums especially this thread, write into customer support and inquire more often if it’s really something we want.

Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:51 am
by DorisLondon
Stephen Fitzgerald wrote:I hardly think they’re paying attention to these forums especially this thread, write into customer support and inquire more often if it’s really something we want.
Excellent point.
Get your private messages into BM support.

Doris

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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:21 pm
by Vess Stoytchev
DorisLondon wrote:
Stephen Fitzgerald wrote:I hardly think they’re paying attention to these forums especially this thread, write into customer support and inquire more often if it’s really something we want.
Excellent point.
Get your private messages into BM support.

Doris

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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:08 pm
by DorisLondon
Hahaha. October 9th 2018.

Iike I've said many times before, This potential update is waaaaaay down on BM list of things to do!

Doris

Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:54 pm
by michaeldhead
DorisLondon wrote:Hahaha. October 9th 2018.

Iike I've said many times before, This potential update is waaaaaay down on BM list of things to do!

Doris


You work for BMD and know their development schedule? WOW. Why didn't you say so?

Or maybe they'd prefer to get it "right" rather than "right now"?

Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:23 pm
by Denny Smith
Stephen Fitzgerald wrote:I'm still wondering if it's the G2 or the Pro that I should move up to? I don't need the HDR and no one has said if the new sensor is that much of an upgrade,


Unless you buy a used UM Pro and one of the leftover new stock UM Pros, you are only going to be able to get the UMP G2, BMD stopped producing the UM Pro, replaced it with the G2. ;)
Cheers

Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 7:51 pm
by DorisLondon
michaeldhead wrote:
DorisLondon wrote:Hahaha. October 9th 2018.

Iike I've said many times before, This potential update is waaaaaay down on BM list of things to do!

Doris


You work for BMD and know their development schedule? WOW. Why didn't you say so?

Or maybe they'd prefer to get it "right" rather than "right now"?
Ohhhhh!!! Get her!.

I know as much as you do MrHead.
Lol.Image

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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostPosted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 7:57 pm
by ricardo marty
Look at the good side, they haven't said no. Its just like what happend to the fusion guys, they waited suffered, cried, acussed BMD, but at the end, they got what the thought they never would have, Fusion 16.

Ricardo Marty