Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostSun May 05, 2019 3:09 am

Stephen, please come back after you’ve become intimately familiar with the G2 and let us know if there’s any you miss not having the original URSA Mini 4.6K. For example, using CinemaDNG (not trying to be naughty, just the first thing that came to mind).


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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostSun May 05, 2019 3:13 am

...so I was going to do a typical “forum” response to that, earlier post about “not rewarding my behavior” but instead of adding negativity I removed it and will just say...

To each their own my friend.
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostSun May 05, 2019 3:21 am

Stephen Fitzgerald wrote:...so I was going to do a typical “forum” response to that, earlier post about “not rewarding my behavior” but instead of adding negativity I removed it and will just say...

To each their own my friend.


Thanks Rick, I actually got the G1...so no G2, I really needed the internal NDs for more run and gun and the color matching for dual shoots will save me a lot of time. Plus I got the G1 new for just over $3600 which was a steal I think. The G2 does look nice in vids, I don’t need the 300fps though.
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostSun May 05, 2019 3:26 am

Stephen Fitzgerald wrote:Thanks Rick, I actually got the G1...so no G2, I really needed the internal NDs for more run and gun and the color matching for dual shoots will save me a lot of time. Plus I got the G1 new for just over $3600...


D’oh! I knew that but I’m not thinking clearly while my homemade lasagna with my garden veggies is settling in the dining room! Time to eat!


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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostSun May 05, 2019 3:39 am

Haha, gotta have your nourishment Rick lol
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostSun May 05, 2019 3:29 pm

"Stephen Fitzgerald wrote:
Thanks Rick, I actually got the G1...so no G2, I really needed the internal NDs for more run and gun and the color matching for dual shoots will save me a lot of time. Plus I got the G1 new for just over $3600..."

Hi Stephen,
May I ask if you bought this new G1 from a vendor or from an individual?
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostMon May 06, 2019 12:08 pm

I said this on Friday, May 3:
timbutt2 wrote:Definitely join the other thread. However, my fingers are crossed for this week coming up. Why? A new update to the DaVinci Resolve 16 Beta is likely to come since it has been a month. It’s also been about a month since the Firmware update for the G2 to be supported. Thus, we should be due for some updates soon. Fingers are crossed.

I said it on the other "BM RAW for URSA Mini 4.6K" thread. DaVinci Resolve 16 Beta 2 is out today. That's one down. One to go. Either later this week or next week. A camera update is bound to come soon. I'm hoping it is BRAW for the UM4.6K.
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostMon May 06, 2019 5:48 pm

I don't own a 4.6k anymore, but I keep up with the news and apparently the 4.6k was just discontinued today (or very recently). I'd think that would also mean development work would stop and entirely new codecs won't be added to it, but only BMD can say that for sure.

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PostMon May 06, 2019 6:23 pm

Yeah, discontinued. The guy is a dealer, so he ought to know. Plus, I couldn’t find any mention on the BM product page of anything but the G2 and regular 4K models.

This does not bode well for BRAW on the UM 4.6K.
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostMon May 06, 2019 6:30 pm

Whoa, I just looked, the 4.6k models are no longer mentioned on the product page anymore but the 4K model is...

Strange...

I bought my UMP from a vendor, I don’t really buy things this expensive from individuals.
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostMon May 06, 2019 7:49 pm

Stephen Fitzgerald wrote:Whoa, I just looked, the 4.6k models are no longer mentioned on the product page anymore but the 4K model is...

Strange...

I bought my UMP from a vendor, I don’t really buy things this expensive from individuals.


Terry Nixon is one of the reps at Texas Media Systems, who is a vendor. He said in the link that the URSA Mini 4K is still available. Makes sense as it's a pretty unique camera because of the global shutter.
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Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostMon May 06, 2019 9:45 pm

It may be available from a reseller/authorized dealer, but it’s no longer on BMD product web pages. It had not been promoted for some time, but now when you get to the page showing all the URSA Mini models, it’s conspicuously absent. Sad day in a way. My first BMD camera after following BMD since August 2012.

Announced four years and one month ago. Shipped about three years and six or seven weeks ago; I purchased it three years and a month ago.

The one-time 4.6King is dead,
long live the little Pocket prince!


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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostMon May 06, 2019 10:06 pm

Yes Rick, sad day indeed. Now you know how I felt when the original Pocket Comaera was discontinued, which was my first BMD camera, and one if the initial vendor demo release cameras just before it started shipping to pre-orders. :( Long love the new Pocket 4K and UM Pro G2!
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostTue May 07, 2019 12:31 am

As Ive commented a few times before. I had a hope against hope that further firmware support for the Old 4.6k may still be forthcoming, but now the nails are firmly in the coffin, now forget BRaw for the Ursa mini 4.6k.

And to all those persons who shouted out so loudly that a BRaw update was inevitable and for us all to be just patient and wait etc ..hmmm? I feel your not so **** sure now are you guys??

So let's see what happens over the next few months.

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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostTue May 07, 2019 1:58 am

I would have loved a Yes/No. I guess it's time to move to the G2...
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PostTue May 07, 2019 2:07 am

Or pick up a good deal the the Pro G1... :roll:
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostTue May 07, 2019 2:34 am

Here is the real question, is the 4K is still around with CDNG, why no issue with that camera and that codec? We’ll never get a straight answer on all this, but this was my issue for a long time, companies dot need to give yes/no to us, but it just seemed so long and drawn out. I hope to see an update to it even after its discontinued, I’d also like to see significant price drops on the G1, hopefully that can get 4.6k users into the codecs and color they want at a fair price, especially after all the time and speculation.
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Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostTue May 07, 2019 3:06 am

The URSA Mini 4K is still being promoted by BMD at this time. It’s distinction is that global shutter. Last update was a long time ago in an ecosystem far far away.

Stephen, the G1 has previously been dropped from the web site with the shipping of the G2 and is no longer included as a URSA option. So I doubt we shall see a fire-sale offer of the G1 to 4.6K original owners as was done for URSA original owners to buy an URSA Mini.

There are two URSA cameras: the Mini 4K and the Mini Pro G2 4.6K. A fire-sale of the G2 for 4.6K original owners makes more sense to the consumer, but you won’t likely see an offer like that until Q1 2020.

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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostTue May 07, 2019 5:05 am

Wow! Didn't see this till now. Been busy editing and other work.

Okay, well the hope is in my heart, but I accept that BRAW likely won't happen now for the UM4.6K. It's been a great camera for the last 3-years. Sadly, I won't be able to update until I pay off this car loan, and then I just got told by my dentist they really want to remove one wisdom tooth of the three because they've finally decided it needs to be done. So it will be some time before I update.

At the same time, I know that the future of Blackmagic Cameras is in BRAW. I hope with so many UM4.6K cameras out there they can make one last update that gives it BRAW. Otherwise, I am all for the G2 and future BMD Cameras.

One thing I hope is that everyone can remain civil. I'm never going to blame Blackmagic for not being able to bring it to this camera. The camera has been an amazing treat in the years since it was introduced. My only hope is they can provide one update that removes DNx Greyed Out from the camera. That is the one area I feel they truly failed to deliver on a promise made 3-years ago. So one last update to remove DNx as an option. Otherwise, I look forward to being able to update whenever I can.
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostTue May 07, 2019 7:00 am

Having registered my cynicism through out this thread. I have a tiny feeling that as Grant Petty personally mentioned the 4.6k in his original address in regards to the new BRaw format, I feel there's a faint glimmer of hope that BRaw may possibly arrive for this camera. Hedging ones bets isn't a bad policy sometimes. lol.

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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostThu May 09, 2019 4:59 am

I will still hold out hope for BRAW on the UM4.6K, but, I have one request…

PLEASE REMOVE THE GREYED OUT DNX CODEC OPTION!

That is one thing that would be great to do for those still on the UM4.6K. Even if BRAW can’t come to the camera since it is now discontinued, it would be great to get rid of this option that never came to be.

If BRAW is possible then you will of course do it in that update. But, nonetheless it would be great to do before you put the final nail in the coffin of the UM4.6K. Thank you!


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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostThu May 09, 2019 6:36 am

BRAW is coming to the 4.6k, y'all....reelaaaxx...
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostThu May 09, 2019 10:45 am

rick.lang wrote:
There are two URSA cameras: the Mini 4K and the Mini Pro G2 4.6K.

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<cough> The beautiful URSA Broadcast?
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostThu May 09, 2019 3:28 pm

David Hutchinson wrote:
rick.lang wrote:
There are two URSA cameras: the Mini 4K and the Mini Pro G2 4.6K.

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<cough> The beautiful URSA Broadcast?


David, oh my, thanks for that gentle reminder.


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PostThu May 09, 2019 5:15 pm

Thanks David, least we forget the excellent Ursa Boradcast.
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostThu May 16, 2019 3:30 pm

I will remind everyone that the URSA Mini 4.6K is still in the manual. And, since CinemaDNG has been removed on the other cameras, it only has a dash for the Blackmagic RAW Sensor Scan and Maximum Frame Rate in the Maximum Frame Rates Section of the Manual. Maybe we'll get lucky, but I've done the math and November may be when I can upgrade to the G2 after paying off the car loan. So I hope BRAW can come in the next month so that we can get some time with BRAW on the UM4.6K before upgrading to the G2.
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostThu May 16, 2019 5:11 pm

You’re keeping hope alive here Tim, even though I have the Pro I really still want BRAW to come for the 4.6k. I literally saw an interview from a convention the other day where they said it’s coming back when BRAW was released. I just think they’re really busy putting out other fires like all the G2 issues I’ve found on YT.
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostFri May 17, 2019 7:11 pm

I reverted to CinemaDNG 3.1 for my last shoot and was reminded how horribly my maxed out iMac 2015 handled raw playback in Resolve 16. Really need that BRAW boys! I’ve got a 12+ hour shoot at month-end and so hope Mini 4.6K BRAW (or that MIA BMPCC4K) saves my bacon.


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PostFri May 17, 2019 9:25 pm

rick.lang wrote:I reverted to CinemaDNG 3.1 for my last shoot and was reminded how horribly my maxed out iMac 2015 handled raw playback in Resolve 16. Really need that BRAW boys! I’ve got a 12+ hour shoot at month-end and so hope Mini 4.6K BRAW (or that MIA BMPCC4K) saves my bacon.


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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostMon May 27, 2019 8:23 am

Camera Update 6.4 just released....

...no sign of an update


...dang...Cinegear in a few days. Maybe I can inquire for an in person response.

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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostMon May 27, 2019 9:54 am

What's new!!
Now let's just allow this thread to die!

Personally I'm unsubscribing as of now ( good riddance.lol ) there's nothing more here to see or know.

Peace to all.

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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostMon May 27, 2019 11:30 am

Just to add to this.

I'd like BRAW on the Usra Mini 4.6K. I had to wait a long time for this camera in the UK.

Of course I could upgrade, but I've not had the camera long enough for a decent return on investment.

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PostMon May 27, 2019 12:42 pm

AndyThirtover wrote:Just to add to this.

I'd like BRAW on the Usra Mini 4.6K. I had to wait a long time for this camera in the UK.

Of course I could upgrade, but I've not had the camera long enough for a decent return on investment.

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Even tho I ordered a G2 I would still like to see this come to the 4.6k URSA mini. Both myself and Tim are holding on to a little hope :) . As for the latest update from what I read, these are issues that are affecting their latest cam in this case the G2. So I expect to see this take priority. Hopefully by 6.7 update we will see BRAW on the 4.6k
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PostMon May 27, 2019 5:30 pm

Maybe this means that BM is still working on improving BRAW some more before adding it to the Ursa Mini 4.6K line?
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PostMon May 27, 2019 9:34 pm

Good point. We want it done right, not just done.


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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostTue May 28, 2019 12:20 am

Well, today’s 6.4 seems like it mainly took care of fixes for bugs in the G2 and improving features. Plus, the Fiber Boxes. So, there could still be 6.5. That’s my hope.

On a side note about upgrading, I may hold on to the UM4.6K and would want BRAW and color science 4.0 to match to the G2. So I still will hold out hope. Otherwise, when I make the upgrade later this year (after paying off car loan) I’ll make the decision whether to sell UM4.6K based on whether it gets BRAW by September/October.


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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostWed May 29, 2019 1:33 pm

for the love of god BM. please let us know if braw will come to the 4.6k
i dont understand why they just dont say. it would be totally fine if its not possible for whatever reason to integrate the codec into the camera.
just give us an answer already...
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostWed May 29, 2019 5:11 pm

This is my first BM camera so having had no exposure to BM's past practices, it looks to me that they play their cards pretty close to the vest.
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PostWed May 29, 2019 6:18 pm

At NAB, my understanding from talking to the people in charge of the technical job of implementing BRAW on the UM 4.6K. is that they are TRYING. The delay could be that it’s technically very challenging or that the decision was made to stop trying. Who knows?
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PostWed May 29, 2019 11:54 pm

I’m holding out hope because they said they would try. The G2 announcement happened after they said they would try and on the same day they brought BRAW to the Pocket 4K. They did say before that day that they would try the original 4.6K after getting BRAW on the Pocket 4K. Thus, that is why I still hold out hope.

I was expecting a camera update at NAB. Thus the G2 announcement before NAB seemed to work in line with what I expected. I was hoping for a few more updates to the camera accessories, such as new Wireless Video Assists and a Wireless Transmitter add-on for the URSA Mini. Sadly that didn’t happen, but the G2 was what I expected. Although, I did wish for the gyroscope and GPS to have been added.

Either way, I’m updating to the G2 when I can.

With the G2 I care most then about getting PL lenses down the line that have lens metadata. Hopefully Sigma updates their Cine Zooms to have /i Technology in the future and keep their affordable cost. Still haven’t the ability to shoot with EF glass and then put a PL mount on for productions where PL glass can be rented is worth it for me. That’s the big reason I would have gone to the G1 back in 2017 along with the Bluetooth. I just didn’t see an economic reason to spend the money with the sensor being the same. Now is a fine time to upgrade to the G2 for faster rolling shutter and higher frame rates, plus those features I wanted from the G1.

I hold no grudges on any of this. The original URSA Mini 4.6K has served me really well for the last 3-years. It will continue to serve me well until I upgrade. My hope is it gets BRAW so that I could still use it as a B-Camera with the G2.


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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostThu May 30, 2019 2:03 pm

I now have both the original 4.6K and the Pro models. The Pro has more features of course, but for run and gun the original 4.6K fits better with me, because of the bigger screen. But the braw option is a major point. So I would keep the old Ursa, if braw comes out for it. Or else I have to sell it. So... yeah, that waiting now... :|
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostThu May 30, 2019 2:11 pm

Emilian Dechev wrote:I now have both the original 4.6K and the Pro models. The Pro has more features of course, but for run and gun the original 4.6K fits better with me, because of the bigger screen. But the braw option is a major point. So I would keep the old Ursa, if braw comes out for it. Or else I have to sell it. So... yeah, that waiting now... :|

I do love not having a whole bunch of buttons on the side. That's one thing I never really liked about the Pro design. I don't need ENG styled buttons. Maybe there will be another G2 model of the original URSA Mini design that's much cleaner. Keep the Bluetooth, the internal ND, but get rid of all the unnecessary buttons. The external status LCD screen is fine and can stay. That is useful. Otherwise, I would totally go for that option if it was an available choice.
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostThu May 30, 2019 10:26 pm

Tim, you can just ignore the external buttons, other than the toile switch, you do not need to use them.
That said, having the iris control wheel on the outside panel is convenient when using auto iris lenses, my AF100 had this (the only way to set the iris on this one) and I got used to using it.
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostFri May 31, 2019 3:46 am

Denny Smith wrote:Tim, you can just ignore the external buttons, other than the toile switch, you do not need to use them.
That said, having the iris control wheel on the outside panel is convenient when using auto iris lenses, my AF100 had this (the only way to set the iris on this one) and I got used to using it.
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Of course I'll get used to it. It takes me back to the days of cameras that had those buttons on the side. "Whatever, I'll deal." Imagine that line in a California valley girl voice with a girl doing the W with her hands. Hahaha.

I just signed on to DP a short film shooting in July. Now I wish I had the G2 or BRAW on the 4.6K for that. Might try to speed some things up on my end for getting the G2 and then focus on the dumb car loan. Choices and priorities. Oy-vey! (Sp?) For this short I'd love to use the new BRAW LUT functionality. Either way, I think the priority needs to remain the dumb car loan. Still whatever camera I use and whatever "format" I shoot in the product should still look great.
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostFri May 31, 2019 7:23 am

Just go for it Tim. BTW, Oy and vey are two very old Jewish interjections which both mean “woe.” Oy is found many times in the Bible. Today, it is a common Yiddish phrase expressing, “dismay or exasperation” as in your situation.
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostSun Jun 02, 2019 1:16 am

Hello everyone, BRAW 4.6k update.

I went to Cinegear in Los Angeles today and talked with the BMD product manager, he told me that they are still hoping to put BRAW on the original 4.6k. Though it’s a company bandwidth thing and a hardware capability thing. This was the “official” statement IE not insider info, just his straight answer. I spoke with Tim, he said he hopes it can come.

I’m not going to interpret what he said, I just said I’d go and ask and this is what was told to me.
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PostSun Jun 02, 2019 4:32 am

Stephen Fitzgerald wrote:Hello everyone, BRAW 4.6k update.

I went to Cinegear in Los Angeles today and talked with the BMD product manager, he told me that they are still hoping to put BRAW on the original 4.6k. Though it’s a company bandwidth thing and a hardware capability thing. This was the “official” statement IE not insider info, just his straight answer. I spoke with Tim, he said he hopes it can come.

I’m not going to interpret what he said, I just said I’d go and ask and this is what was told to me.

Thank you Stephen for asking! I'll hold faith in the hardware, but am preparing for the upgrade as previously stated.

I may try that new B&H Card for the additional 1K for the camera once I get the last 1.8K paid off on one card. Who knows. Either way, credit cards and car loans all have one major factor to take into account: interest rates. It's a pesky thing.

Another thing of "interest" is that Blackmagic has now pushed technology in incredible ways in 5-years. I know DIT wise I used DaVinci in 2013, but what really made it the de-facto app in 2014 was the Clone Tool. I used the 2.5K then and the URSA was introduced that year. How far they have come since then.

I'm excited for the next five years. Let's hope Apple discontinues FCPX and turns every user to DaVinci at WWDC.
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostMon Jun 03, 2019 8:35 pm

Denny Smith wrote:Just go for it Tim.

In 3-Weeks I'm going for it! Might not get the G2 in time for the short, but we'll see what shipping times are like in 3-weeks when I go for it.
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Re: Blackmagic RAW on the Ursa Mini 4.6k?

PostMon Jun 03, 2019 9:53 pm

timbutt2 wrote:
Denny Smith wrote:Just go for it Tim.

In 3-Weeks I'm going for it! Might not get the G2 in time for the short, but we'll see what shipping times are like in 3-weeks when I go for it.

Alas, Tim, I always thought the Hannibal Barca movie would be shot on an Ursa Mini 4.6K, but maybe it will have to be the G2.
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