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PostThu Feb 21, 2019 10:28 pm

Where was he insulting?
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Re: BMPCC4K start shipping

PostThu Feb 21, 2019 10:54 pm

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Denny Smith wrote:Yes, I agree Ramesh, and a Nikon Z6 is a better choice for a Vlogger.


Who's Ramesh?


He's the brother of Demy Sniff :D
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Re: BMPCC4K start shipping

PostFri Feb 22, 2019 2:11 am

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Denny Smith wrote:Yes, I agree Ramesh, and a Nikon Z6 is a better choice for a Vlogger. :roll:
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Who's Ramesh?

Let's face it; vloggers would be fine with entry level camcorders. Those who are vlogging with cameras like Pocket 4K's are mostly wasting them -- though there are some vloggers who are actually making films, and just vlogging to build audience... not quite the same demographic.


Sorry, fixed my Post, my IPad keeps trying to second guess names, and I missed it. :oops:

Yes entry level camcorders would do the trick, but a lot of these “bloggers” seem to feel a DSLR style camera will make their “content” better, instead of trying to improve their skills. Some of the new Smart Phones would even work.
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Re: BMPCC4K start shipping

PostFri Feb 22, 2019 2:27 am

Denny Smith wrote:Sorry, fixed my Post, my IPad keeps trying to second guess names, and I missed it. :oops:


Ah yes, defeated by the auto-incorrector... :)

I figured it was something silly like that.

Yes entry level camcorders would do the trick, but a lot of these “bloggers” seem to feel a DSLR style camera will make their “content” better, instead of trying to improve their skills. Some of the new Smart Phones would even work.
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Yes, exactly, They don't need professional digital cinema cameras for their vlogs, since even a lot of the ones shot with professional cameras usually look like they were shot with low end phones :)
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Re: BMPCC4K start shipping

PostFri Feb 22, 2019 2:30 am

Yes Rakesh, they sure do. A small simple,camera like a Nikon 1 V1, V2, and the V3 (with a tilting screen) would do the trick, small compact and does a decent job on its 1-inch sensor. They would save $ (a slightly used Nikon 1 is $200-600), and the rest of us interesting in shooting quality work might be able to get a BMPCC 4K sooner, by getting them out of the que.
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Re: BMPCC4K start shipping

PostFri Feb 22, 2019 2:34 am

At least they help to lower the camera prices by adding to the sales volume ;)
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PostFri Feb 22, 2019 2:38 am

Yes, but I think have a more manageable production on the new the new Pocket 4K, by raising it’s initial cost, the existing low price for its incredible quality image has made the camera too popular, more popular than the original Pocket camera. Perhaps BMD should have listed the price at $1995, with Resolve or an option of $1695 without Resolve, and that may have reduced the demand a little.
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PostFri Feb 22, 2019 2:46 am

I'm pretty sure that Blackmagic didn't pull the price of the BMPCC4K out of a dark, wet, place.
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PostFri Feb 22, 2019 2:53 am

No, they went with a price that was $200 more than the original BMPCC ($995), and included $300 program with it. I remember when Resolve was selling for $995, now it has more features and is only $300. So the new Pocket 4K is $995 plus $200 forbResolve.*
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PostFri Feb 22, 2019 1:12 pm

Denny Smith wrote:Yes, but I think have a more manageable production on the new the new Pocket 4K, by raising it’s initial cost, the existing low price for its incredible quality image has made the camera too popular, more popular than the original Pocket camera. Perhaps BMD should have listed the price at $1995, with Resolve or an option of $1695 without Resolve, and that may have reduced the demand a little.
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Hahaha you can buy one on Ebay at that price if you want to part with your money.

Blackmagic try to bring quality film making to as wide an audience as possible by selling a camera/editing/grading package at an amazing price and someone complains it's too cheap. Seriously?
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PostFri Feb 22, 2019 2:28 pm

Australian Image wrote:And then there are vloggers that use RED cameras.

Right, Linus tech tips have 4 of those, and then wants to complain about the prices. You don’t need a red camera to review tech smh.
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PostFri Feb 22, 2019 4:06 pm

Denny Smith wrote:Yes, but I think have a more manageable production on the new the new Pocket 4K, by raising it’s initial cost, the existing low price for its incredible quality image has made the camera too popular, more popular than the original Pocket camera. Perhaps BMD should have listed the price at $1995, with Resolve or an option of $1695 without Resolve, and that may have reduced the demand a little.
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No, Blackmagic Design priced it correctly. The P4k demand is reminiscent of the Nintendo Wii's popularity during the first year of its launch. It was the right product at the right time with the right price.
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Re: BMPCC4K start shipping

PostFri Feb 22, 2019 5:32 pm

Denny, the price is $300 diff, not $200, at $1295, $300 more than $995.. or did they lower price of BMPCC4K to $1195 recently and I am a dummy :D

My point earlier was that even at $2K, I would have bought one of these cameras.. and I think "most" of the folks buying them would have. Sure some are buying it because it drops into the prosumer price range especially if you plan to use Resolve Studio and factor that cost in.
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PostFri Feb 22, 2019 5:56 pm

Pete, I doubt folks are ‘seriously’ complaining that the lust price of the BMPCC4K is too low (assuming BMD is profitable). It’s just a sly tongue-in-cheek slap at other vendors who charge considerably more for their cameras. Sure it’s true the cost could have been $1,995 but most people would still want the camera so we would still have high demand and long wait queues and leave us less money for accessories. $1,295


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PostFri Feb 22, 2019 6:21 pm

I was not complaining the price was too high, quite the opposite, and Rick you are probably right. I was thinking it might reduce the number of bloggers trying to buy a camera that is more than they need.
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Re: BMPCC4K start shipping

PostFri Feb 22, 2019 7:17 pm

I think the price of BM products are about right. They have always been great camera's, for the price. But they aren't known for being the most reliable, and have had plenty of QC issues. The brand is still working on getting a fan base. If it was closer the price of a C100 Mkii (or similar bigger brand camera's), I think the form factor, lack of SDI, all the cables coming off the smart side, and QC issues would detour a lot of us from wanting to use the BMP4k. Even with as many great features it has.

But aside from the price debate..... still waiting on my personal version of the camera (used a friends, worked great with the new update.) B&H Early December. :roll:
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Re: BMPCC4K start shipping

PostFri Feb 22, 2019 7:45 pm

Denny Smith wrote:I was not complaining the price was too high, quite the opposite, and Rick you are probably right. I was thinking it might reduce the number of bloggers trying to buy a camera that is more than they need.
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PostFri Feb 22, 2019 8:12 pm

I can't see why anyone would be deliberately targeted to be priced out of buying anything.
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Re: BMPCC4K start shipping

PostMon Feb 25, 2019 5:17 pm

do we have any updates on shipping/production of bmpcc4k? just got told that there are some issues with production and no camera has been produced for a month. just want to know an estimate date when I can expect my cam. thanks
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Re: BMPCC4K start shipping

PostMon Feb 25, 2019 6:51 pm

creative.visuals wrote:just got told that there are some issues with production and no camera has been produced for a month.


That rumor's been going around... the BMD reps who would actually know the correct answer have said that there aren't any production problems, just more demand than BMD has been able to keep up with.

The preorders weren't the end of it; the demand for this camera has apparently picked up instead of slowing down since it started shipping.
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Re: BMPCC4K start shipping

PostMon Feb 25, 2019 10:17 pm

Then why did deliveries stop?

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PostMon Feb 25, 2019 10:31 pm

Colourberry wrote:Then why did deliveries stop?


They didn't.
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PostMon Feb 25, 2019 10:34 pm

Colourberry wrote:Then why did deliveries stop?


If 20 companies (pick any number over your capacity) approached you today and wanted a video made by the end of next week, could you supply? If not, would the ones that couldn't be supplied be rightfully allowed to say that you've stopped producing videos?
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PostMon Feb 25, 2019 10:37 pm

They absolutely did. Based on the rate of deliveries my dealer was getting they said just before Christmas first week of January. I'm was then and still am position 6 in line and where are we now? Almost March!!

So don't say they didn't stop or there wasn't a stoppage for a period. Something has happened.

There are way too many reporting the same thing at the same time and oooohh suddenly everything everywhere April is the answer........

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PostMon Feb 25, 2019 10:40 pm

Colourberry wrote:They absolutely did. Based on the rate of deliveries my dealer was getting they said just before Christmas first week of January. I'm was then and still am position 6 in line and where are we now? Almost March!!

So don't say they didn't stop or there wasn't a stoppage for a period. Something has happened.


What happened is that demand went up. That shouldn't be hard to understand... if it is, look at Australian Image's post. His example is spot on.

But you'd conclude that you've stopped making videos in his example...
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PostMon Feb 25, 2019 10:42 pm

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Colourberry wrote:Then why did deliveries stop?


If 20 companies (pick any number over your capacity) approached you today and wanted a video made by the end of next week, could you supply? If not, would the ones that couldn't be supplied be rightfully allowed to say that you've stopped producing videos?
That's a stupid analogy because it ignores the companies that were already scheduled to get their videos shortly and there would still be a flow.

The situation now would look more like the 20 companies and ones already scheduled are being told "your videos will be made in April"

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PostMon Feb 25, 2019 10:50 pm

Go back and read Kristian Lam’s last post.

He acknowledged there WAS a delay back around xmas because of a parts shortage and Chinese New Year but production hasn’t stopped or been halted. Nor was it stopped for a “fix” like I’ve seen some speculating online either.

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Re: BMPCC4K start shipping

PostMon Feb 25, 2019 10:50 pm

Colourberry wrote:That's a stupid analogy because it ignores the companies that were already scheduled to get their videos shortly and there would still be a flow.


That's why it's exactly accurate. There IS still a flow... but the demand is so high that BMD can't keep up.

The situation now would look more like the 20 companies and ones already scheduled are being told "your videos will be made in April"


You're just making this up to justify your complaining because you're looking at one example and assuming that it's tautologically true, even though it isn't. Customers are still receiving cameras, but BMD's production is all already spoken for.

That you don't like it doesn't make it less true.
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PostMon Feb 25, 2019 11:12 pm

Okay, it's almost six months now and B&H still has a long list of pre-orders (according to them) and no ETA of the camera being in stock for purchase. Same with Adorama and a couple other resellers in the USA. Therefore I'm still unable to purchase the camera even though I am willing and ready. Maybe there will be another camera announce this NAB that is an in between of the UMP and Pocket 4K, priced in the lower to middle range of the two. If that is the hold-up, then I'm looking forward to NAB. Otherwise, can BMD give an ETA as to when the Pocket can be in stock at their resellers for immediate ordering and shipping?
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PostTue Feb 26, 2019 12:01 am

The reason it's taking so long is that the camera is too good. And it's cheap. It took B&H about about four or five months to get the Sony A7III off backorder. And that's the giant Sony. The Nikon D850 was over a year on backorder.

This is the most film-like image producing camera that BMD has ever made. The images are gorgeous and it's revolutionizing filmmaking. Every filmmaker that I know who doesn't own one yet has one on pre-order. I want two of them.

Every time someone with some real talent posts a video that was shot with it, BMD sells another few hundred cameras. Dave Hill's "Isabella" short film alone has probably generated another 1000 sales. Check out below. He shot it with Panasonic 12-35mm, SLR Magic 17mm, Hoya variable ND, ProRes LT, and that's it. He also says he used a Kodak Gold 200 LUT, I guess from Impulz. And the images are gobsmacking superb.

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PostTue Feb 26, 2019 12:04 am

Will be interesting to see the impact of any announcements by BMD at NAB 2019 (which is about 6 weeks away) on the length of the queue. I have to believe that NAB can become a factor. It may or may not, but it could increase or decrease orders for the BMPCC4K.


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rick.lang wrote:Will be interesting to see the impact of any announcements by BMD at NAB 2019 (which is about 6 weeks away) on the length of the queue. I have to believe that NAB can become a factor. It may or may not, but it could increase or decrease orders for the BMPCC4K.


I have a feeling that the braw release announcement will spur a huge surge in demand for it...

At this rate it could take an entire year to catch up on demand.

It's happened before; Red stopped taking orders on the Raven when the preorder queue reached a year.

And that was after raising the price by more than the price of the Pocket 4K, which just reinforces how much of a bargain the Pocket 4K is.
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Rakesh Malik wrote:I have a feeling that the braw release announcement will spur a huge surge in demand for it...

Red stopped taking orders on the Raven when the preorder queue reached a year...


Another reason why the timing of BRAW on the BMPCC4K will likely be late March or at NAB 2019: maximum media exposure and maximum impact on orders.

Always a nice problem to have, too many orders, but it can be a double-edged sword as some folks may be put off by those lengthy delays either by choice or forced by circumstances to make a purchase sooner than later. If someone is new to BMD and waiting up to a year, I do feel for them. And for those who felt waiting wasn’t an option, they deserve some sympathy too.

For those with at least one capable camera already, the waiting game isn’t something new and so intolerable. For them they know two things about this camera: it’s worth waiting for and “good things come in small packages.”


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PostTue Feb 26, 2019 4:03 am

I think the other thing was that when the camera was first revealed, there was quite a bit of negativity (including a lot from existing Blackmagic camera owners) and I'm sure that would have tempered the production schedule/investment. Then when the cameras started to appear in reviewer's hands, some of that negativity started to disappear and when real users started to post results and opinions, everything changed.

Many who took the gamble early on have reaped the rewards.
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True, as did many who ordered late (well after the camera was shipping) from relatively small shops.


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rick.lang wrote:Another reason why the timing of BRAW on the BMPCC4K will likely be late March or at NAB 2019: maximum media exposure and maximum impact on orders.


I so agree with this point.

rick.lang wrote:Always a nice problem to have, too many orders, but it can be a double-edged sword as some folks may be put off by those lengthy delays either by choice or forced by circumstances to make a purchase sooner than later. If someone is new to BMD and waiting up to a year, I do feel for them. And for those who felt waiting wasn’t an option, they deserve some sympathy too.


I still think that having prospective customers hanging on for a year is not a great asset for any company.

rick.lang wrote:For those with at least one capable camera already, the waiting game isn’t something new and so intolerable. For them they know two things about this camera: it’s worth waiting for and “good things come in small packages.”


I will agree with this too.
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I'm quite certain that if Blackmagic could pull a rabbit out of a hat, or a hare out of its a..., to get more cameras on the shelves it would do so.
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Australian Image wrote:I'm quite certain that if Blackmagic could pull a rabbit out of a hat, or a hare out of its a..., to get more cameras on the shelves it would do so.


I agree, but I still say having waiting list more than 1 year is a business liability.
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The problem for BMD here is they can't just pull out of a hat a new factory to increase the production rate. Into the price of the camera the cost for their existing manufacturing line has been included, but if they have to built up a new factory from scratch this takes time and money. So it is a very though business decision what to do and which risks to take.

My wife works as an auditor and tax consultant and she had seen clients going into bankruptcy because they had been too successful in selling their products and could not bear the costs for increasing production rates.
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Re: BMPCC4K start shipping

PostTue Feb 26, 2019 11:22 am

I Don't agree with people who protecting the BMD in delay aspect, here in Europe last three(3) months is no cameras in some of official resellers. FULL THREE MONTHS! HOW IS POSSIBLE?

I don't talking about waiting time after backorder, not, I'm talking about delivers of the cameras in general! :oops:

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Exactly what I was told here in Australia and in Bangkok.

Something happened. Or changed.

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PostTue Feb 26, 2019 11:26 am

This is the latest (updated yesterday) from the site I ordered from

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Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 4K - BMD-CINECAMPOCHDMFT4K - Now shipping but in very small numbers to the UK Call now for lead times.

**Reserve your camera Now, for a small fee of only £50 inc vat and get the new camera as soon as possible



Picket Cinema Camera 4K NOW Starting to Ship in the UK

This camera is now starting to ship in the UK. We have had a few more cameras in today (EXPECTING 3x More Cameras 26/02/2019) but BMD are still shipping to the UK in very Small numbers. We still have cameras available from our allocation so call now to see where you would be on our waiting list and PRE-Order today. Don't delay selling fast!!

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Seems like things are finally moving again, at least in the UK
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MScDre wrote:
Seems like things are finally moving again, at least in the UK


Can’t be right...it’s not April

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saw buying update but still searching in the Uk for anyone that has one to sell and no luck .. can anyone put me in touch with a supplier either here or outside uk ? :D
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Re: BMPCC4K start shipping

PostTue Feb 26, 2019 3:56 pm

romariorus wrote:I Don't agree with people who protecting the BMD in delay aspect, here in Europe last three(3) months is no cameras in some of official resellers. FULL THREE MONTHS! HOW IS POSSIBLE?


It is possible, I am waiting for over 4 months now. Location: Germany, Europe.
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Re: BMPCC4K start shipping

PostWed Feb 27, 2019 9:03 am

I just got my supplier on the phone, he told me that even though it was not official that BMD stopped the production of PCC4K to "update their waitlist" but they contacted him to tell that they will ship cameras for the beginning of march...

I'm number 1 on the list of my supplier since december now, i really hope this time I'll finally recieve it. :D

EDIT: I'm in France
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Re: BMPCC4K start shipping

PostWed Feb 27, 2019 9:12 am

I called my dealer in Australia today (I try not to call) but I was a bit fed up so I called. I was told I'm still position 6 and they have received ZERO cameras since October.

But that they were expecting some towards the end of March. Yay....

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Re: BMPCC4K start shipping

PostWed Feb 27, 2019 9:21 am

vermot wrote:I'm number 1 on the list of my supplier since december now, i really hope this time I'll finally recieve it. :D


I really hope that the number of complaints about stuff not working and all of the rest of it also starts to abate.
I hope you receive your camera. I have to wait until at least 28th June unless some miracle happens and Switzerland receives at least 10 cameras......... not very likely on present form.

Oh I am now 6th in line - 3 cancelled I suppose.
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Re: BMPCC4K start shipping

PostWed Feb 27, 2019 9:24 am

Colourberry wrote:I called my dealer in Australia today (I try not to call) but I was a bit fed up so I called. I was told I'm still position 6 and they have received ZERO cameras since October.

But that they were expecting some towards the end of March. Yay....

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Which store was this? I pre ordered from Lemac, atm I'm 21st so a decent way along for a smaller store :(
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Re: BMPCC4K start shipping

PostWed Feb 27, 2019 9:28 am

It was Dragon Image. Maybe not as big as Lemac but close but I'd stick with your position of 21 because I made my order in October so I'm sure dragon images list is long.

I have one on order with CVP in the UK too so whichever one comes in first I'll just cancel the other.

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