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Re: "No Card" Issue BMPCC

PostMon Feb 11, 2019 3:38 am

I'm in the same lot as the rest of ya. ProRes seems to work fine on an old 16GB 45MB/s Sandisk I have. But I bought 2 of the 128GB Extreme Pros, like everyone else, and they are all 'No Card'. I purchased 2 more on Amazon that were supposed to be the old cards model # but they shipped the same new versions and they were 'No Card' too. I'm going to return these and try to find some old cards around town. Doesn't anyone know of any alternatives yet? :cry:
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Re: "No Card" Issue BMPCC

PostTue Feb 12, 2019 10:01 am

I post this discussion on the same topic here because many might not be aware of: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=83050&p=477241#p477241

There is also this alternative card, quoted below, that some of you might want to try.

Johan Cramer wrote:Found out that the Samsung EVO Plus UHS-1 256GB (advertised on the package with "Read Speed up to 100MBs/, Write Speed up to 90 MB/s), a MicroSD card with included full-size SD adapter, works flawlessly for recording up to 30fps RAW CinemaDNG on the old (1080p) Pocket Cinema Camera. Tested 20 minutes continuous recording with lots of flicker and motion - no problems/framedrops whatsoever.

Just like the old Sandisk Extreme Pro, it also works for recording 4K DCI CinemaDNG 4:1 with up to 25fps in the Pocket 4K.

The Samsung card is a bargain for about $60. Would be good if BM could officially test and (hopefully) approve it.

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Re: "No Card" Issue BMPCC

PostSat Feb 16, 2019 8:09 pm

mikeh1318 wrote:I bought 3 cards online and got them today. None of them worked, so I went online and found this forum post. I have 2 128 gb Sandisk uhs-1 v30 class 10 cards SN ending in 765G and 766G and 1 256 bg sandisk uhs-1 class 10 card with SN ending in 766G. The product code above the barcode all end in GN4IN.

What alternative SD card brands do you recommend that work? All I have used is Sandisk
There is nothing off the shelf and BM won't do a thing unfortunately

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Re: "No Card" Issue BMPCC

PostSat Feb 16, 2019 8:48 pm

I'm curious now. There are many different brands of memory card available, yet everyone here just keeps trying Sandisk cards without success. Why the aversion to trying different brands?

And I don't know why people keep blaming Blackmagic.
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PostMon Feb 18, 2019 2:30 pm

Australian Image wrote:I'm curious now. There are many different brands of memory card available, yet everyone here just keeps trying Sandisk cards without success. Why the aversion to trying different brands?

And I don't know why people keep blaming Blackmagic.
Simple answer. No other brands work reliably for RAW. Collectively we've tried all of them. Please if you know of another brand that is easily sourced and works in RAW then don't hold back. Not blaming BM but don't you think they should take some accountability for developing and selling a product that only works reliably with one card and when that one card no longer is available makes it the customers problem to figure out. Sony released a firmware upgrade to address this problem with the Sandisk cards. Blackmagic is just sending their customers to Sandisk.

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Re: "No Card" Issue BMPCC

PostMon Feb 18, 2019 3:36 pm

There's one report that the Samsung evo-plus 256gb micro card records raw. This would be surprising to me, since I know the 128GB version is recognized but unreliable in the BMPCC. But it may be worth trying, if you have nothing else. (BTW, the Samsung does work in the BMPCC 4K, though its performance is inferior to the 95MB Sandisks, for UHD and 4K.)

There's another unverified positive report on Kingston cards as well.
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PostMon Feb 18, 2019 4:18 pm

It'll be interesting to see if BMD comes out with new Video Assist models that can record to SSDs, or a new incarnation of the Hyperdeck Shuttle that can do the same. If the SD card issue doesn't get resolved, this may be the only long-term option for the original BMPCC and the BM Micro Cinema Camera. Probably the best current solution is the Video Devices Pix-E monitor/recorder; it costs about as much as the camera though.
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PostMon Feb 18, 2019 6:12 pm

Yes, but the PixE has outstanding audio support also. Another option is to redo the VA using the new XQD card with the CFExpress interface, as this is the new tech for high speed data recording/transfer, and is between a CFast and SD card in size and price. Also BMD could just go with the SD UHS2 card that seems to still work,in the VA4K aand was the media choice for the new Pocket, along with CFast cards, the later being more reliable.
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PostMon Feb 18, 2019 7:42 pm

vanschr wrote:Simple answer. No other brands work reliably for RAW. Collectively we've tried all of them. Please if you know of another brand that is easily sourced and works in RAW then don't hold back. Not blaming BM but don't you think they should take some accountability for developing and selling a product that only works reliably with one card and when that one card no longer is available makes it the customers problem to figure out. Sony released a firmware upgrade to address this problem with the Sandisk cards. Blackmagic is just sending their customers to Sandisk.


I've been looking at buying a used BMPCC for a long time, but I'm not going to get one to become a test bunny for SD cards. If I already owned the camera, I would. I've pointed out that I can use the Samsung micro-SD 256GB Evo card in my BMPCC4K using RAW and have no issues, which is why I suggested that as a potential option.

The Samsung is not in the recommended list as clearly Blackmagic can't test every card available, which is why I'm curious that no one is curious to try other brands. And just because Sony addressed an 'issue' with their camera does not mean that the issue is the same when it comes to the BMPCC. The only cards that seem to be tested by users is one Sandisk after another. There are an incredible number of SD brands around that use different controllers and, who knows, maybe a few will work with the BMPCC.
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vanschr wrote:Simple answer. No other brands work reliably for RAW. Collectively we've tried all of them. Please if you know of another brand that is easily sourced and works in RAW then don't hold back. Not blaming BM but don't you think they should take some accountability for developing and selling a product that only works reliably with one card and when that one card no longer is available makes it the customers problem to figure out. Sony released a firmware upgrade to address this problem with the Sandisk cards. Blackmagic is just sending their customers to Sandisk.


I've been looking at buying a used BMPCC for a long time, but I'm not going to get one to become a test bunny for SD cards. If I already owned the camera, I would. I've pointed out that I can use the Samsung micro-SD 256GB Evo card in my BMPCC4K using RAW and have no issues, which is why I suggested that as a potential option.

The Samsung is not in the recommended list as clearly Blackmagic can't test every card available, which is why I'm curious that no one is curious to try other brands. And just because Sony addressed an 'issue' with their camera does not mean that the issue is the same when it comes to the BMPCC. The only cards that seem to be tested by users is one Sandisk after another. There are an incredible number of SD brands around that use different controllers and, who knows, maybe a few will work with the BMPCC.


In the sticky thread on this issue, CJ Maynard reported positive results with the Sony 95MB/sec 128GB card. I've just ordered the 64GB version of this card to try on my BMPCC. Will report in a few days once it arrives.

It turns out there are not that many UHS1 cards in the same class as the Sandisk cards. The Sony line appears to be one of them (95MB/sec max read, 90MB/sec max write, 30MB/sec min write).

Because there are not that many options, I fail to see why BMD cannot devote a couple man-days to testing the alternatives.

But as we know, once you determine that BMD is not going to do something, you stop complaining about it and just figure out a different way to resolve the issue.

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But as we know, once you determine that BMD is not going to do something, you stop complaining about it and just figure out a different way to resolve the issue.

Steve


I've always worked on the premise that if I have a problem, I'll see if I can fix it myself before calling for help. Not only has that allowed me to learn numerous skills and thus resolve problems myself, it's also saved me quite a bit of money not relying on others to do what can often be a crappy job.
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Re: "No Card" Issue BMPCC

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Steve Holmlund wrote:
But as we know, once you determine that BMD is not going to do something, you stop complaining about it and just figure out a different way to resolve the issue.

Steve


I've always worked on the premise that if I have a problem, I'll see if I can fix it myself before calling for help. Not only has that allowed me to learn numerous skills and thus resolve problems myself, it's also saved me quite a bit of money not relying on others to do what can often be a crappy job.
I think a lot of us do. But there comes a time that you've exhausted most avenues.. I'll try to find the Sony 95 thread where it's reported frame drops in RAW on the BMPCC. But it will be good if we have another case.

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vanschr wrote:Simple answer. No other brands work reliably for RAW. Collectively we've tried all of them. Please if you know of another brand that is easily sourced and works in RAW then don't hold back. Not blaming BM but don't you think they should take some accountability for developing and selling a product that only works reliably with one card and when that one card no longer is available makes it the customers problem to figure out. Sony released a firmware upgrade to address this problem with the Sandisk cards. Blackmagic is just sending their customers to Sandisk.


I've been looking at buying a used BMPCC for a long time, but I'm not going to get one to become a test bunny for SD cards. If I already owned the camera, I would. I've pointed out that I can use the Samsung micro-SD 256GB Evo card in my BMPCC4K using RAW and have no issues, which is why I suggested that as a potential option.

The Samsung is not in the recommended list as clearly Blackmagic can't test every card available, which is why I'm curious that no one is curious to try other brands. And just because Sony addressed an 'issue' with their camera does not mean that the issue is the same when it comes to the BMPCC. The only cards that seem to be tested by users is one Sandisk after another. There are an incredible number of SD brands around that use different controllers and, who knows, maybe a few will work with the BMPCC.
Not sure is you've read some of the other threads but we've pretty much tried all the high speed alternatives

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Re: "No Card" Issue BMPCC

PostTue Feb 19, 2019 11:48 am

I've bought several SanDisk XXG cards over the last three months that are working flawlessly in my BMPCC, raw and ProRes. If anyone wants to send me a SanDisk card that *definitely* doesn't work in their camera, I could test it in mine.

If it works in mine, then it means the problem is camera/firmware specific, which would also mean that BM may have more of an impetus to give us a fix seeing as the fault isn't with SanDisk and we have proof.

If it doesn't work in mine, then you'll have lost the cost of a first class stamp but at least we'll have ruled something out.

I'm based in the UK (London) if anyone does want to try.
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vanschr wrote:Not sure is you've read some of the other threads but we've pretty much tried all the high speed alternatives


I've gone through this thread since it began, but if there are others about I don't think I have.

I've read some reviews that state that you need a minimum of 95MB/sec card (didn't say read or write) to record RAW on the BMPCC. My Samsung EVO plus class 10 u3 card is 90MB/sec write and records 4K DCI RAW 3:1 in my BMPCC4K without issue, so I would assume that it could do that in the BMPCC, given that the latter only records 1080p.
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Australian Image wrote:I've gone through this thread since it began, but if there are others about I don't think I have.


See this one at the top of the forum, esp. the first post from Kristian at BMD and the other ones further down where they test this EVO Samsung card and find problems.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=83050

The key is that it's not just finding a card with the required 95 mb/s write speed, something changed about the architecture in these SanDisk cards to make them no longer work. They're still rated at 95 mb/s; see https://www.sandisk.com/home/memory-car ... o-sd-uhs-i but they don't work.
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Australian Image wrote:The key is that it's not just finding a card with the required 95 mb/s write speed, something changed about the architecture in these SanDisk cards to make them no longer work. They're still rated at 95 mb/s; see https://www.sandisk.com/home/memory-car ... o-sd-uhs-i but they don't work.


That's what I'm getting at, card manufacturers often use different controllers etc that can cause issues (I've read about this in tech sites). Some make their own controllers and whatnot, while other buy from other manufacturers.

This is not just a Blackmagic issue, but affects all electronic devices from cameras to mobile phones. The BMPCC may have used technology that can't accommodate these newer cards even with firmware upgrades. It's perhaps a bit like some devices such as action cams or GPS units can't use cards greater than 32GB.
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PostTue Feb 19, 2019 9:32 pm

I think the larger issue is that there are at least two "live" products still being sold by BMD (the Micro Cinema Camera and the 5" Video Assist) that rely on these cards. Unless customers who buy those products today can find a source of older cards, they've just spent money on a product that's effectively a brick. BMD should either stop selling them or come out with replacements that use different media; the fact that they haven't stopped selling them yet makes me wonder if we'll see some new product announcements at NAB in April.
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I think a lot of us do. But there comes a time that you've exhausted most avenues.. I'll try to find the Sony 95 thread where it's reported frame drops in RAW on the BMPCC. But it will be good if we have another case.

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Rudi, I recall seeing that about the Sony 95MB/sec card but there was not a lot of detail. That is why I'm getting my own to try. Interestingly, there are also Sony 94MB/sec cards. But I'm getting the 64GB version of the 95MB/sec card.

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vanschr wrote:
I think a lot of us do. But there comes a time that you've exhausted most avenues.. I'll try to find the Sony 95 thread where it's reported frame drops in RAW on the BMPCC. But it will be good if we have another case.

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Rudi, I recall seeing that about the Sony 95MB/sec card but there was not a lot of detail. That is why I'm getting my own to try. Interestingly, there are also Sony 94MB/sec cards. But I'm getting the 64GB version of the 95MB/sec card.

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That will be great. Please keep us posted Steve.

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Brad Hurley wrote:I think the larger issue is that there are at least two "live" products still being sold by BMD (the Micro Cinema Camera and the 5" Video Assist) that rely on these cards. Unless customers who buy those products today can find a source of older cards, they've just spent money on a product that's effectively a brick. BMD should either stop selling them or come out with replacements that use different media; the fact that they haven't stopped selling them yet makes me wonder if we'll see some new product announcements at NAB in April.
This is also my gripe.. I bought a micro and to date could not find a card that can reliability record what they advertise their product can do.

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vanschr wrote:
I think a lot of us do. But there comes a time that you've exhausted most avenues.. I'll try to find the Sony 95 thread where it's reported frame drops in RAW on the BMPCC. But it will be good if we have another case.

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Rudi, I recall seeing that about the Sony 95MB/sec card but there was not a lot of detail. That is why I'm getting my own to try. Interestingly, there are also Sony 94MB/sec cards. But I'm getting the 64GB version of the 95MB/sec card.

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That will be great. Please keep us posted Steve.

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This 64GB Sony 95MB/s card works on my BMPCC:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/ ... ss_10.html

I included more details in the sticky thread on this topic.
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Steve Holmlund wrote:[quote="vanschr"]

I think a lot of us do. But there comes a time that you've exhausted most avenues.. I'll try to find the Sony 95 thread where it's reported frame drops in RAW on the BMPCC. But it will be good if we have another case.

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Rudi, I recall seeing that about the Sony 95MB/sec card but there was not a lot of detail. That is why I'm getting my own to try. Interestingly, there are also Sony 94MB/sec cards. But I'm getting the 64GB version of the 95MB/sec card.

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That will be great. Please keep us posted Steve.

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This 64GB Sony 95MB/s card works on my BMPCC:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/ ... ss_10.html

I included more details in the sticky thread on this topic.[/quote]Hi Steve that sounds promising, how's RAW recording for extended periods?

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PostSun Feb 24, 2019 5:20 pm

Amazon.de still sells the older 512GB Sandisk card from 2014:
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B00NP699ZI/ref ... RH5Y2?th=1

And 4 pieces on Amazon.co.uk:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/SanDisk-Extrem ... ref=sr_1_2
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vanschr wrote:Hi Steve that sounds promising, how's RAW recording for extended periods?

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I just did 20 minutes of RAW at 24fps, no issue. I'd get a 64GB card if you can; they're not that expensive and you can confirm for yourself.

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vanschr wrote:Hi Steve that sounds promising, how's RAW recording for extended periods?

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I just did 20 minutes of RAW at 24fps, no issue. I'd get a 64GB card if you can; they're not that expensive and you can confirm for yourself.

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Jeez I must!! Will get one ASAP! Thanks a million Steve!

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PostTue Feb 26, 2019 8:27 am

i'm rather angry about this strange thing with sd cards on bmpcc.
Found one on ebay with SDSDXPA serial number, bought it and it was SDSDXX one.
The communication with the seller was so awful. They just sell false cards and offer you 5,- euro for keeping the card.. so be cautious about buying them.

There is also the 256GB Version on german amazon:
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B00NP63XGE
but i can not find the possibility to contact the seller, to ask him, if it is the SDSDXPA for real.

Will there be a firmware update for bmpcc??
now i have a super "old" cam and can not use it... wonderful!
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Alex Schmied wrote:i'm rather angry about this strange thing with sd cards on bmpcc.
Found one on ebay with SDSDXPA serial number, bought it and it was SDSDXX one.
The communication with the seller was so awful. They just sell false cards and offer you 5,- euro for keeping the card.. so be cautious about buying them.

There is also the 256GB Version on german amazon:
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B00NP63XGE
but i can not find the possibility to contact the seller, to ask him, if it is the SDSDXPA for real.

Will there be a firmware update for bmpcc??
now i have a super "old" cam and can not use it... wonderful!


Alex, give Videodata.de a call if those are the older cards:
https://www.videodata.de/shop/products/ ... -MB-s.html
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PostTue Feb 26, 2019 8:33 am

but these are the new cards with v-30. So it seems, that they don't own the older cards.
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Alex Schmied wrote:but these are the new cards with v-30. So it seems, that they don't own the older cards.

Ah, yes you are right.

I've now sent an email to Angelbird support to ask if they know if any of their SD cards are compatible. Maybe there is a solution.
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PostTue Feb 26, 2019 9:02 am

i also have send emails to Alternate, Notebooksbilliger and Cyberport (they should be the official sellers of sandisk in germany).

Also contacted SunDisk, they talk about the compatibility of this one:
https://www.amazon.com/Sandisk-64GB-Ext ... B00IITQBJE
I asked now for a 256GB card and wait for the answer.
But i don't really trust them.

I hope the will be an update for bmpcc to solve this weird problem!
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PostTue Feb 26, 2019 9:46 am

by the way, how is it in german law, if i buy a card, which has problems in a specific camera, can i bring it back and get the money? If they test it on another cam and it works, so there will be a problem, to give it back, isn't it?
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Re: "No Card" Issue BMPCC

PostTue Feb 26, 2019 11:11 am

Depends on if you are buying it as a company or a private consumer. For a company the end consumer laws do not apply. But I'd say they would be only entitled to take it back if they advertise the cards as being compatible with the BMPCC and then they are not. So if the card is not defective and works anywhere else it would be up the customer support of the dealer to decide if they take it back.

Might be easier for to ask a friend if he is willing to take the card from you for the money.
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Re: "No Card" Issue BMPCC

PostTue Feb 26, 2019 11:15 am

mmhh.. you're right.
I'll try this one and hope that they don't send me the new one again.
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B00NP63XGE

#Edit: i hate Amazon.. they want sepa or credit card... :x
don't like to buy there.

Notebooksbilliger gave an answer know, they have just 32GB-Version of the card... useless.
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Re: "No Card" Issue BMPCC

PostTue Feb 26, 2019 11:42 am

Alex Schmied wrote:mmhh.. you're right.
I'll try this one and hope that they don't send me the new one again.
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B00NP63XGE

#Edit: i hate Amazon.. they want sepa or credit card... :x
don't like to buy there.

Notebooksbilliger gave an answer know, they have just 32GB-Version of the card... useless.


Alex, you can buy Amazon gift cards in most supermarkets and use those for buying at Amazon.
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Re: "No Card" Issue BMPCC

PostTue Feb 26, 2019 11:49 am

ah, good idea, thanks!

I asked Notebooksbilliger if they can get the bigger card, but they can not.
Maby I can test some cards in a photo/video shop.
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Re: "No Card" Issue BMPCC

PostThu Feb 28, 2019 11:57 am

i asked the seller on amazon "Skyline Media" and they can not deliver the card!
I'm really VERY angry about the fact, that you just can NOT use the bmpcc... this camery is just useless!
i can not find ANY of the cards, that a mentiond on the BMD-Page (up to 64GB, not even for ProRes), RAW is just absolutle impossible, because there no cards on the market anymore.

If somebody can deny it, please do so.

Now i wait for the delivery of the 256GB Card from ARLT (germany). Because they said, they can do that. But i can not imagine, that will be the right card. Not even the official seller from the sandisk page can deliver it. Its just awful!

I also asked the BMD-Support and wait for the answer.
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Re: "No Card" Issue BMPCC

PostThu Feb 28, 2019 2:07 pm

Alex, in the next days I also should get an answer from Angelbird, if any of their cards is working with the BMPCC. Will post back their answer here.
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Re: "No Card" Issue BMPCC

PostThu Feb 28, 2019 2:37 pm

Alex Schmied wrote:because there no cards on the market anymore.


I don't know how many times this has to be repeated, but there was a recent report that the 64gb Sony 95mb card works. And there's one report that the Samsung evo-plus 256 card works, but I can attest that the 128gb version is unreliable in the BMPCC

I have an unproven suspicion that the non-Sandisk brands have inconsistent performance from one BMPCC to another, but these cards are at least worth trying, if you're desperate. They may work for you.
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Re: "No Card" Issue BMPCC

PostThu Feb 28, 2019 2:44 pm

@Robert: I also now write to angelbird.
BMD just answered the standard answer... it makes even more angry. They talk about a card, you can not buy anymore and name that solution.

@John: I know about the Sony and Samsung card... i think i read everything that was written about this topic here. But some people write, that Sony drop frames and samsung do not even work in BMPCC (non 4k).

yes... i can give it a try and through even more money away, as i already done (bmpcc, cage and so on!)
Sony costs about 50 euro and samsung about 70.

Its bad... very bad that BMD seems not to give a f. about this problem.
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Re: "No Card" Issue BMPCC

PostThu Feb 28, 2019 5:01 pm

This is the Answer from Angelbird:
"We cannot recommend any Angelbird drive for the use with this camera model."
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Re: "No Card" Issue BMPCC

PostThu Feb 28, 2019 10:19 pm

Alex Schmied wrote:This is the Answer from Angelbird:
"We cannot recommend any Angelbird drive for the use with this camera model."

Kind of strange right?? There CF Cards are on the Recommended list:
Angelbird AV PRO CF 128GB
Angelbird AV PRO CF 256GB
Angelbird AV PRO CF 512GB


And from the looks of it there V60 and V90 cards are much faster then the Sandisk 95MB/S
V60 = 170MB/s and V90 is 300MB/s :shock:
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Nobody here that tested these??
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Re: "No Card" Issue BMPCC

PostThu Feb 28, 2019 10:34 pm

Xtreemtec wrote:
Alex Schmied wrote:This is the Answer from Angelbird:
"We cannot recommend any Angelbird drive for the use with this camera model."

Kind of strange right?? There CF Cards are on the Recommended list:
Angelbird AV PRO CF 128GB
Angelbird AV PRO CF 256GB
Angelbird AV PRO CF 512GB




Those are CF cards; you must be looking at recommended cards for the BMPCC 4K
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Re: "No Card" Issue BMPCC

PostFri Mar 01, 2019 8:39 am

pls. make difference between the non 4k version :)
@Xtreemtec: So are the recommendations for the 4k version of the bmpcc?
Otherwise it would be very strange.
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Re: "No Card" Issue BMPCC

PostFri Mar 01, 2019 3:44 pm

Alex Schmied wrote:pls. make difference between the non 4k version :)
@Xtreemtec: So are the recommendations for the 4k version of the bmpcc?
Otherwise it would be very strange.


Alex,
I reported a positive result with the 64GB Sony 95MB/s card on my BMPCC. I don't have access to BMD's qualification protocol so just did some basic tests. I will use it some more this weekend. CJ Maynard reported success with the 128GB version on the BMMCC, even recording at 60 fps, though I don't know which codec. Those details are in the sticky thread on this topic.

I don't want to minimize the one report about dropped frames with the Sony card but I don't recall a lot of details when it was posted. Perhaps that user can weigh in again.

It's been several months now since this issue came to light and I would not expect BMD to update their software (if that could even provide a fix) or even do additional testing to update the compatibility list. They have limited resources and choose to focus on keeping new things coming. (Of course, it's possible that they've done testing and that nothing currently available "officially" passes their testing and they don't want to say so publicly.)

I would suggest trying a Sony 95MB/s card, ideally from a reseller with good return policies. Whatever the result, your detailed report would benefit others in the same situation.

I think if you wait for BMD, you will be waiting quite a while. That's just my observation.

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Re: "No Card" Issue BMPCC

PostFri Mar 01, 2019 3:53 pm

Hi Steve,
wait, wait... 60fps on the bmpcc?? I mean the non 4k version, pls. make the difference.
So does the sony 64GB work in the non4k BMPCC and 128GB in the 4k version?

I'm going to buy a sony 64GB today in "saturn" (germany).
If it doesnt work i just use it for back up or something like that.
So i will back hear with some practical infos about this card.... and i hope VERY much, that it will succeed.

I want also try the Samsung Evo Plus 256GB, but its strange that somebody said the 128GB will not be recognized.

Wating for BMD has no sense, you're right. It seems so, that they don't give ... for that problem.
Pity, because i had yet the experience, that the support was very good. This seems to be a "special problem" for the BMD, with no free capabilities.
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Re: "No Card" Issue BMPCC

PostFri Mar 01, 2019 4:12 pm

Alex Schmied wrote:Hi Steve,
wait, wait... 60fps on the bmpcc?? I mean the non 4k version, pls. make the difference.
So does the sony 64GB work in the non4k BMPCC and 128GB in the 4k version?

I'm going to buy a sony 64GB today in "saturn" (germany).
If it doesnt work i just use it for back up or something like that.
So i will back hear with some practical infos about this card.... and i hope VERY much, that it will succeed.

I want also try the Samsung Evo Plus 256GB, but its strange that somebody said the 128GB will not be recognized.

Wating for BMD has no sense, you're right. It seems so, that they don't give ... for that problem.
Pity, because i had yet the experience, that the support was very good. This seems to be a "special problem" for the BMD, with no free capabilities.


Sorry if I wasn't clear, I meant that CJ reported success with 60fps on his BMMCC.

Good luck.
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Re: "No Card" Issue BMPCC

PostFri Mar 01, 2019 4:17 pm

oh, sorry, i've just read bmpcc instead pf bmmcc.
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Re: "No Card" Issue BMPCC

PostFri Mar 01, 2019 8:44 pm

so, today i tried the Sony 64GB 95MB/s UZ SD Card and IT WORKS!!!!!
There seem to be no real visible frame drops for ProRes HQ 30fps (10min recording) (i can not test it in davinci now, just do it next days). RAW 30fps hast also no visible frame drops, but i suppose, that there are some, if i look at the footage in davinci.

The last test will be a look on a footage in davinci resolve, but the good thing is, that the card is recognized and works!
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Re: "No Card" Issue BMPCC

PostFri Mar 01, 2019 8:56 pm

Alex Schmied wrote:so, today i tried the Sony 64GB 95MB/s UZ SD Card and IT WORKS!!!!!
There seem to be no real visible frame drops for ProRes HQ 30fps (10min recording) (i can not test it in davinci now, just do it next days). RAW 30fps hast also no visible frame drops, but i suppose, that there are some, if i look at the footage in davinci.

The last test will be a look on a footage in davinci resolve, but the good thing is, that the card is recognized and works!
Please keep us posted. So I guess if it doesn't stop the recording you'll see the dropped frames in Da Vinci as almost a ghosting effect in between frames. Or at least thats what I experienced with the Extreme SAN 90MB on 3:1 RAW. Not that I was expecting it to work though.

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