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Re: 3rd party LP-E6 Batteries in Pocket 4K

PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2018 2:12 pm
by carlomacchiavello
anyone tested them on bmpcc4k?
i had the yellow version (1300mAp) and powerup my va4k for since 70 minutes, recording or not.

https://amzn.to/2Rd2wpj

i used patona for laptop, led panel, va4k and more, and i ever found a good work between duration and cost. not cheap like common china battery not expansive like original, but for me work fine.

Re: 3rd party LP-E6 Batteries in Pocket 4K

PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2018 7:21 pm
by Australian Image
I only paid about 6 EUR more for my genuine Canon batteries. That said, I use cheap knockoffs (Sony in this case) with my LED panels, field monitor and in my backup V-lock plate, but never inside any camera.

Re: 3rd party LP-E6 Batteries in Pocket 4K

PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 7:53 am
by Uli Plank
I like the Patonas, got a few Sony-style for my LEDs and also two V-mounts. The latter hold their charge very well and offer a good price/performance ratio.
But when I tested one in the P4K, it ran for 33 minutes, still showing 80% and then quit without a warning. The one from BM ran for 49 minutes, gave a warning and quit gracefully (both with permanent recording).

Re: 3rd party LP-E6 Batteries in Pocket 4K

PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 2:01 pm
by carlomacchiavello
Australian Image wrote:I only paid about 6 EUR more for my genuine Canon batteries. That said, I use cheap knockoffs (Sony in this case) with my LED panels, field monitor and in my backup V-lock plate, but never inside any camera.

Uhm where ?
I want to buy it :-)
In Italy canon original cost since three time a patona compatible, 26 euros patona 2000 vs 75 euros canon ep-l6 original battery.



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Re: 3rd party LP-E6 Batteries in Pocket 4K

PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 2:04 pm
by carlomacchiavello
Uli Plank wrote:I like the Patonas, got a few Sony-style for my LEDs and also two V-mounts. The latter hold their charge very well and offer a good price/performance ratio.
But when I tested one in the P4K, it ran for 33 minutes, still showing 80% and then quit without a warning. The one from BM ran for 49 minutes, gave a warning and quit gracefully (both with permanent recording).

Yellow patona or green premium patona?
Yellow are 1300 vs green premium 2000 like Blackmagic Design battery.
I know that cost few bucks less Blackmagic battery, but here Blackmagic Design battery seems difficult to find.


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Re: 3rd party LP-E6 Batteries in Pocket 4K

PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:26 pm
by Australian Image
carlomacchiavello wrote:
Australian Image wrote:I only paid about 6 EUR more for my genuine Canon batteries. That said, I use cheap knockoffs (Sony in this case) with my LED panels, field monitor and in my backup V-lock plate, but never inside any camera.

Uhm where ?
I want to buy it :-)
In Italy canon original cost since three time a patona compatible, 26 euros patona 2000 vs 75 euros canon ep-l6 original battery.


This is from an Australian seller - VideoPro (https://www.videopro.com.au/). I don't think they'd be selling products to European buyers. Genuine Canon LP-E6N batteries are currently on sale at AU$78.

Re: 3rd party LP-E6 Batteries in Pocket 4K

PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:08 am
by carlomacchiavello
Australian Image wrote:
carlomacchiavello wrote:
Australian Image wrote:I only paid about 6 EUR more for my genuine Canon batteries. That said, I use cheap knockoffs (Sony in this case) with my LED panels, field monitor and in my backup V-lock plate, but never inside any camera.

Uhm where ?
I want to buy it :-)
In Italy canon original cost since three time a patona compatible, 26 euros patona 2000 vs 75 euros canon ep-l6 original battery.


This is from an Australian seller - VideoPro (https://www.videopro.com.au/). I don't think they'd be selling products to European buyers. Genuine Canon LP-E6N batteries are currently on sale at AU$78.


Wow excellent price, unfortunately shipping to Europe and duty grow too much the price for us, also if he ship to Europe.


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3rd party LP-E6 Batteries in Pocket 4K

PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:11 am
by carlomacchiavello
My friend with bmpcc4k test tonight

Patona green (2000mAh) offert since 45-50 minutes of prores recording on sd
Patona yellow (1300mAh) offerta since 25-28 minutes of prores on sd

If could be useful to someone


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Re: 3rd party LP-E6 Batteries in Pocket 4K

PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2018 3:32 pm
by Robert Niessner
I have been contacted by Hedbox that they found my review here of their LP-E6N style batteries and they have looked into it and made a new version. They offered to ship me a sample for review purposes in January.

Re: 3rd party LP-E6 Batteries in Pocket 4K

PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:52 pm
by Adam Silver
Robert Niessner wrote:I have been contacted by Hedbox that they found my review here of their LP-E6N style batteries and they have looked into it and made a new version. They offered to ship me a sample for review purposes in January.


Take them up on it and let us know your findings. I'm interested.

Re: 3rd party LP-E6 Batteries in Pocket 4K

PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 2:13 am
by Steven Kornreich
So is it my understanding that the Patona green batteries are a good choice as opposed to Canon OEM?
I am shooting 99% in Raw 3:1 will I get more time out of the Patona green ?

Re: 3rd party LP-E6 Batteries in Pocket 4K

PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:11 am
by Uli Plank
My bad experience was with a Patona yellow, the green ones might be worth a try.

Re: 3rd party LP-E6 Batteries in Pocket 4K

PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:51 pm
by Cooper
Just got the camera and stuffed genuine canon lp-e6n battery in, it was charged a month ago or so. Showed 65% charge. Then the camera seemed clitch for a while and stopped showing percentage just showed full bar, then dropped to 58%. The camera seems to drain the battery pretty fast by being just on... while warming up. Now I need to charge the included 2000mAh 7,4V battery, then need to recharge the canon lp-e6n 1865mAh 7.2V batteries before making more conclusion... +the canon charger don’t seem to like the Blackmagic battery blinking like crazy.

Re: 3rd party LP-E6 Batteries in Pocket 4K

PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:41 pm
by Denny Smith
No, the Canon Charger is not going to charge the BM Battery, you can charge it in the camera, however.
Cheers

Re: 3rd party LP-E6 Batteries in Pocket 4K

PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:18 pm
by d_j_1983
Hi guys! Anyone try the SWIT branded ones? I found them for a pretty good price but wondering if they are good and show percentage with the Pocket 4K

Re: 3rd party LP-E6 Batteries in Pocket 4K

PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 5:22 pm
by Robert Niessner
d_j_1983 wrote:Hi guys! Anyone try the SWIT branded ones? I found them for a pretty good price but wondering if they are good and show percentage with the Pocket 4K


The Swit S-8PE6 has only 10Wh compared to the Canon LP-E6N with 14Wh
http://www.swit.cc/productshow.aspx?id=47

3rd party LP-E6 Batteries in Pocket 4K

PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:43 pm
by carlomacchiavello
Uli Plank wrote:My bad experience was with a Patona yellow, the green ones might be worth a try.


I had both yellow and green. Green offer longer shooting, I usually use yellow with video assist (1h of work).
I had since 25-33 minutes with yellow and 45 with green. But depend of lenses and how to use them.
If you had adapter metabone like me and use often the stabilization of lenses the battery work for less time.
I use internal battery only if I need to shoot on gimbal, other time I had GMount and Sony nfp adapter to use a real battery to work.
Pocket4k is excellent camera, but is a cinema camera, very hungry of power :-)


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Re: 3rd party LP-E6 Batteries in Pocket 4K

PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:56 pm
by d_j_1983
I'm so tempted to just buy a whole lot of canon batteries to keep the rig small and nimble. I've added a cage and V-lock and gonna add a monitor etc and it's just turning into this large thing.

Re: 3rd party LP-E6 Batteries in Pocket 4K

PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 4:28 pm
by focuspulling
d_j_1983 wrote:I'm so tempted to just buy a whole lot of canon batteries to keep the rig small and nimble. I've added a cage and V-lock and gonna add a monitor etc and it's just turning into this large thing.

Meantime I'm worried that even the gigantic/bulky battery grip/sled, when it finally delivers, still won't meaningfully add to the running time. NP-F550 is a miniature battery size compared to the 750s and 950s.

Re: 3rd party LP-E6 Batteries in Pocket 4K

PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 5:13 pm
by Dmitry Shijan
2600-3000mAh is average capacity of larger Sony NP-F type battery so this capacity is total fake for LP-E6. 1800-1900mAh is real life limit for LP-E6 type battery size.

Try Batmax brand. They are low cost and use original Sanyo cells. I use them about few months with BMMCC and monitor and must seems they holds well.

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Re: 3rd party LP-E6 Batteries in Pocket 4K

PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 9:39 pm
by d_j_1983
Dmitry Shijan wrote:2600-3000mAh is average capacity of larger Sony NP-F type battery so this capacity is total fake for LP-E6. 1800-1900mAh is real life limit for LP-E6 type battery size.

Try Batmax brand. They are low cost and use original Sanyo cells. I use them about few months with BMMCC and monitor and must seems they holds well.

Image


Ohh that’s great to hear! Does it show the percentage show on the camera?

Re: 3rd party LP-E6 Batteries in Pocket 4K

PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:25 pm
by Dmitry Shijan
d_j_1983 wrote:Ohh that’s great to hear! Does it show the percentage show on the camera?

Yes, it battery shows battery percentage on BMMCC and on SmallHD monitor as well.

Re: 3rd party LP-E6 Batteries in Pocket 4K

PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:12 am
by d_j_1983
Dmitry Shijan wrote:
d_j_1983 wrote:Ohh that’s great to hear! Does it show the percentage show on the camera?

Yes, it battery shows battery percentage on BMMCC and on SmallHD monitor as well.


Oh damn I can’t seem to find it somewhere that ships to Australia :(

Re: 3rd party LP-E6 Batteries in Pocket 4K

PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 1:33 am
by d_j_1983
Dmitry Shijan wrote:
d_j_1983 wrote:Ohh that’s great to hear! Does it show the percentage show on the camera?

Yes, it battery shows battery percentage on BMMCC and on SmallHD monitor as well.


Silly question : the canon OEM batteries say 7.4V and these say 7.2V. Does that difference matter?

Just saw them on the Aloexpress shopping app!

Re: 3rd party LP-E6 Batteries in Pocket 4K

PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 1:35 am
by Dmitry Shijan

Re: 3rd party LP-E6 Batteries in Pocket 4K

PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 1:40 am
by d_j_1983
Dmitry Shijan wrote:https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32836831874.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32836923146.html


Aw thank you mate! Just saw them too on the AliExpress app!

Just wondering if that difference in voltage 7.2V vs 7.4V is anything to be concerned about?

Re: 3rd party LP-E6 Batteries in Pocket 4K

PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:18 am
by d_j_1983
Oh my mistake I had a look again and it seems like the OEM LP-E6N is 7.2V :)

Re: 3rd party LP-E6 Batteries in Pocket 4K

PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:18 am
by Australian Image
Or you could buy a new, genuine, Canon LP-E6 for only AU$25: https://tinyurl.com/y4dozow6. It comes with a money back guarantee!

It sounds too good to be true. :D

Re: 3rd party LP-E6 Batteries in Pocket 4K

PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:36 pm
by rick.lang
Can’t be true, sorry.


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Re: 3rd party LP-E6 Batteries in Pocket 4K

PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:36 pm
by Dmitry Shijan
d_j_1983 wrote:Just wondering if that difference in voltage 7.2V vs 7.4V is anything to be concerned about?


No difference. It is just a average voltage label mark.
Real life batteries output voltage range varies: 5V min. (fully discharged), 7.4V normal, 8.4V max. (fully charged).

Re: 3rd party LP-E6 Batteries in Pocket 4K

PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:03 pm
by d_j_1983
Dmitry Shijan wrote:
d_j_1983 wrote:Just wondering if that difference in voltage 7.2V vs 7.4V is anything to be concerned about?


No difference. It is just a average voltage label mark.
Real life batteries output voltage range varies: 5V min. (fully discharged), 7.4V normal, 8.4V max. (fully charged).


Thanks so much mate!

Re: 3rd party LP-E6 Batteries in Pocket 4K

PostPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2019 11:15 pm
by dondidnod
Australian Image wrote:Or you could buy a new, genuine, Canon LP-E6 for only AU$25: https://tinyurl.com/y4dozow6. It comes with a money back guarantee!

It sounds too good to be true. :D

I took a chance and ordered one. It came today and just like my genuine Canon battery, it shows 22% left in my BMPCC 4K.

If it's fake, they went to a lot of trouble to make it look real. It's a high precision casting, unlike other fakes. Here it is on the left, next to a genuine one on the right.

Re: 3rd party LP-E6 Batteries in Pocket 4K

PostPosted: Sat Aug 03, 2019 11:34 pm
by Australian Image
Because Canon is such a popular brand, it's worth it for many counterfeiters to go the extra yards to try and copy these batteries, sometimes even pricing them just under the Canon price to make them look authentic.

It's a bit difficult to see from your photo, but the one on the left actually appears to be the genuine battery. I use LP-E6N batteries, so there's a minor difference at the top left of the battery, but in other respects it's the same.

Re: 3rd party LP-E6 Batteries in Pocket 4K

PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 2:52 am
by dondidnod
I got the new Canon LP-E6 battery from bestdigitalusa (funny, I don't remember Hong Kong as being a part of the USA). It was shipped from Guangdong, China however at $21 USD delivered. I charged it to 87% in camera and then was able to record for 41 min. before it shut off. I recorded to a G-Drive Mobile SSD with a manual focus lens, no IS.

At 30 min. in it registered at 73% capacity. When I turned it on after it had shut off, it registered at 65% capacity and shut down again after recording for 5 sec. It then registered at 1% capacity. Fortunately, it popped out easily.

I was hoping to get more out of a battery with a 2019 02 manufacture date. I guess I got my $21 out of it though.

My other Canon LP-E6 battery was one I bought used from B&H for $30 USD with a 9 rating. The date on it is 2018 04. It charges in camera to 99% and has 36% left at 41 minutes. It displays it's reserve accurately and can record for 1 hour.

Re: 3rd party LP-E6 Batteries in Pocket 4K

PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:54 pm
by Kris Mil
I have found the Ravpower to work in the same way as the original Blackmagic camera.
https://www.amazon.com.au/gp/product/B0 ... UTF8&psc=1