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BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:27 pm
by domisol
Hi

Is the BMPCC 4K power conector socket a proprietary one, or is it of a known type that can be bought apart in a shop like mouser, so that we can build our own power cable?
BM sells a set of 3 cables, but you have to buy the complete set, they cost USD 55, and are currently not available at least at B&H.

Jean-David

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:37 am
by Denny Smith
The cable kit is available, just special order one set. It is an off the shelf connector, there are some other osts here on the type.
Cheers

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:48 am
by domisol
Quoting B&H "Also, item BLCCPOC4KDC is only expected in early November" that's what B&H just told me.

Any precise reference for the conector? Couldn't find any...

Thanks :-)

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:47 am
by John Morris
I haven't got my camera yet, so I can't do measurements to check, but I've read (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=80084) that its a Weipu SF610/s2. Looks to be very hard to get. What I am considering is cutting off a section of the cable and connector that comes with the mains power adapter and making it into an adapter cable to cheaper, easy to get connectors.

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 5:01 am
by rick.lang
What I find is the SF610/P 2-pin connector:
http://weipuconnector.com/pro_show_188.htm


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Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:59 am
by Lesha_kvaz
rick.lang wrote:What I find is the SF610/P 2-pin connector:



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"P" is for MALE. Female is SF610/s2.
But to be sure I will be good to se actual plug that goes with camera

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:05 pm
by Robert Niessner
On my power supply it says on the connector:
WEIPU SF6 Series

I have measured it:
Outer shell: 9.2 mm diameter / wall strength 0.5 mm / largest diameter 9.8 mm
Inner shell: 5.6 mm diameter
Length: 25.9 mm +- 0.2

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:45 pm
by mwalker1000
John Morris wrote:I haven't got my camera yet, so I can't do measurements to check, but I've read (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=80084) that its a Weipu SF610/s2. Looks to be very hard to get. What I am considering is cutting off a section of the cable and connector that comes with the mains power adapter and making it into an adapter cable to cheaper, easy to get connectors.


I think that's an excellent idea. I've searched the entire interwebs and can't find that connector for sale anywhere. I was thinking of using the seemingly standard barrel connector with the screw lock since my monitor uses the same power connector. Any other ideas as to better easy to get connectors? What were you planning on using?

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 2:33 pm
by jerrygladh
Plan to use my old Production 4k Switronix battery mounted on top of the Pocket 4k.
Is there any adapters (no cable) available for this?

Jerry

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 3:30 pm
by joe12south
Until this connector becomes easier to procure, perhaps it is easier to use a very easy to find LP dummy battery? I know it's not ideal, but it's better than swapping internal batteries every 30-40 minutes.

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 5:16 pm
by Lesha_kvaz
Dummy battery is easy way but not very safe. If power regulator fail it will burn camera.
V-mount a bit safer because DC port can receive 12 то 20Volts usualy, and Vmount battery can output only 16.8V max. So Weipu6 to D-tap is good choice )

BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 9:39 pm
by rick.lang
IndiProCo.com has what you’re looking for if you go the dummy LP-E6 route. I posted links but easy to find on their website. We’re almost forced to go with the dummy LP-E6 because I don’t feel like spending over $500-$600 on a few of these small batteries plus charger. I’d rather spend $500-$600 on two of the larger Sony NP-F970 and a sled and charger.

And all this bother because I can’t get the cable to connect my Cinegears to the 2-pin power connector until sometime in November allegedly. I know, send the bill to BMD!

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Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:47 am
by michaeldhead
jerrygladh wrote:Plan to use my old Production 4k Switronix battery mounted on top of the Pocket 4k.
Is there any adapters (no cable) available for this?

Jerry


I have those same switronix batteries. I found Indipro has a v-mount plate with 12v out. I’m looking at that with the Cable pack from BMD - seems like a good pairing, but if anyone has experience with it I’m all ears.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/ ... ystem.html

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:10 am
by jerrygladh
michaeldhead wrote:
jerrygladh wrote:Plan to use my old Production 4k Switronix battery mounted on top of the Pocket 4k.
Is there any adapters (no cable) available for this?

Jerry


I have those same switronix batteries. I found Indipro has a v-mount plate with 12v out. I’m looking at that with the Cable pack from BMD - seems like a good pairing, but if anyone has experience with it I’m all ears.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/ ... ystem.html


Well, going to use the camera a lot on my Ronin S so LP E-6 dummy will be hard. The Switronix is perfect with the short cable.Just need a small 2.5mm barrel to 2-pin to get it going.

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 3:07 pm
by rick.lang
Jerry, that might be a custom built connection from Wooden Camera or DIY and the barrel connector may not be very secure.


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Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 5:56 pm
by jerrygladh
rick.lang wrote:Jerry, that might be a custom built connection from Wooden Camera or DIY and the barrel connector may not be very secure.


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I also have a D-tap on that Switronix pack so I hope to find some shorter solution for power.

Thx

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:58 pm
by petegoddard
I also have that Switronix battery pack, with a DC cable. I bought a dummy battery with a DC coupler on, but have been told that if I use it, it may damage the camera. The battery compartment can only take a voltage of around 8v. The Switronix puts out over 14v. It should be fine to run through the 12v power connection on the camera, but not through a dummy battery into the battery compartment.

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:41 pm
by rick.lang
Good point, Pete. There is a IndiPro battery sled that includes a dummy LP-E6 at 7.2VDC. The sled with dual Nikon NP-F970 batteries and regulated 12VDC is just intended for the 12V 2-pin connector.


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Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:54 pm
by joe12south
https://www.woodencamera.com/d-tap-to-b ... 264100.htm

Stupid expensive, but that's par for the course with Wooden.

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 4:27 am
by rick.lang
Thanks, Joe. “If s the early bird that gets the worm!” So more power to Wooden Camera who will hand build and verify every unit. If I knew my camera was coming I’m not going to complain about spending $24 more on a cable that means I don’t have to spend hundreds more on small batteries as my brick will work. So the cable is justified.


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Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 4:56 am
by Denny Smith
Good point Rick, I had Wooden Camera build a cable for my BM EVF Wooden Camera mod to the Ursa Broadcast 4-pin XLR. The cable was well made and works great. Custom cables is in the ball park.
Cheers

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:31 am
by John Morris
mwalker1000 wrote:
John Morris wrote:I haven't got my camera yet, so I can't do measurements to check, but I've read (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=80084) that its a Weipu SF610/s2. Looks to be very hard to get. What I am considering is cutting off a section of the cable and connector that comes with the mains power adapter and making it into an adapter cable to cheaper, easy to get connectors.


I think that's an excellent idea. I've searched the entire interwebs and can't find that connector for sale anywhere. I was thinking of using the seemingly standard barrel connector with the screw lock since my monitor uses the same power connector. Any other ideas as to better easy to get connectors? What were you planning on using?

Initially I'll just use 2.5mm DC barrel connectors, simply because I already have some. I can just tape the plug and socket together if I need to ensure they don't come unplugged.
I got the notification that my camera has been posted, so hopefully I'll have it later this week :-)

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 4:10 pm
by Denny Smith
John, I do not think thst is going to work? If you short the power connectors, you could loose the csmera’s DC/DC power supply. I would wait for the correct connector.
Cheers

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:04 pm
by Thomas Schumacher
Gentlemen,

would you mind giving me some advice, plz. The tech specs didn't reveal if I could use an external power solution (correct plug assumed) that delivers

An output voltage and amperage of 14.8VOC and 6.6 Ah
and operates between 12 and 16.8 VOC

as I still have the Bescor belt-battery for my BMCC (https://www.amazon.com/Bescor-Extended- ... B00BMHRG8O)

Thank you!

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:41 pm
by rick.lang
Thomas, the 2-pin power input will operate from 12-20VDC so no problem there. The D-tap to 2-pin cable is available from Wooden Camera now. It’s cheaper from BMD and the website says “Buy Now” but some uncertainty if it is shipping in October. The Ah is not an issue. The only concern could be the maximum ampere draw that the battery supports.

If you are shooting with a minimal configuration the camera is going to run at 25 watts, but if you add things like a phantom powered mic and an external monitor/recorder, then the draw will increase accordingly. Perhaps if you know the amp rating, you’ll be safe with a draw of 35-40 watts. If the battery amp rating is 3 amps, you’ll be more than fine, if it’s 1.5 amps, it may be inadequate.


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Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 9:52 pm
by Thomas Schumacher
Thanks a lot, Rick!

rick.lang wrote: Perhaps if you know the amp rating, you’ll be safe with a draw of 35-40 watts. If the battery amp rating is 3 amps, you’ll be more than fine, if it’s 1.5 amps, it may be inadequate.


I couldn't find any info on that, but could there anything happen to that beauty (I really like how the P4K looks, I'm even hesitating to put a cage on it :) ) besides not being delivered enough power?

BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 10:27 pm
by rick.lang
No harm if your voltage is 12-20VDC. The only problem which would not harm the camera is if the camera and accessories required 35 watts and your battery could only supply 30 watts. In that situation, I would think the camera would just not function. After you unplugged a couple of accessories, the camera would function normally.

Depending upon the battery, I’d be more concerned about that the health of the battery trying to push too much power. Hopefully it can’t happen. That’s why I liked that Mophie Powerstation 3XL that I posted recently. It can power a 45 watt device, which is likely more than a 3 amp draw. The Powerstation XXL can power 30 watts and that is more than enough for the bare bones camera.

Edit
Sorry, the off-the-shelf Mophie has a USB-C connector that would quickly charge the battery when the camera is off. I was referring to a modified Mophie that would add the proper 2-pin connector so you could use it to power the camera. Somebody will do it.


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Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 6:06 am
by Thomas Schumacher
Thanks again, Rick.

Considering the batteries's reviews and the times I sparely used it I guess it should be fine. Maybe there
arises some small affordable power-solution before the BM-cables are actually being sold. Or I manage to get alog with my LP-E6 batteries and my powerbank to charge them inbetween.

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 2:09 pm
by rick.lang
It may not happen in the very near future, but once the BMPCC4K takes off, you’ll see more options that support power to the special 2-pin licking connector as that’s the best solution.

In the meantime, going from a normal V-lock or AB battery brick with the D-tap to 2-pin from BMD or Wooden Camera will do the job without worrying about changing batteries for a few hours to all day depending upon the battery rating.


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Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:25 am
by David Peterson
It is very disappointing that BMD didn't use a more common industry standard for external powering. Which is strange, as normally BMD tries to use something commonly available.

Heck, even if they'd gone with LEMO (as much I hate them being a common industry standard.... gah) that would have been much better!

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 4:31 am
by Tristan Pemberton
I've been in touch with the manufacturer of this connector.

I've tracked down one of their distribution channels through alibaba.com who've confirmed they sell directly to Blackmagic Design and that the part number is indeed SF610/P2.

This is the part sheet they sent over:
SF6 sm.jpg
SF6 Series Part Sheet
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I'm planning to buy a heap to make up some cables.

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 6:20 am
by Thomas Schumacher
Tristan Pemberton wrote:I've been in touch with the manufacturer of this connector.

I've tracked down one of their distribution channels through alibaba.com who've confirmed they sell directly to Blackmagic Design and that the part number is indeed SF610/P2.

This is the part sheet they sent over:

I'm planning to buy a heap to make up some cables.


Great find, Tristan!

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 5:49 pm
by rick.lang
Tristan, you should make a guest appearance in the theatrical performance I’m shooting today. It’s a detective multiple murder mystery and you’ve got what it takes.


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Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 2:21 am
by Marc Koecher
Tristan, I’ve been looking on AliExpress myself but finding them to be quite expensive there. Have you found a decent price or another distribution source without having to buy them in huge amounts? What’s the price you’ve been able to find? I’m sure these will become a fairly common request in the future.

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 2:31 am
by Australian Image
I'm waiting for my cable kit as well. At the moment I'm using a V-Lock battery connected to a dummy battery, but if I want to remove the camera and cage from the rig it's a pain doing so without unravelling the cable and then swapping the dummy battery for a Canon one.

Honestly, these units should have been in production before or at the same time as the camera was, so they'd be available when the camera was available. If nothing else, a power connector with a D-Tap end should have been one of the first things made.

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 3:27 am
by Denny Smith
Ray, the camera is just now going into real production. You and the rest of thenpre-production release csmeras are Charlie testers, who did an early adopt of the camera. I did this with the original Pocket Camera, and it was several months before it was actually really ursesble, with the required software and accessories. Just sit back and relax, all will come in good time.
Cheers

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:34 am
by Australian Image
Yeah, I accepted the fact that first users would be a test bed. But these power connectors didn't need testing, just production and distribution in a timely manner. If the 240V adapter works, a plug with a D-Tap on the other end would work also. :(

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 8:48 am
by Robert Niessner
German electronic parts reseller Conrad.de sells Weipu connctors. Unfortunately they don't have the SF6 series: https://www.conrad.at/de/brandlist/weipu.html
But you could contact them if they can order that series for you.
technik@conrad.at

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:06 am
by Robert Niessner
Well, I have sent now Conrad.at an email if it is possible to order the SF610/S2

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:55 am
by Tristan Pemberton
Marc Koecher wrote:Tristan, I’ve been looking on AliExpress myself but finding them to be quite expensive there. Have you found a decent price or another distribution source without having to buy them in huge amounts? What’s the price you’ve been able to find? I’m sure these will become a fairly common request in the future.

I didn't find them on AliExpress, but alibaba.com.

Weipu sell directly through that website and sell the SF610/P2 in batches of five. The more you buy, the cheaper it gets. If you buy 1000 or more the price is US$2.67 per unit. I'm buying ten, and the price is US$3.74 per unit. Then add postage.

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:39 am
by rick.lang
Well, surprise, October is nearly over and the November availability of the BMD D-tap to 2-pin cables should improve. Maybe the parts have been hard to find means that BMD has secured their supply and the part manufacturer hasn’t yet had time to respond to the demand.


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Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 1:32 pm
by Jcorbz
Tristan Pemberton wrote:
Marc Koecher wrote:Tristan, I’ve been looking on AliExpress myself but finding them to be quite expensive there. Have you found a decent price or another distribution source without having to buy them in huge amounts? What’s the price you’ve been able to find? I’m sure these will become a fairly common request in the future.

I didn't find them on AliExpress, but alibaba.com.

Weipu sell directly through that website and sell the SF610/P2 in batches of five. The more you buy, the cheaper it gets. If you buy 1000 or more the price is US$2.67 per unit. I'm buying ten, and the price is US$3.74 per unit. Then add postage.


Are you sure it isn't the SF610/S2 you're after? As far as I can tell the P = Plug/male, S = Socket/female. The p4k has the male plug, the power cable needs to be a female socket.

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:25 pm
by Marc Koecher
Yes, I think that was an accidental typo on Tristan's part. It's definitely the SF610/S2 noted earlier in this thread.

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:22 am
by mwalker1000
I cut the end of my power supply cable and made a pigtail using a locking barrel that goes straight to battery. Works great and I also put a female at the end of the snipped PS cable. But now I can just make a bridging cable to whatever I need to plug into. Once the proprietary connectors wind up on Ebay I'll make another one as a spare. Image (excuse the cat hair)

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:57 pm
by Tristan Pemberton
Jcorbz wrote:
Tristan Pemberton wrote:
Marc Koecher wrote:Tristan, I’ve been looking on AliExpress myself but finding them to be quite expensive there. Have you found a decent price or another distribution source without having to buy them in huge amounts? What’s the price you’ve been able to find? I’m sure these will become a fairly common request in the future.

I didn't find them on AliExpress, but alibaba.com.

Weipu sell directly through that website and sell the SF610/P2 in batches of five. The more you buy, the cheaper it gets. If you buy 1000 or more the price is US$2.67 per unit. I'm buying ten, and the price is US$3.74 per unit. Then add postage.


Are you sure it isn't the SF610/S2 you're after? As far as I can tell the P = Plug/male, S = Socket/female. The p4k has the male plug, the power cable needs to be a female socket.

Ah, right you are. It's the SF610/S2 female connector with the sockets.

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:28 pm
by Australian Image
Has anyone heard anymore about the cable pack? I ordered mine a month ago and still no word regarding availability. The BM site has had the buy now link to suppliers for some time, so why aren't they available?

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:00 am
by Tristan Pemberton
Yay, my package from Weipu just arrived.

There are two boxes. One with 10 x SF610/S2 & and the other with 10 x SF610/P2. Including postage it ended up being about AU$7.30 per connector.

These were a special order. Once you place the order and pay, Weipu then begin manufacturing them. From order to arrival was less than 3 weeks. The order and communication was made through alibaba.com, and I paid them direct with PayPal. The communication with Emily was really prompt and supportive so I can highly recommend the process.

Here's a link to their page on alibaba:
https://weipuconnector.en.alibaba.com/? ... 3e5fahnO9p

Weipu Package sm.jpg
Weipu SF610/S2 & P2
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I'm planning to make a bunch of extension cables and custom cables for various power sources. I really like the idea of a locking power connector so may even find other uses for these outside of the Pocket 4K.

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2018 6:09 am
by Tristan Pemberton
Here's a close up of one of the connectors.

It unscrews into three parts, and the solder contacts are protruding in a way that should be easy to solder.

Weipu SF610-S2 Connector.jpg
Weipu SF610-S2 Connector separated
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Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2018 3:19 pm
by Jcorbz
Nice work. Looks like a decent connector and an easy solder job. Hoping some turn up in the UK soon so I can make some dc barrel adapters - may even do a batch order like you if there's enough interest on here to bring the cost down.

I've wired tons of mic cables but never a power cable - any tips on the type of wire used/polarity of pins etc. to make sure I don't fry the camera?

Re: BMPCC 4K power conector socket type

PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:49 pm
by Gavin_c_clark
Just got an email to say my blackmagic 4k cable pack has despatched in case anyone is interested

Ordered it Tuesday from scan in the U.K.