About a viewfinder for P4K ?

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Re: About a viewfinder for P4K ?

PostTue Apr 30, 2019 6:45 pm

It's funny, because an inexpensive version does exist, it's just too big. It's the VL35 with loupe, for under $500. I own it, and use it. But the loupe magnets are terrible, and the whole thing is just too large. You'd think it wouldn't be too tough to cobble together a product using tiny, dirt-cheap (but still 18-bit, TFT!) LCD monitors, like the ones sold for Raspberry Pi or Arduino builds...

https://www.adafruit.com/product/1480

There are dozens and dozens of models of these tiny things, some even OLED.

https://www.adafruit.com/category/63

C'mon, people that can engineer something (not me)! The money's out there for the taking!


P.S. This whole 4K CAMERA is under $1000... all I want is the little articulating EVF! If a soccer mom can have it, why can't I?
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Re: About a viewfinder for P4K ?

PostTue Apr 30, 2019 8:41 pm

Kim Janson wrote:What do you think of Alphatron EVF-035W-3G it seems to be available used on ebay around USD 250 to 450.



It's good but huge. I have hd spectra that I use ant it's very good but also huge. Both are about the size of the p4k.

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Re: About a viewfinder for P4K ?

PostTue Apr 30, 2019 10:30 pm

They want to bloat them with everything available so they can sell it obnoxiously expensive. Of course, there has never been a camera like the p4k so maybe they don't understand. I see the portkeys and others that dont have the capacity to record and yet they have all the tools to correct the image. What are they thinking of?


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Re: About a viewfinder for P4K ?

PostTue Apr 30, 2019 11:35 pm

Then someone will innovate and make a simple evf with HDMI and charge $999.99.

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Re: About a viewfinder for P4K ?

PostWed May 01, 2019 8:50 am

Australian Image wrote:My 5.7" field monitor is ostensibly smaller than any existing cine EVF and has two HDMI ports, a power port, a headphone jack, plus a variety of controls. Were it not for the screen, the guts of that field monitor could be pretty much put inside a matchbox (or two). A GoPro or Sony action cam wouldn't exist if what you suggest is true


Thank you Ray for your detailed examples. I completely agree with you about a small EVF. One with a HDMI port and maybe a USB-C port to charge a small internal battery would be fine by me. It would turn a not so happy Pocket 4K owner into one who had a SOLUTION for very bright conditions.
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Re: About a viewfinder for P4K ?

PostWed May 01, 2019 2:17 pm

Im with Ray on this one. We want a small evf for framing and focus. That’s it. Small enough to bring in a backpack with the p4k. Size matters. All these “small” evf ‘s out there today are really not good enough. We want small, not “small” like a bottle of water. I need that space for a bottle of water. I guess we are just a niche group that the industry don’t care about. Or at least they are not motivated to make such evf. Head scratching.
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Re: About a viewfinder for P4K ?

PostWed May 01, 2019 2:32 pm

Oyvind Fiksdal wrote:Im with Ray on this one. We want a small evf for framing and focus. That’s it. Small enough to bring in a backpack with the p4k. Size matters. All these “small” evf ‘s out there today are really not good enough. We want small, not “small” like a bottle of water. I need that space for a bottle of water. I guess we are just a niche group that the industry don’t care about. Or at least they are not motivated to make such evf. Head scratching.


Me too with Ray on this subject completely. I also want small, there is enough 'stuff' to cart about!
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Re: About a viewfinder for P4K ?

PostWed May 01, 2019 2:48 pm

I’d like just something simple.... like for the old pocket there was a loupe that attached to a plate, that was hinged for up and down movement, the eye cup could be used, or even taken out for clean screen view, and if you wanted to see from above ... no problem... just flip the top ceiling door down and there was a built in mirror where you could see the screen. It was built by Varavon.

I still have it, and it’s the best compact, multifunctional loupe I have used. Personally, I don’t want more stuff to lug around, like an additional screen, it’s own sunshade or loupe, more batteries, and other parts for attachment (screws, cables, whatever). Tried it, and it’s just to bulky, cumbersome, and sort of defies logic. I would rather do that to my bigger camera system. With the pocket 4K, I just want a great multifunctional loupe like the the old Varavon, because that’s my “quick, pull it out of the bag” true run and gun camera. I think most people would be thrilled with this loupe option and not want more stuff to lug around.

We all know that “somewhere” there is a line between a small camera that should remain light and simple.... and the bigger camera systems that are modded out. That seems to be the gap where the innovators are focusing on. Lots of pressure to produce light, simple, and effective products that are cumbersome.


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Re: About a viewfinder for P4K ?

PostWed May 01, 2019 3:04 pm

Not as big and a smaller profile, if at least it were 50% smaller 50% cheaper no shooting tools and less electronics though I can live with those for my other camera or just a pass through so I can use an external monitor if needed,


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Re: About a viewfinder for P4K ?

PostWed May 01, 2019 5:37 pm

My 5.7" field monitor is ostensibly smaller than any existing cine EVF...


Well Ray, for starters the original Zacuto Pro EVF is a 3.2-inch screen, with the base unit not much larger, and takes the excellent Zacuto Z-Finder in several configs. I have the Snap version (smallest) and used it with the original Pocket and Micro Cameras, this EVF is still smaller than the Micro camera. Downside, it only go s up to 1080p30, no 60fps Support.

Next the new Zacuto Kameleon EVF, 1080p, Micro-OLED EVF for All Your SDI and HDMI Cameras is only 4.9”(long)x2.75x2.83” and is even smaller than the original EVF and much smaller than you 5.X monitor!
It has both SDI and HDMI, and is an investment, like a good lens, that can be used on several cameras, and not limited in its application.

Kim is correct, in that users today (perhaps not you and me) want more features, like scaling, frame guides for every situation, peaking (a feature I do want), and exposure tools. Zacuto tried to market a scaled down version of its Gratical EVF, removing all the extra features, and allowed the buyer to add the features as needed/wanted. It was not a market success, even at the reduced price.

Pull the BMD EVF off it’s oversize mounting brackets, add a mini HDMI and Mini SDI input, small power plug and mounting module on one side, and you have a very small, compact package, similar to what the Wooden Camera mod was, but with the addition of HDMI inputs, and I think you have a winner. Good optics on a EVF with good eye relief, kind of drive how small a good useable EVF can be, and is going to be the largest part of a EVF, as it is on the new Kameleon, which half of its 4.9-inch length is the optics.
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Re: About a viewfinder for P4K ?

PostWed May 01, 2019 6:49 pm

The Zacuto Kameleon at $1,950 is a higher end solution but it’s quite flexible. My only concern besides the price is that the diopter is -1 to +4. I shoot without my glasses and I think I need -1.5. So that just might not work. I imagine they have other diopters that would be stronger for myopia. Of course, the optional diopter likely costs as much as Ray’s suggested small EVF.

Sometimes lots of features is good. When you compare the Kameleon to the Gratical, it actually has some better features such as anti-fog coating. My BMVF often will get foggy in a long interior shoot.


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Re: About a viewfinder for P4K ?

PostWed May 01, 2019 7:12 pm

These people have the right idea but its only fot kinnefinity and very expensive.



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Re: About a viewfinder for P4K ?

PostWed May 01, 2019 11:10 pm

Yes it was great but no hdmi. Probbaly was in the zacuto price range.

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Re: About a viewfinder for P4K ?

PostThu May 02, 2019 1:38 am

rick.lang wrote:The Zacuto Kameleon at $1,950 is a higher end solution but it’s quite flexible. My only concern besides the price is that the diopter is -1 to +4. I shoot without my glasses and I think I need -1.5. So that just might not work. I imagine they have other diopters that would be stronger for myopia. Of course, the optional diopter likely costs as much as Ray’s suggested small EVF.

Sometimes lots of features is good. When you compare the Kameleon to the Gratical, it actually has some better features such as anti-fog coating. My BMVF often will get foggy in a long interior shoot.
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Rick, Both Gratical EVFs have the same anti-fog technology. Also the Kameleon has an adjustable diopter (like the BMD EVF) that goes from 0 to + 2/3?, with in between steps to get your 0.5, then add the diopter lens needed for additional correction (“Adjustable diopter ring Drop in diopters for additional correction (+1, +2, +3, +4)”)

Looks like I could get from $200-500 trade in for my EVF Pro model, which is still in good kit.
Zacuto still makes the Gratical X with HDMI/SDI inputs and you build the features you want, this keeps the price below $2K. However, the new Kameleon is very tempting, especially if I had the Pocket 4K.

Ray, the space inside the BMD EVF is the needed FFD for the optical block to have the adjustable focus on small OLED screen. Perhaps this space could be reduced with a different optical setup, but this is unknown. The Kameleon is also long (4.9 inches) to allow for the high end optical block and needed FFD space.

Also Ray, the small examples from mirrorless Cameras you show, do not have a power or video boards as part of the actual EVF, as this is being supplied by the components in the camera. You need to add some space for a DC/DC power board and a video driver board to go from the HDMI input to a signal the display can use. This will add space required to make it a useable EVF that is not camera specific. I had a similar setup on my Nikon V3, small plug in EVF that used a 5-pin connection to the camera to get power s d video signals to the actual EVF which was only a small LCD w/processor board and the optical block, everything else was in the camera. This was not an easy EVF for me to use, poor eye relief and something I would not want to spend any length of time using in a video filming situation. Sold the camera in the end.
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Re: About a viewfinder for P4K ?

PostThu May 02, 2019 1:59 am

Ray, There is a point of diminishing returns with optics. The smaller the optical lens elements are, the less eye relief you have and will be harder to look through for more than a few minutes. I have tried shooting a long vid with the EVF on my Oly PenF, after a few minutes, I had a hard time straining to see through the EVF. With thenlarger BMD or Zacuto EVFs, I never had a eye fatigue issue, could look through one for 10-20 minutes, or off and on for normal takes all day. Spend a day shooting news footage with a ENG camera, with a proper EVF, then try the same thing with a small camcorder with its little EVF, and you will see what I mean.
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Re: About a viewfinder for P4K ?

PostThu May 02, 2019 5:59 am

Australian Image wrote: If it did nothing more than allowed a 100% view and focus peaking, I'd be very, very, happy.


Me too!
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Re: About a viewfinder for P4K ?

PostThu May 02, 2019 2:02 pm

The technology to make a low-cost, small viewfinder is readily available. The only thing lacking is the will.
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Re: About a viewfinder for P4K ?

PostMon May 06, 2019 5:02 am

So can the ef2 evf be used with just an hdmi connector? I looked through the posts but couldn’t find if it was just said it was possible or it was just being suggested as an idea.

Cause I think that’s a great idea too! Small enough to just always have in your bag or pocket in case you need (“the pocket evf” :) practical, small, lightweight.


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Re: About a viewfinder for P4K ?

PostMon May 06, 2019 5:18 am

Brian Nager wrote:Cause I think that’s a great idea too! Small enough to just always have in your bag or pocket in case you need (“the pocket evf” :) practical, small, lightweight


Exactly what I would like and why I would snap one up!
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Re: About a viewfinder for P4K ?

PostMon May 06, 2019 8:03 am

Good video. On the Ursa it makes perfect sense and I am sure it is a v. good viewfinder. Not what I want for a Pocket 4K though.
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Re: About a viewfinder for P4K ?

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Australian Image wrote:All that industrious individuals needs to do is work out how to modify the likes of the VF-2, or similar, to work with HDMI and he'll be a hero.


If only I had the technical knowledge to become the hero! I would do it in a flash.
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Re: About a viewfinder for P4K ?

PostWed May 08, 2019 6:46 pm

Will the 1280 x 720 display of the Gratical X be a sufficient resolution for hitting focus in 4k? Thanks
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zacuto gratical eye X

PostThu May 23, 2019 3:14 pm

The first simple evf with add ons. Cheap for zacuto standards (kind of).

https://www.zacuto.com/gratical-x-hdmi- ... atical%20x

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Re: About a viewfinder for P4K ?

PostThu May 23, 2019 3:52 pm

The Gratical X has been around for a while, but while “more affordable” it is not exactly small.
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Re: About a viewfinder for P4K ?

PostThu May 23, 2019 4:47 pm

I'll wait till cinegear to see if something comes up, if not it looks like it's going to be either a portkeys evf or sidefinder for me.

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Re: About a viewfinder for P4K ?

PostThu May 23, 2019 5:20 pm

The Side Finder is a nice option, used one on my AF100 and Ursa Broadcast before I got the BMD EVF.
However, it can be a little disconcerting at first, if you are not used to looking through (vs looking at) a reflex type finder. But the image is nice and clear, and you scale the image size to suit, plus you get an additional monitor too!
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Re: About a viewfinder for P4K ?

PostThu May 23, 2019 5:46 pm

Denny Smith wrote:The Side Finder is a nice option, used one on my AF100 and Ursa Broadcast before I got the BMD EVF.
However, it can be a little disconcerting at first, if you are not used to looking through (vs looking at) a reflex type finder. But the image is nice and clear, and you scale the image size to suit, plus you get an additional monitor too!
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I like eng type shooting. Maybe you can help me decide. I would much appreciate your input. The sidefinder was discontinued in 2016 but they're selling an unused closed box for the same price they had when it was still available. Porkeys is selling a new evf eng type for the same price. What do you think?




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Re: About a viewfinder for P4K ?

PostThu May 23, 2019 5:56 pm

I have not tried the PortKey EVF, but have used a SideFi dear setup, which is a little in the bulky side, but lightweight. The PortKey looks interesting, see if you can get one with a return option, if you do not like looking through one. EVFs are kind of a personal thing, based on your vision requirements, experience using EVFs and eye relief for viewing comfort. What I like, you may not. :mrgreen:
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I have not tried the PortKey EVF, but have used a SideFi dear setup, which is a little in the bulky side, but lightweight. The setup is easy to look through and focus is quick and accurate using one. But, as I previously mentioned, it is a reflex viewer vs a direct view optical EVF. I prefer the later, which is why I got the BMD EVF and did the Wooden Camera mod, to reduce its bulk. The closest EVF to this would be the Gratical Eye, but it costs more. Use Side Finders are available at a good price, if you already have the 501 Monitor (501 is HDMI and costs less than the 502/SDI or 503 Bright models).

The PortKey looks interesting, with a good price. You should see if you can get one with a return option, if you do not like looking through it or it doesn’t work for you. It did get a coup,e of good reviews. But, EVFs are kind of a personal thing, based on your vision requirements, experience using EVFs and eye relief for viewing comfort. What I like, you may not. :mrgreen:
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Re: About a viewfinder for P4K ?

PostThu May 23, 2019 6:10 pm

I'll see. Whichever I decide, it's for my bmp4k, fs700 and occasionally an fs7. I also have an af100 but wouldn't know why I would use it with an evf. I much prefer the e.n.g. type.

The portkeys has a smaller footprint of 2,5 x 2.00 x 7,4.

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Re: About a viewfinder for P4K ?

PostThu May 23, 2019 6:20 pm

I used the EVF on my AF100 when shooting outdoors on sticks, and in the Studio to get an accurate focus, when needed. Use it this way in the Ursa Broadcast, and when shooting shoulder mounted. I first used the Zacuto EVF Pro (3-inch screen with a loupe setup) it worked very well for pulling an accurate focus.

Early ENG cameras I learned with, didn’t have a screen, just the EVF, so an EVF became part of my workflow. We had to add an external monitor screen when doing events, to reduce eye fatigue trying to use the EVF for extended times. I find the EVF great for getting an accurate focus, and framing when shoulder mounted or in outdoor sunny conditions. Otherwise the high quality monitors available today are very useable in the field or studio.
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Re: About a viewfinder for P4K ?

PostFri May 24, 2019 5:43 pm

HDMI to SDI converters are not all that hard to find - BMD actually makes a few models:

https://smile.amazon.com/Blackmagic-Des ... way&sr=8-3

Plenty of cheaper (likely Chinese) ones floating around too.
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Re: About a viewfinder for P4K ?

PostMon Jun 17, 2019 3:00 pm

Hi Kim,

What’s the latest status on your BMPCC4K loupe. Also how does it attach to the body?

Very interested now my Zacuto’s defunct after the arrival of the BMPCC4K.

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Re: About a viewfinder for P4K ?

PostMon Jun 17, 2019 3:21 pm

That sounds great, Kim. Please keep me updated. At the moment we’re running the BMPCC4K with a small rig cage so would probably want to attach into that. Shooting Berlin’s nightlife would certainly benefit from a loupe for focussing and an extra point of contact for stability

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Re: About a viewfinder for P4K ?

PostThu Jun 20, 2019 4:57 am

Kim Janson wrote:For that what I posted pefore should be just fine. inexpensive HDMI ro AV converter and this. I may use that for a drone, just for framing. It is analogue signal anyway.

Screenshot 2019-05-02 at 5.54.38.jpg


Just connect analogue video (two wires) and 5V to a USB battery from HDMI converter and the monocular. (two wires) Prety simple, not even necessary to solder, just protect the wires. At your own risk of course. And no gurarantees it will work.


This could work with BMMCC or BMMSC as these cameras have composite video output.
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Re: About a viewfinder for P4K ?

PostThu Jun 20, 2019 5:00 pm

This example shows Zacuto’s largest EVF. Their new Kameleon, is much smaller measuring in at 4.9 x 2.75 x 2.83" / 12.45 x 6.99 x 7.19 cm. This and the Gratical Eye are about as small as yiu are going to get a high end EVF that has enough Eye relief for most professional (looking through the EVF 3-6 hrs a day during a shoot). While smaller EVFs may be possible, but shrinking it also shirks the optical part, and that is were the issue is, you need a large enough optical block to give a good, unrestricted, easy to look at, experience for a too, you will be using more than just once or twice a year.

Built in EVFs on most mirrorless cameras are not that easy to use for video, but work fine for still photography, where you are not trying to look through it for five minutes or more at a time.

Perhaps their is an emerging market for a lower cost, mass market EVF to use on the new small cameras coming out. But right now, this is a very small market, and the cost is high because the demand and production is low. But even at $1995, the first batch of Kameleon B&H got (not sure how many that was) have already sold out.

Ideally, I would like to see a slightly smaller version of the BMD EVF without the Ursa Mini Mount setup, that has HDMI input, and can be powered by 7.5 to 18 VDC, so various power options, including NP type batteries will work with it, at a cost under $800. I do not want a smaller optical system than the ones currently used on the Kameleon or BMD EVF, they are a good size, offering excellent eye relief. Also, an OLED would be perfect.

For me, the Kameleon EVF offers the best current option for a good HDMI EVF to use with a Camera like the Pocket 4K or a Nikon Z6. Yes, like good lenses, this EVF costs more than these two cameras, but this EVF is also marked to Panasonic EVA1 users, who paid $5-6K for their camera. I wish it were more like $995, also, I would get one tomorrow. But meanwhile, I will struggle on with my BMD/Wooden Camera mod EVF, and use a HDMI to SDI Converter with HDMI out Cameras, which adds bulk.
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Re: About a viewfinder for P4K ?

PostSun Jun 23, 2019 6:05 pm

I've had enough shooting daylight exterior with the pk4. Going back to the fs700 or f7. A friend loaned me a shinobi, works ok if you don't have the sun behind you, go figure.

Ill use the pk4 for interior or night shooting. Until something comes out, Yes, I have a spectra HD evf that works fine but its bigger than my p4k.

The loop pictured above looks good (I don't have a 3d printer nor desire to get one) but it depends on the diopter. If not I hope the cup permits the use of eyeglass.

I hope BMD or someone else comes out with a good EVF for The p4k. If not I'll have to purchase the portkeys. The bmd evf hack looks good but I don't want to add an SDI to HDMI box to complicate my cage.

I can justify the portkeys because I can use it with my other cameras but would rather spend less.


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Re: About a viewfinder for P4K ?

PostMon Jun 24, 2019 10:41 am

If you don't mind adding a bit of bulk to the rig, the eye piece itself can stay relative small. A solution that just needs some robust cable with plugs to connect both parts.
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Re: About a viewfinder for P4K ?

PostMon Jun 24, 2019 2:50 pm

Bunk Timmer wrote:If you don't mind adding a bit of bulk to the rig, the eye piece itself can stay relative small. A solution that just needs some robust cable with plugs to connect both parts.
split-up-EVF.jpg


Could you please post the link to the article or video?

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Re: About a viewfinder for P4K ?

PostMon Jun 24, 2019 5:01 pm

I like to use a small monitor indoor over an EVF, but an EVF or a loupe outdoors to shade the daylight. Recently, I got the SmallHD FOCUS OLED 5.5 SDI monitor and cine kit. I'm sold on this product. The screen is so damn good and visibility is par. I'm using it on the UMP but will use it in my upcoming P4K as well. The monitor comes with a sunshade and I love how SmallHD made it clamp the sunshade to the monitor - it's very sturdy and well made. The FOCUS has been their most marketable product on both the pro and prosumer market. I hope they will come up with a loupe for it. Price reasonably, I think they will sell a lot - almost the number of FOCUS OLED 5.5 they expect to sell. Other than that, other loupe makers should be thinking about making loupes for the FOCUS. SmallHD design are elegant and I hope they do create the loupe for it.
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Re: About a viewfinder for P4K ?

PostMon Jun 24, 2019 8:23 pm

Sorry ...I thought it was clear that that was just a mockup.
The thing is, I agree with Ray Polannen that the EVF's are huge. The design of the Portkey's design made clear where the oled is more or less placed, meaning everything behind it is just electronics. So why not move those to the rig/ camera?
The advantages:
-one cable from rig/camera to eye piece.
-Less weight from eye piece, better balance camera.
-short connection cables hdmi/ sdi/battery from camera to electronic part.
-no hinder from evf when reaching lens for manual control.

No idea who is going to pick this up, but I'm happy with a copy if they use the idea ( which is basicly the sony venice idea, detach mount from body).
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Bunk Timmer wrote:If you don't mind adding a bit of bulk to the rig, the eye piece itself can stay relative small. A solution that just needs some robust cable with plugs to connect both parts.
split-up-EVF.jpg


Could you please post the link to the article or video?

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Re: About a viewfinder for P4K ?

PostMon Jun 24, 2019 8:48 pm

Yes, a nice idea...
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Re: About a viewfinder for P4K ?

PostMon Jun 24, 2019 9:46 pm

The tiny 3.5" Ikan with a Kinothenik loupe is light and folds flat on the camera/case with a smallrig mount. All told costs very little and we've been hauling a couple of P4ks with them all over creation for several months shooting literally dozens of outdoor films.
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Re: About a viewfinder for P4K ?

PostTue Jun 25, 2019 5:34 am

If you have a Ursa EVF lying around...
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vereything is powered by a single cable coming from a 12v battery and then distributed to the converter and the evf.
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not exactly a dream solution, but it actually is very usable and all the parts where lying here anyways so it cost me just the time to build.
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Re: About a viewfinder for P4K ?

PostThu Jun 27, 2019 9:15 pm

Kim Janson wrote:I understand, I saw your rig on some other post.

However, I find this prety good for a very simple rig. It provides very good visibility on the screen and 3rd support point from the head when shooting. The camera buttons come easy to use blindly after some practise, everything is nicely acessible without taking eye from the loupe.



Touch screen needs to be operated only when accessing the camera menu, not needed during normal shooting. The loupe provides access to the touch screen when needed.


Where is this loop available? What diopters does it have? will the eyecup cover glasses?
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Re: About a viewfinder for P4K ?

PostThu Jun 27, 2019 9:33 pm

Why don't we flood directly the pertinent persons' email at bmd about our need for an evf? Nothing rude just to let our concerns be presented directly. Im sure they have sold way over 30 thousand bmp4ks. It will be another income stream. Someone get the email and pass it on.

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Re: About a viewfinder for P4K ?

PostFri Jun 28, 2019 2:39 am

Started testing with my new BMPCC4K and the number one irritation is that difficulty in seeing the image to do anything critical when in daylight. I cannot see it well enough at 100% brightness to judge levels and will totally rely on false colour. I cannot see well enough to focus and even relying on focus assist is problematic because the Medium strength of red lines seems less accurate than the Low strength but it can be very difficult to see Low red lines on moving subjects.

The BMPCC4K is a wonderful camera, but there’s room for improvement in this area. At least it has full HDMI so either an EVF or additional Very Bright monitor is required. Indoors or outdoors where it isn’t bright, the included 5” monitor is fine. I’ve been so reliant on the BMVF on the URSA Mini 4.6K it was a bit of a shock not to have it!


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Re: About a viewfinder for P4K ?

PostFri Jun 28, 2019 4:24 am

I should see if that’s available in Canada.


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Re: About a viewfinder for P4K ?

PostFri Jun 28, 2019 4:45 am

A lack of proper EVF was the number one reason I bought a super bright 7" camera monitor with 2,200 Nits for daylight capable usage. A viewfinder would be nice and I love the one on my GH5, but the Blackmagic Pocket 4k simply does not have one, so a super-bright daylight viewable monitor (and a pair of reading glasses) was the answer for me on my BMPCC4K rig.

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Re: About a viewfinder for P4K ?

PostFri Jun 28, 2019 4:55 am

The original pocket camera never had an evf. Bmd never made one for them. So I guess we are stranded and at the mercy of some developers. or purchase the portkeys or Zacuto. With the popularity of this camera, I don't understand why hasn't any developer come forward with a p4k specific solution.


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