New video assist

Will the new video assist allow Blackmagic Raw recording from an Ursa Mini 4.6k? or even a BMCC?

Will there be a way to record Blackmagic Raw 1080p , but without a sensor crop, by outputting a 1080p signal via SDI on an Ursa Mini 4.6k?

Will the new video assist allow Blackmagic Raw recording from an Ursa Mini 4.6k? or even a BMCC?

Will there be a way to record Blackmagic Raw 1080p , but without a sensor crop, by outputting a 1080p signal via SDI on an Ursa Mini 4.6k?

Tech specs page on the website does not list 4.6K right now but it may be an oversight as by definition BRAW uses the raw signal.

It will work for any camera that has a firmware that allows RAW over SDI or HDMI and that BM has built a sensor profile for.

You cannot record 1080p BRAW without a sensor crop on a camera where that is not the sensor resolution as by definition the data it records is the actual values recorded at each pixel with compression applied.

Will the new video assist allow Blackmagic Raw recording from an Ursa Mini 4.6k? or even a BMCC?

Will there be a way to record Blackmagic Raw 1080p , but without a sensor crop, by outputting a 1080p signal via SDI on an Ursa Mini 4.6k?

RAW is information straight from the sensor unprocessed. If you have a 4.6k sensor...RAW is 4.6k resolution. So no down-scaling done in camera. If you want 1080 files utilizing the whole sesnor (not cropping), you'll have to record RAW at the full sensor size and down-rez yourself.

Cool, thanks

Will the new video assist allow Blackmagic Raw recording from an Ursa Mini 4.6k? or even a BMCC?

Will there be a way to record Blackmagic Raw 1080p , but without a sensor crop, by outputting a 1080p signal via SDI on an Ursa Mini 4.6k?

So it would work on sony fs5,7 and the 700?

Ricardo Marty

I’m hoping Bluetooth was secretly added and in a future firmware update it’s enabled so you can control BMD cameras with Bluetooth like the Pockets and UMP.


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Ricardo, Grant said Braw will only be available for the Panasonic EVA1 and Canon C300II, which can output a Raw signal via SDI.

It is... expensive!

It is... expensive!

Really? For 2,500 nit brightness 5" (1920x1080) or 7" (1920x1200) monitor/recorders, with SDI & HDMI I/O, dual XLR audio inputs on the 7" model, scopes, metal enclosures, and which can record & display up to 4K HDR in 3 different codecs including BRAW, on SD cards or USB-C SSD drives?

Are there comparable devices which cost less from other vendors?

I do think it’s great that BMD announced their updated Video Assist 12G with 2500nits touch screen so shooting stress-free in bright light will be possible. Got to add that to the wishlist for the BMPCC4K. It’s apparently very well integrated into the BMD cameras it may serve, but not restricted to BMD only.


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Ricardo, Grant said Braw will only be available for the Panasonic EVA1 and Canon C500, which can output a Raw signal via SDI.

So can the sony fs5, fs7 and fs700

Ricardo Marty

It is... expensive!

Really? For 2,500 nit brightness 5" (1920x1080) or 7" (1920x1200) monitor/recorders, with SDI & HDMI I/O, dual XLR audio inputs on the 7" model, scopes, metal enclosures, and which can record & display up to 4K HDR in 3 different codecs including BRAW, on SD cards or USB-C SSD drives?

Are there comparable devices which cost less from other vendors?

It's also a kick in the but to atomos

Ricardo Marty

Yes, closest Atomos have is the Shogun 7 HDR that is $1499. It does do internal switching for HD though but does not have as bright a screen( but area backlight ) or flexibility of recording media. I have a 5" Video assist that I have stopped using since getting the Ninja V that works fine but was also think of getting a 7". These new Video Assist look really good. For $200 more the 7" is a very good deal compared to the 5" considering the added size and features.

I agree, the new VA 7-inch looks good.
Cheers

It is... expensive!

Really? For 2,500 nit brightness 5" (1920x1080) or 7" (1920x1200) monitor/recorders, with SDI & HDMI I/O, dual XLR audio inputs on the 7" model, scopes, metal enclosures, and which can record & display up to 4K HDR in 3 different codecs including BRAW, on SD cards or USB-C SSD drives? Are there comparable devices which cost less from other vendors?

Just dreaming now, but imagine using this new 7" VA especially with an all-but-inevitable "Micro Cinema Camera 6K" (!) when the latter appears at NAB next year? Wouldn't that be sweet?

I'm sure that BMD will want to capture as many cinema cameras and bring them to braw and/or davinci as they can. Doing that could make braw a standard in the mid to lower high-end post sectors. Not to mention other sectors. With that, they then sell a lot of other hardware.

Ricardo Marty

Ricardo, Grant said Braw will only be available for the Panasonic EVA1 and Canon C500, which can output a Raw signal via SDI.

Meaning the original 4.6K can't output a RAW signal?

Ricardo, you can not make a BRaw Codec available for a camera that does not have a Raw signal output. Only a few cameras are capable of this, and their output is via SDI. Nikon will be the first to output Raw vial HDMI, if they can pull this off.

Hussain, no, the Ursa Mini 4.6 can not output a Raw signal, none of the BMD cameras (except the Micro Studio 4K) can output a Raw signal, so you will not be able to record BRaw from them in the new VA.
Cheers

I am so happy they are switching to Sony L series batteries.

Ricardo, you can not make a BRaw Codec available for a camera that does not have a Raw signal output. Only a few cameras are capable of this, and their output is via SDI. Nikon will be the first to output Raw vial HDMI, if they can pull this off.Cheers

The fs 700 received a firmware update to 4k so it can output SDI raw. I even contacted atomos. You can check the atomos website to the shogun inferno specs were it shows the shogun able to work prores raw also the fs5 and 7.


These are the cameras that have SDI raw output:

[i]Supported Codecs & Frame Rates (Record & Playback)
Raw to:
ProRes RAW

ProRes

CinemaDNG
(CDNG up to 30p only)
Avid DNxHD

Sony FS700, FS-5, FS-7, FS-7MkII
4K DCI; 24/25/30/50/60p
4K UHD; not supported in camera
2K; 24/25/30/50/60/100/120/200/240p
1080; not supported in camera

Canon
C300MKII/C500 CDNG
4K DCI; 24/25/30p
4K UHD; 24/25/30p
2K; not supported in camera
1080; not supported in camera

Panasonic
VaricamLT, EVA1
5.7K DCI; 24/25/30p (EVA1 ProRes RAW only)
4K DCI; 24/25/30/50/60p
4K UHD; 24/25/30/50/60p
2K; 24/25/30/50/60/100/120/200/240p 1080; not supported in camera
[/i]

The newer cameras will have raw output from hdmi like the nikon6 and the lumix s1. Guess that sdi raw is dying.
Ricardo Marty

This came out just about the right time! I am looking for a bigger monitor (7" or bigger preferred) to be used off-camera. As a second monitor for director/focus puller. Also, I would like to use the same monitor on my edit computer as a second monitor. Like a PGM monitor from DaVinci Resolve to see a decent size image when color grading and editing.

I haven't yet made the switch to Resolve 16, but know that it now supports second monitors to be plugged in and used as a second screen. But if I have understood right that isn't "accurate" monitor until you buy the BMD video card and plug it into that. I believe it's totally fine as a reference monitor but if precise color correction display is needed it is not the solution for that. Please, correct me if I am wrong.

I like the idea that I could use scopes, LUTs and other handy tools on the monitor itself and keep my timeline "light" before doing the final grade. So I would still be able to look a closer output what I am finally after the grade. And all that without the need of all the computer power

What do you think? Could this be a good choice for that scenario? I was also looking for the Atomos option and searching on the used market a bigger Sumo19 monitor. It seems like a good monitor but a bit on the bigger and heavy side. I believe it might be too big for some cases and left more often in the editing room just as a second monitor...

This is indeed great news. But as someone who own the older 7" Video assist recorder, I wonder if there will be a software update where at least we can match the files names from the camera on to the monitor.

Hussain, no, the Ursa Mini 4.6 can not output a Raw signal, none of the BMD cameras (except the Micro Studio 4K) can output a Raw signal, so you will not be able to record BRaw from them in the new VA.
Cheers

Thank you for explaining. I suppose it isn't a feature that could be added via a firmware update either. Too bad, really. Oh well...

Hussain, no, the Ursa Mini 4.6 can not output a Raw signal, none of the BMD cameras (except the Micro Studio 4K) can output a Raw signal, so you will not be able to record BRaw from them in the new VA.
Cheers

Thank you for explaining. I suppose it isn't a feature that could be added via a firmware update either. Too bad, really. Oh well...

I think it depends on the sensor. Sony added SDI raw output via a firmware update to the sony fs700 because it had a capable sensor. For Ursa 4.6, I don't know.


Ricardo Marty.

Ricardo, you can not make a BRaw Codec available for a camera that does not have a Raw signal output. Only a few cameras are capable of this, and their output is via SDI. Nikon will be the first to output Raw vial HDMI, if they can pull this off.

Hussain, no, the Ursa Mini 4.6 can not output a Raw signal, none of the BMD cameras (except the Micro Studio 4K) can output a Raw signal, so you will not be able to record BRaw from them in the new VA.
Cheers

So Denny, can you explain the existence of the BMD SSD recorder, which records RAW from URSA Mini, URSA Mini 4.6k, and URSA Mini Pro over SDI?

Ricardo, you can not make a BRaw Codec available for a camera that does not have a Raw signal output. Only a few cameras are capable of this, and their output is via SDI. Nikon will be the first to output Raw vial HDMI, if they can pull this off.

Hussain, no, the Ursa Mini 4.6 can not output a Raw signal, none of the BMD cameras (except the Micro Studio 4K) can output a Raw signal, so you will not be able to record BRaw from them in the new VA.
Cheers

So Denny, can you explain the existence of the BMD SSD recorder, which records RAW from URSA Mini, URSA Mini 4.6k, and URSA Mini Pro over SDI?

Of course. But the following cameras do have sdi raw output from the atomos shogun inferno spec site::


These are the cameras that have SDI raw output:

Supported Codecs & Frame Rates (Record & Playback)
Raw to:

ProRes RAW

ProRes
CinemaDNG
(CDNG up to 30p only)
Avid DNxHD

Sony FS700, FS-5, FS-7, FS-7MkII
4K DCI; 24/25/30/50/60p
4K UHD; not supported in camera
2K; 24/25/30/50/60/100/120/200/240p
1080; not supported in camera

Canon
C300MKII/C500 CDNG
4K DCI; 24/25/30p
4K UHD; 24/25/30p
2K; not supported in camera
1080; not supported in camera

Panasonic
VaricamLT, EVA1
5.7K DCI; 24/25/30p (EVA1 ProRes RAW only)
4K DCI; 24/25/30/50/60p
4K UHD; 24/25/30/50/60p
2K; 24/25/30/50/60/100/120/200/240p 1080; not supported in camera


The newer cameras will have raw output from hdmi like the nikon6 and the lumix s1. Guess that sdi raw is dying.

Ricardo Marty

Ricardo, you do know that Atomos has ignored any BMD camera on their website all together?
They are not mentioned anywhere as compatible to anything Atomos, probably because of their common history.

Ricardo, you do know that Atomos has ignored any BMD camera on their website all together?
They are not mentioned anywhere as compatible to anything Atomos, probably because of their common history.

Robert, I only showed the atomos page to show proof of SDI raw output cameras. If they output raw to atomos and convergent design The BMB VA could support these, also if BMD profiles their sensors. And I see no reason why BMD would not increase sales and user base by adding these cameras. If could mean thousands of extra VA sales not to mention DR sales.

Ricardo Marty

I just put a youtube link showing The sony fs700 raw footage to one of them on camera recorders but it was deleted because probably because it was a competitor video. But there exist similar kinds of of videos for all the sony 7 line.

Hope BMD profiles these as soon as they can. I'm sure all will become BMD followers.

Ricardo Marty

There are thousands of fs700, FS5,fs7, fs 7ll in the field

Hussain, no, the Ursa Mini 4.6 can not output a Raw signal, none of the BMD cameras (except the Micro Studio 4K) can output a Raw signal, so you will not be able to record BRaw from them in the new VA.
Cheers

Thank you for explaining. I suppose it isn't a feature that could be added via a firmware update either. Too bad, really. Oh well...

Well I forgot, the UM 4.6 can output a specific Raw format to its SSD optional drive, but recording from the to the new VA 4K has not been implemented yet either. Not sure if this is going to be an option to get BRaw on the UM 4.6. We will have to wait and see. Currently, you can use the optional UM SSD drive to record CDNG Raw from the Ursa Mini 4.6.

Yes, Sony has several Cameras that have a Sony propriety Raw output, not sure if this would be useable, but BMD will need to test the Sony’s to get a Sensor profile developed for BRaw to work with them. BRaw is a sensor specific codec, and is custom written for each sensor.
Cheers

Hussain, no, the Ursa Mini 4.6 can not output a Raw signal, none of the BMD cameras (except the Micro Studio 4K) can output a Raw signal, so you will not be able to record BRaw from them in the new VA.
Cheers

Thank you for explaining. I suppose it isn't a feature that could be added via a firmware update either. Too bad, really. Oh well...

Well I forgot, the UM 4.6 can output a specific Raw format to its SSD optional drive, but recording from the to the new VA 4K has not been implemented yet either. Not sure if this is going to be an option to get BRaw on the UM 4.6. We will have to wait and see. Currently, you can use the optional UM SSD drive to record CDNG Raw from the Ursa Mini 4.6.

Yes, Sony has several Cameras that have a Sony propriety Raw output, not sure if this would be useable, but BMD will need to test the Sony’s to get a Sensor profile developed for BRaw to work with them. BRaw is a sensor specific codec, and is custom written for each sensor.

Cheers

Hope it's not the case.

Ricardo Marty

Hey Guys!

I am really excited to see the new Video Assist 12G models! There are two features, that I would love to see in the new ones!

1. Will it be possible to trigger record the Video Assist 12Gs from the BMPCC 4k/6K, as well as the Ursa models? And if so, will the filename be the same in the Video Assist 12Gs as given in the camera?

As already for the older Video Assist models, it was possible to record proxies to an sd-card, but the filenames didn't match those recorded on the camera, which made them kind of useless as proxies.

2. Will the monitor be able to automatically recognize whether the camera is in HFR-Mode or not? (It is not able to do so, on the older video assists)

Cheers,
Patrick

I am really wish BMD put false color on these monitors. Maybe via a firmware update?

The new VAs should have both record trigger and time code trigger for its record mode.
As for what features will be available, we need to wait and see what they end up with. The existing VA 4K has False Color, so the new ones should also. That said, exposure tools reading the SDI/HDMI video signal are not going to be accurate for setting the camera’s exposure, but will indicate the levels of the signal to the VA for recording.
Cheers

Well, I am now really hoping the delay in shipping means they've decided to add Bluetooth into the Video Assist 12G so that you can control BMD cameras via Bluetooth. My fingers are crossed that this is why there's no units available yet to purchase.

Something I was wondering however since I was using the old Video Assist 4K this weekend, do the new ones have double tap to zoom in and the ability to move around the zoom? Maybe even the 8X Zoom that was added to the Pockets? I'm still hoping for that 8X Zoom to come to the UMPG2, but it would be great on the VA12G as well.

I can't wait for these units to release.

It is... expensive!

sony raw recorder, which record only sony signal, which is not a HDR monitor, which not have dual recording, which not convert sdi to hdmi and back and more and more and more cost 1670$....

I am really wish BMD put false color on these monitors. Maybe via a firmware update?

false color are common feature in old videoassist and videoassist4k, why not in this?

You know delays don’t always mean trouble. BMD could well be polishing the interface. I’m sure many are anxious to purchase as soon as possible but fortunately I have to wait until 2020 after the arrival of a newer Mac Pro regardless.

It’s eating me up not to be able to buy those Fujinon MK zooms at $1,400 off! I have a use for them both in December. So
I’m glad I’m not tortured by the BMVF12G too.

It is... expensive!

Really? For 2,500 nit brightness 5" (1920x1080) or 7" (1920x1200) monitor/recorders, with SDI & HDMI I/O, dual XLR audio inputs on the 7" model, scopes, metal enclosures, and which can record & display up to 4K HDR in 3 different codecs including BRAW, on SD cards or USB-C SSD drives?

Are there comparable devices which cost less from other vendors?

I personally was thrilled when I heard the price.

Typically to get to these nit levels you would have been looking at the $2000+ level and in many cases it was hard to find monitors above 1000nits at anything cheaper.

Yes Atomos has a few at 1500 nits but the selection was slim, and often with the smaller sizes companies would drop it down to 1000nits for some unknown reason.

So yea, I was impressed by both the price and performance of these monitors. I hope they live up to my expectations because they have set the bar very very high.

You know delays don’t always mean trouble. BMD could well be polishing the interface. I’m sure many are anxious to purchase as soon as possible but fortunately I have to wait until 2020 after the arrival of a newer Mac Pro regardless.

It’s eating me up not to be able to buy those Fujinon MK zooms at $1,400 off! I have a use for them both in December. So
I’m glad I’m not tortured by the BMVF12G too.

Maybe they are gathering compatible sensor profiles from SDI-raw capable cameras, so as to braw them.
This is going to give a lot of head=aches to a particular monitor recorder competitor. Who knows they might even adopt braw.

Ricardo Marty

It seems some monitors can advertise a certain number of nits, but may not sustain it. 2500 nits outdoors on a multi-hour shoot will be awesome! Might need to buy more of the Sound Devices (Sony L-mount) XL-B3 that work so well on the MixPre6 II.

Do we know how many watts the BMVF12G will consume with the monitor at 2500 nits?

It seems some monitors can advertise a certain number of nits, but may not sustain it. 2500 nits outdoors on a multi-hour shoot will be awesome! Might need to buy more of the Sound Devices (Sony L-mount) XL-B3 that work so well on the MixPre6 II.

Do we know how many watts the BMVF12G will consume with the monitor at 2500 nits?

Is that Sound Devices XL-B3 similar to the Sony NP-F970? I assume it is.

I am actually more used to 3rd party manufacturers having names like "Watson NP-F975" that include some reference to the original Sony name. My guess would be that this battery may have a similar power but Sound Devices does not consider it 3rd party since it was made for their device.

So perhaps the key is to look for any L-Series or Sony L-mount battery rather than a specific name structure?

In any case, always nice to discover a new battery:) I was actually making a list of Sony NP-F970 equivalents just the other day and it did not occur to me that the name structure might vary.

... Is that Sound Devices XL-B3 similar to the Sony NP-F970? I assume it is...

Adam, I’m not near my equipment now, but I’m sure I actually saw that NP-F970 designation on the battery or the package. I believe they’re the same. I don’t have a branded Sony NP-F970 but the XL-B3 is 7800 mAh. Let me check.

Edit
I corrected Wh to mAh. What was I smoking!?

Has anyone got their hands on one of these yet? I can't tell whether they're shipping in small numbers or there are delays across the board? I saw a reseller the other day saying they were due to arrive on the 26th November. I had a note in the calendar (just for reference, not to buy as I have a pre-order elsewhere) and visited the reseller today - it now says stock is due 3rd Jan 2020... Can't tell whether that's a blanket shift in release date or whether a batch was sent out and the January date is for the next shipment.

Also keen to get my pre-order of an Atem Mini.

Yes, they are the same Case size, but the SD Xl B3 have a higher mAH capacity, than the Sony NP-F970s.
Cheers

... Is that Sound Devices XL-B3 similar to the Sony NP-F970? I assume it is...

Adam, I’m not near my equipment now, but I’m sure I actually saw that NP-F970 designation on the battery or the package. I believe they’re the same. I don’t have a branded Sony NP-F970 but the XL-B3 is 7800 Wh. Let me check.

Got things wrong. 57.72 Wh and 7800 mAh. Here you go:

... Is that Sound Devices XL-B3 similar to the Sony NP-F970? I assume it is...

Adam, I’m not near my equipment now, but I’m sure I actually saw that NP-F970 designation on the battery or the package. I believe they’re the same. I don’t have a branded Sony NP-F970 but the XL-B3 is 7800 Wh. Let me check.

Got things wrong. 57.72 Wh and 7800 mAh. Here you go:

Thanks. Yea, the Wh often vary on all the "variants" of the NP-f970 but its a really common battery so its always fun to find someone making them that you did not know about. The Sony ones tend to be the most expensive so I just keep a list on B&H so i know which ones go on sale:)

Very confusing. My Sound Devices XL-B3 cost nearly as much as the genuine Sony but have the higher specifications of the much cheaper Watson NP-F975! On B&H Photo the Sound Devices battery specs are lower.

Confusing, but my version appear to have worked well. I think I’d get about 5 hours power from the pair, but I haven’t tested that to the limit. I know one battery was about drained and the other nearly full, but I was also using mains power. Need to test.

What is with the Blackmagic Micro Studio Camera 4k. There should be able to output a RAW over SDI Signal according to Blackmagic. https://documents.blackmagicdesign.com/ ... 3171700000

What is with the Blackmagic Micro Studio Camera 4k. There should be able to output a RAW over SDI Signal according to Blackmagic. https://documents.blackmagicdesign.com/ ... 3171700000

Yes they can out out a RAW over SDI. If you set Video Format in the Camera menu to a 2160 format then the SDI RAW output option will become available in the SetUp Menu