Pocket 4/6K Battery Grip

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Ellory Yu

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Pocket 4/6K Battery Grip

PostSun Sep 22, 2019 7:18 am

Does anyone know when the BMD Pocket 4/6K Battery Grip will be available? I have been waiting for the grip to be in retailers for so long now - it's just always in pre-order. I'm waiting for its release so I can order it together with the camera. I think the battery grip is the way to go. I hope it is not another BMD product that is announce but never release.

Vello Grips (Distributed by Gradus Group) makes alternative and replacement grips for many DSLR cameras including the Panasonic GH series, Fuji XT series, Sony, Canon, and Nikon. I think they manufacture for other camera brands as well. They are much cheaper from the brand version and works just as well. Their form factor fits the respective camera model. I have a Vello Grip for my Pana GH-5 and my friend has it for his Canon 5D. It gives me over 3 hours on my GH-5 - which is not bad. The GH-5 grip was about $78, which was $200 less expensive than the original Panasonic GH-5 grip. The 5D model was around $117 if I got it right and over 50% cheaper than the one from Canon.

I'm confident that they can quickly and cheaply come up with a grip for the Pocket 4/6K. I can almost see that they can sell the grips for less than $80-$120. That's a far cry cheaper than the original BMD grip. They have the expertise, manufacturing, and distribution channels. I have contacted Gradus Group as ask if they will produce a grip for the Pocket 4K/6K. Unfortunately, they replied that they have no request for it to date so the scale to manufacture is not there.

If you are reading this post and want to get let them know that if they make a grip for the P4/6K that you will be interested, and if there is a sizable number of request for it, I think the possibility for them of manufacturing one will be there and probably faster than the BM Grip being available on the market. Email them at info@gradusgroup.com. Here is the Vello grip website if you want to see the vase array of battery grips they sell.
https://www.vellogear.com/products/Came ... 1/count/16
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Re: Pocket 4/6K Battery Grip

PostSun Sep 22, 2019 12:59 pm

Possibly the end of this month (Sept).
My reason for stating this is I've had a pre-order in since June. This past week the supplier changed the status to Processing - Shipping Sept 30 - your card will be charged at that time.

Seems like the product wasn't that technically difficult to produce, but would be interesting to hear what the long delay was due too. Maybe a lack of resources to the many other great products/software they've produced in the interim?
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PostMon Sep 23, 2019 3:12 pm

I wish we can get an update if this is a dud or an actual availability date. I'm not buying the P6K until I know this is available.
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Re: Pocket 4/6K Battery Grip

PostThu Oct 03, 2019 3:32 pm

Any update as to when this will be available? It's been on pre-order in B&H and Adorama since it was announced. :(
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Re: Pocket 4/6K Battery Grip

PostFri Oct 04, 2019 2:11 pm

+1

Had pre-order in since June. Supplier repeatedly has said they can get no shipping updates.
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Re: Pocket 4/6K Battery Grip

PostFri Oct 04, 2019 3:21 pm

Vistek told me the expected ship date is Oct 5th for my day one preorder.

Is that gets pushed back another month, I’d find it hilarious.
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Re: Pocket 4/6K Battery Grip

PostTue Oct 08, 2019 1:17 am

Chris Chiasson wrote:Vistek told me the expected ship date is Oct 5th for my day one preorder.

Is that gets pushed back another month, I’d find it hilarious.


It's Oct. 7 today. Did your order got shipped? ;)
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Re: Pocket 4/6K Battery Grip

PostTue Oct 08, 2019 2:34 pm

Something strange going on with this product. Not a difficult technical part. But its long delay and lack of info to distributors seems very odd.

Guess it's time to look at the many alternatives.

Any suggestions for a similar clean and simple solution that keeps the cam small form factor without a lot of bulk, cage requirements, cables?
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Re: Pocket 4/6K Battery Grip

PostTue Oct 08, 2019 4:08 pm

Agree. Very strange. I think it is another dud - like the URSA turret.
Vello makes battery grips for most DSLR, particularly Canons and Sony with LP-E6 and NPF batteries respectively. They usually knock them out pretty fast for the DSLR. I don't know why they are not making it for the BMPCC4/6K cameras. Maybe BMD not open to giving them the wiring schematics, not enough consumer interest, etc.
Maybe it is worth knocking their door and see if they will be interested in making a battery grip for the pocket. Until then, there is no clean and portable battery solution which really sucks. I'm tired of seeing wires dangling around a camera with such a form factor.
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Re: Pocket 4/6K Battery Grip

PostTue Oct 08, 2019 5:07 pm

Hopefully, they deliver on this. Addressing battery life issues in a clean, elegant way for this form factor, which they've made a major investment in, is pretty important.

Given Red's recent PR travails, I can understand why BMD are tight-lipped as a general rule. But something like this seems low risk to provide updates about, even if the news isn't good. The target date was August. Just say what the new date is or that you don't know.

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PostTue Oct 08, 2019 9:36 pm

I wonder if they’ve rethought their design given it is only marginally better than just carrying a couple of genuine Canon batteries and popping them in when needed. If they reconfigure with batteries that have greater capacity, maybe it will be more popular.

Although I was shocked at the size of the Sound Devices (Sony L-type) that I mount on the tiny MixPre-6 II recorder, you quickly get used to not having to fuss about batteries on set. Same logic when I bought Li-ion for the audio gear that can take them. It’s worth the peace of mind not thinking about when to replace AA batteries so you can concentrate on your actors and creative thinking on set.


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Re: Pocket 4/6K Battery Grip

PostWed Oct 09, 2019 1:37 pm

Whatever they are thinking or coming up with, they should just say something.
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Re: Pocket 4/6K Battery Grip

PostWed Oct 09, 2019 4:48 pm

The Keyboard is in the same situation. You'd think a keyboard with a dial built in wouldn't be that complicated to manufacture, but here we are. lol
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PostWed Oct 09, 2019 10:43 pm

What about this one? Gives more juice than lp6’s. And sits wonderful under the body with an built-in 1/4 attachement for quick lock.
https://www.coreswx.com/store.coreswx/product/pb-edge/


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PostThu Oct 10, 2019 12:53 pm

christermolander wrote:What about this one? Gives more juice than lp6’s. And sits wonderful under the body with an built-in 1/4 attachement for quick lock.
https://www.coreswx.com/store.coreswx/product/pb-edge/


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Thanks for the lead.
The power capacity and output options are certainly superior to the BM Grip AND at a lower price, but trying to get away from cables and keep the minimalist clean light features offered by the Pocket4k.
We have Ursa Mini Pro and other big rigs for that kind of shoot. We use the simple Pocket4k and original Pocket for quick setups.
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Re: Pocket 4/6K Battery Grip

PostThu Oct 10, 2019 12:57 pm

I know what you mean. We are doing the same.
We have just preordered this one for the pockets.
https://www.soonwell.com/pre-oeder-ph70
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PostThu Oct 10, 2019 1:18 pm

That looks like a worthy innovation, Christer.


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Re: Pocket 4/6K Battery Grip

PostThu Oct 10, 2019 7:16 pm

Maybe they are re-engineering the Pocket with a bigger right hand grip to take L batteries and including the screen from the new Video Assist?? One can live in hope. I love my Pocket but that would make me buy another one.

Mine you I’d rather have the micro camera updated with the 4k sensor and an L battery on the back, preferably with SDI instead of HDMI. Such a nice form factor and that would be perfect for so many applications - use which ever monitor you prefer.
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Re: Pocket 4/6K Battery Grip

PostThu Oct 10, 2019 10:58 pm

Yeah, I'm kind of lacking the interest of it. I thought it would be the accessory that every P4K and P6K owner will definitely get their hands on. But with the delay, other options are getting to be more interesting now because there is an immediate need.
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Re: Pocket 4/6K Battery Grip

PostMon Oct 21, 2019 2:13 pm

Well it's almost Nov and BM distributors are still in the dark as to when this product announced 7 months ago will be available. B&H seemed to indicate they rec'ed a "Limited Supply". Has anyone used the BM battery grip yet?
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Re: Pocket 4/6K Battery Grip

PostMon Oct 21, 2019 8:58 pm

christermolander wrote:What about this one? Gives more juice than lp6’s. And sits wonderful under the body with an built-in 1/4 attachement for quick lock.
https://www.coreswx.com/store.coreswx/product/pb-edge/

I bought my BMP6K at Adorama last week on sale for $2450 and it included this battery for free (a $239 value).
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Re: Pocket 4/6K Battery Grip

PostMon Oct 21, 2019 9:18 pm

Thats awesome. What do you think of it? What about the total size?
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Re: Pocket 4/6K Battery Grip

PostMon Oct 21, 2019 10:02 pm

It's the size of a V-mount battery and can be mounted on a v-mount plate on one side, and on the other side is a 1/4-20 screw that you can mount to the base of the camera. It's about 1lb. in weight and bulky if I just want to use the camera for a walk-about. I wouldn't use it that way. It will be fine on sticks or with a rig. I have not let it completely drain off the camera but I would think you'll get about 1.5-2 hours of use time.

IMO, for walk-about/run-n-gun, a battery grip is still the ideal choice. But I can't complaint if it comes with the camera for free. :)
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Re: Pocket 4/6K Battery Grip

PostMon Oct 21, 2019 10:04 pm

christermolander wrote:And sits wonderful under the body…


You are certainly stretching the meaning of the word 'wonderful' to its absolute limit in this case.

When you look at a battery grip is shall be near impossible to see where the camera ends and the grip starts. Even BMD's own grip is just 'OK'.
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Re: Pocket 4/6K Battery Grip

PostMon Oct 21, 2019 11:13 pm

Well. A batterygrip is about the same size. And gives less than half of the power. And cost about the same. But has not the same colour. And no BM logo.
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Re: Pocket 4/6K Battery Grip

PostTue Oct 22, 2019 5:18 am

christermolander wrote:Well.


Admittedly, I'm being a bit of a jerk about it. But I much prefer the 'grip' style where the lines flow seamlessly, which aids handling of the camera and improves the ergnonomics. In addition, on a grip I expect extended functionality of a few additional buttons and dial.

You are correct in that a dedicated V-Mount style brick would offer more power, but it's simply too clunky for me. But if the solution you linked to works for people (it's been around for a while), then I'm genuinely happy for them.
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PostTue Oct 22, 2019 6:25 am

AndreeMarkefors wrote:
christermolander wrote:And sits wonderful under the body…


You are certainly stretching the meaning of the word 'wonderful' to its absolute limit in this case.

When you look at a battery grip is shall be near impossible to see where the camera ends and the grip starts. Even BMD's own grip is just 'OK'.


True. You are much better with a Tilta cage and the amazing NP970 side handle. Looks great and it takes a T5 too!
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Re: Pocket 4/6K Battery Grip

PostTue Oct 22, 2019 8:48 pm

So circling back to the original post, is the Pocket 4/6K battery grip every going to materialize? Anyone from BMD reading this can provide the customer base some insight? Just don't leave us dangling again this time - like you did on the URSA Turret.
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Re: Pocket 4/6K Battery Grip

PostTue Oct 22, 2019 11:48 pm

I have actually good information from Blackmagic and the Australian distributor. The Grip should be available very very soon. Few days or very short weeks.
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Re: Pocket 4/6K Battery Grip

PostWed Oct 23, 2019 4:40 pm

i saw it at last Aprils NAB, maybe available by 2020???
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Re: Pocket 4/6K Battery Grip

PostThu Oct 24, 2019 4:06 pm

Now that we know firmware 6.6 supports the BMD Battery Grip, this may be the culprit for the delay. Hence, will they be making the grip available now?
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Re: Pocket 4/6K Battery Grip

PostThu Oct 24, 2019 8:45 pm

That is my guess also Ellory.
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