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All your answers are right here!

PostSat Jan 13, 2018 4:35 pm

RTFM - Google - RTFM - Google - RTFM - Google - AND THEN TRY SOME MORE. :idea:

In honor of all the Resolve Community who post answers to the odd tricky questions to hard to find answers...Thank you for taking the time and sharing your knowledge. :ugeek:

To everyone who is in a rush and doesn't do it... You are wasting our time by reading your posts/requests. :x

If it's not in the Manual, it's on the BMD Forum.
If it's not in the Forum, it's on Lift Gamma Gain.
If it's not on Lift Gamma Gain it's on several other Colorist Forum that are posted in the BMD FORUM!

And then and only then when you've spent over an hour doing your due diligence... YES an HOUR (said so at least you will spend 30 minutes) because you are as petulant and demanding as a 3 year old child with ADD that had too much candy...

THEN you should Post / Write / Call / Send Smoke Signals to get help from another persons spare time.

There are more questions on this Forum that are ANSWERED ALREADY than there are REAL questions and bug reports.

I don't want to be negative.
I don't want to shame you.
I love the community and try and do my part to contribute...
BUT HOLY$%!?!!! People are asking for Upgrade Feature Requests that are already there! :shock:
Too many matches when you Command/Control - F the manual?... too bad! READ THE FRIGGIN' MANUAL!
You are showing your ignorance, lack of effort and selfishness. :oops:

Make and effort. Show how smart you really are. (Kudos to all who follow up their questions with their own solved/found answers). Bring something TO the community and help improve it... and take a moment follow the Forum Rules and list your OS, and specs and attach a link to a crash log (no... you can't attach one their too big) and HELP US HELP YOU... when you really, Really, REALLY need it. :!:

Ok... I'm done. (Posted on a Saturday because I had time to. Get back to work if you're reading this on a weekday. ;)

(This will be posted again in 6 months because... well... you know why.)
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PostSun Jan 14, 2018 5:46 am

Thanks.

Just that.

Thanks.
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PostSun Jan 14, 2018 5:58 am

Yep. Forum Closed.
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PostSun Jan 14, 2018 6:00 am

:D

I always say... 60% of the time, the answer turns out to be: "read the manual." Maybe 20% of the time, the answer is, "get much bigger, faster hardware." 10% of the time, the answer is, "don't use H.264 files for editing and color."

But the 10% that remains are often legitimate questions, particularly if it involves malfunctions or an unexpected result when you process or change an image.
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PostSun Jan 14, 2018 7:18 am

A product priced as Resole currently is, is going to end up in the hands of a lot of consumers who dont even know what terms they need to search for. So you should either learn to deal with it, or find a different forum.
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PostSun Jan 14, 2018 8:44 am

I fully understand why media professionals with often decades of experience are suffering the frustrations of the seemingly "stupid" questions from those of us who are less fortunate or have to work with "inferior" codecs like H.264 and now H.265.
1) "Free software" results in greater product exposure which has helped BM in their efforts to build a new NLE from a sophisticated colour correction software product used for many years by professionals/studios. We do appreciate the time these pros give to the forum to assist others. Free software also results in a "free for all".
2) One possible solution is to divide the forum into licensed users only and a separate section for free users comparing Resolve to other NLEs they are familiar with or even new to NLEs. We are prone to asking "stupid questions".
Or BM could put the price back to $100k which would eliminate all of us.
3) "RTFM" is good advice but don't hold your breath. It's a huge reference manual and not likely make the best seller list.
4) It's complex and changing rapidly (eg Fairlight). Training videos are often more helpful and easier to understand than manuals. "Goat's Eye View" (recommended) has created 125 free training videos for Resolve 12 and 12.5 basics on YouTube. She hasn't started on ver 14 and may be waiting for ver 15. Other NLEs started as NLEs and have evolved incrementally over many years so the learning curve is not as steep.
5) Many of us don't have luxury of (can't afford) pro cameras and have to use H.264/265 media from 4k action cams, drones, and "consumer" cameras. We accept it's less than ideal for editing for many reasons and I accept that I can't fix ten stops of exposure latitude but it looks pretty impressive on a UHD TV. We can afford a low cost software solution like Resolve Studio. These codecs are capable of higher delivery quality including HDR and Rec2020. Resolve needs better delivery quality.
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PostSun Jan 14, 2018 10:26 am

I admit that by looking at certain questions: how to answer?
We do not know the OS, the hardware configuration, whether it is Davinci Resolve Studio or Free ... In short, I go my way => I do not answer.

No help to go => No help to hope in return. :mrgreen:

Yet there is one important post:
Please read before posting support questions
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PostSun Jan 14, 2018 10:36 am

Well, here's another one. All it says is:

"Hello all,

Why is Davinci Resolve so slow to render? Mine is showing 0 to 9.

Vic."
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PostSun Jan 14, 2018 10:57 am

Jean Claude wrote:I admit that by looking at certain questions: how to answer?
We do not know the OS, the hardware configuration, whether it is Davinci Resolve Studio or Free ... In short, I go my way => I do not answer.

+1 Maybe all that info should be in the user profile for easy reference.
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PostSun Jan 14, 2018 3:13 pm

I'd also add:

If you're trying to figure something out on your own then just try it. Things are nondestructive in programs nowadays and there's also the undo feature if you mess something up.
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PostMon Jan 15, 2018 2:08 am

Al Spaeth wrote:3) "RTFM" is good advice but don't hold your breath. It's a huge reference manual and not likely make the best seller list.

I don't have any patience for people trying to learn something who won't even bother to read the manual. About 75% of the time here, somebody asks how to do XY&Z, and I'll say, oh yeah that's on page 660 of the manual. But I type very fast, read even faster, and don't mind helping. Still, it's no substitute for actual learning, and that only happens if you try harder and read the manual. The video tutorials will only take you so far, and there's no tutorials out there that cover all 1320 pages of the manual.
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PostMon Jan 15, 2018 8:41 am

Al Spaeth wrote:5) Many of us don't have luxury of (can't afford) pro cameras and have to use H.264/265 media from 4k action cams, drones, and "consumer" cameras.


But all of you have access to tools so you can transcode the source files to better formats and add reel names and timecode to them before editing. There's been a lot of relinking issues brought up that come down to these kind of things and they could be easily corrected with some pre-edit prep work.
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PostMon Jan 15, 2018 10:11 am

+1

Was the first thing I learned as a consumer cam user: Transcode!
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PostMon Jan 15, 2018 12:18 pm

before my first post here (lurker) I went thrught the whole 80 or so episodes of Goat Eye veiw on Youtube...

so should 90% of new free users....
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PostMon Jan 15, 2018 12:53 pm

Dario thanks for the post. Agree 100%. So many times I have been tempted to reply to basic questions that are covered fully in the manual, or online, with "Just RTFM" and probably to add " and stop being lazy and expect people to do your thinking for you" but I lack your cojones.

IMHO your post should be a "sticky". Just leave it up there. Although many people wouldn't bother to read it. And something similar is already there from BM.
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PostMon Jan 15, 2018 1:41 pm

Dan Sherman wrote:A product priced as Resole currently is, is going to end up in the hands of a lot of consumers who dont even know what terms they need to search for. So you should either learn to deal with it, or find a different forum.
That does not negate reading the manual (and encouraging people to do so). I vented. Spoke my peace & will continue to help viable questions when I can.
Feel free to reply to all the posts that have previous answers in my stead.



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PostMon Jan 15, 2018 1:54 pm

Stewart Hemley wrote:Dario thanks for the post. Agree 100%. So many times I have been tempted to reply to basic questions that are covered fully in the manual, or online, with "Just RTFM" and probably to add " and stop being lazy and expect people to do your thinking for you" but I lack your cojones.

IMHO your post should be a "sticky". Just leave it up there. Although many people wouldn't bother to read it. And something similar is already there from BM.

Tone is a slippery slope in posting something. I included emojis to lighten it up and help. I stated my intent of non-negativity. I offered solutions (web& other forums) besides RTFM. No cojones needed. I learn something new almost ever session due to a diversity of projects & footage. We all do, as we foist our skill set onto “difficult” projects & problems. Hopefully it will resonate with some people and benefit us all (ALL i said). That’s the purpose of any open forum. ;-)



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PostMon Jan 15, 2018 5:05 pm

dariobigi wrote: That does not negate reading the manual (and encouraging people to do so).


You missed the point completely! It doesn't mater how many times someone reads the manual, if they don't have enough knowledge, or context to understand it, then they won't learn anything.

As someone who spends a lot of time teaching junior employees, I can tell you most of my time is spent learning what they know, so I can explain something in a context they will understand.

Then their is the fact that some people are visual learners. You can arrogantly talk down to them with theory till the end of time and they won't learn a thing. Show them once and they pick it up instantly.

As far as I'm concerned RTFM is an ass hat response.
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PostMon Jan 15, 2018 5:36 pm

Marc Wielage wrote::D

I always say... 60% of the time, the answer turns out to be: "read the manual." Maybe 20% of the time, the answer is, "get much bigger, faster hardware." 10% of the time, the answer is, "don't use H.264 files for editing and color."

But the 10% that remains are often legitimate questions, particularly if it involves malfunctions or an unexpected result when you process or change an image.
Completely Agree


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PostMon Jan 15, 2018 5:37 pm

Al Spaeth wrote:
Jean Claude wrote:I admit that by looking at certain questions: how to answer?
We do not know the OS, the hardware configuration, whether it is Davinci Resolve Studio or Free ... In short, I go my way => I do not answer.

+1 Maybe all that info should be in the user profile for easy reference.
Mine is.


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PostMon Jan 15, 2018 6:09 pm

Dan Sherman wrote:
dariobigi wrote: That does not negate reading the manual (and encouraging people to do so).


You missed the point completely! It doesn't mater how many times someone reads the manual, if they don't have enough knowledge, or context to understand it, then they won't learn anything.

As someone who spends a lot of time teaching junior employees, I can tell you most of my time is spent learning what they know, so I can explain something in a context they will understand.

Then their is the fact that some people are visual learners. You can arrogantly talk down to them with theory till the end of time and they won't learn a thing. Show them once and they pick it up instantly.

As far as I'm concerned RTFM is an ass hat response.


I believe posting a question before searching for the answer for the question is a waste of everybody’s time who is reading to that question. I believe reading the manual WHILE in front of the software AND footage AND testing out ideas IS a way to visually learn. I believe that searching and “visually” seeking out answers on other forums besides here... and other videos (goats eye & mixinglight) besides here is a way to learn. Blurting out vague questions into a form without considering the details that are needed to answer them should be addressed... and I did so. Give a man a fish... or Teach a man to fish.
I’m not name calling (love the term AssHat by the way... one of my faves). I’m calling out actions & repercussions and offering alternatives and an alternative way for people to see THEIR questions. I am self taught. I am encouraging that. If you re-read my original post, consider not putting your perceived “arrogant” tone to my post and see my pauses, apologies, emojis & acknowledgements. Hopefully everyone gets something out of this. And takes the time before posting... anything.
And now... back to work.



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PostMon Jan 15, 2018 6:30 pm

if the manual was not so utterly defficent is so many ways - i would agree with you Dario...

unfortuantly, just as when you posted the same thing last year, the manual is still riddled with erors and ommisions, but especialy omissions and some outright bad advice...

the notes i had from last year are still not addressed, and given the video style gradeing approach of the author, i'm not holding my breath for anything to change anytime soon, i don't think there's any understanding of anything but his narrow approach to gradeing, and probbaly comes from zero time on Baselight, Nucoda or Luster.. kinda a 1998 video gradeing tunnel vision presented as the one true way...

and that's leaving the gapeing back hole of F'dupLight documentation aside....
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PostMon Jan 15, 2018 6:58 pm

Thank you Dario for reminding us of simple things for everyone
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PostMon Jan 15, 2018 8:10 pm

Dermot Shane wrote:if the manual was not so utterly defficent is so many ways - i would agree with you Dario...

unfortunately, just as when you posted the same thing last year, the manual is still riddled with errors and commissions, but especially omissions and some outright bad advice...


Hey Dermont,

You have valid points. The manual isn't the end all and be all.
It's the 65% of questions that can be answered in the manual...
or by searching the forum...
or by watching a web video on many qualified sites
than when asked without any true effort prior to getting the answer.

I am all for the community, and the knowledge we share. I am thankful for it. When I have time I run through the forums to learn, to help and to anticipate future problems in workflows. I love that I can find that odd answer about the 4th track ball or the Hotkey pattern that ISN'T listed.

The last time in the forum, more time was spent reading (answerable) questions that not. That's why I wrote this post with this title "All your answers are right here!" - It's click bait. It's sarcasm.
That's also why I wrote "- Google - " several times in between the RTFM.

Hell... even I don't find the answers to my searches on the first try,
the first page,
the first hit.
I learn so much as occasionally get sucked down an internet learning rabbit hole. I just do my best before I post.

And now of course this is more than I ever wanted to write or reply to on the matter and goes way beyond the original intent of venting, commiserating, thanking, shaming and inspiring people.

Nuf' said.

I hope everyone's projects are coming to fruition with sanity.

Sincerly Dario "AssHat" Bigi csi :D
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PostMon Jan 15, 2018 8:23 pm

Dan Sherman wrote:You missed the point completely! It doesn't mater how many times someone reads the manual, if they don't have enough knowledge, or context to understand it, then they won't learn anything.

As someone who spends a lot of time teaching junior employees, I can tell you most of my time is spent learning what they know, so I can explain something in a context they will understand.

Then their is the fact that some people are visual learners. You can arrogantly talk down to them with theory till the end of time and they won't learn a thing. Show them once and they pick it up instantly.

As far as I'm concerned RTFM is an ass hat response.


Agreed Dan - plus the NLE world has a unique language and terminology difficult for many to understand. Insulting people rarely solves the problem. On any forum members will ask "how to" questions which the answer is obvious to most. I've also done a fair amount software training (not NLE) and believe the old adage - "The only "stupid question" is one you don't ask".
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PostTue Jan 16, 2018 2:58 am

Cedric Cornell wrote:before my first post here (lurker) I went thrught the whole 80 or so episodes of Goat Eye veiw on Youtube...

so should 90% of new free users....


+1 on that. Excellent series. Granted, it deals with DR 12/12.5 specifically, but a think any new user coming in on 14 would find it just as useful.
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PostTue Jan 16, 2018 8:50 am

Dan Sherman wrote:A product priced as Resole currently is, is going to end up in the hands of a lot of consumers who dont even know what terms they need to search for. So you should either learn to deal with it, or find a different forum.


You're right to your opinion Dan, but I don't feel this is right at all. Not on a moral level nor practical.

#1 I think it's fair to expect someone to read the documentation of a product they buy. If they DO read it, but don't understand it, that is a pretty solid indication that they're in over their head, or should at least start on a more basic level to build the necessary foundation to deal with more complex concepts.

But most users don't read the manual. They look for shortcuts and want things served. People are nice and will answer.

A user shouldn't show up here totally green with a sense of entitlement because they had $300 to spare. It's not how it works.

I recently had questions of my own about the implications of setting Resolve to 'DaVinci Color Managed'. I wasn't sure what was going on behind the scenes in terms of 'targets' or 'active transformations' and was tempted to ask here or on LGG. Instead I went Help --> DVR Reference Manual --> Search Field.

After less than 10 min worth of reading I had solidified my understanding and could continue working. And once in the manual I often stick around and read up on other things. It's not bad at all!

There's a much larger, over arching theme at play here: life has gotten so much easier, more comfortable in the last 80 years. I think there's a point where things will have to become more difficult again, lest we all become a bunch of pacified and numb drones. Resistance fosters determination. Or, alternatively, it will serve its purpose as means of natural selection.

I actually think this larger issue is the main one, but from a practical viewpoint, endless basic questions that are clearly answered in the manual becomes forum noise. No one wants that.
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Re: All your answers are right here!

PostTue Jan 16, 2018 9:06 am

AndreeMarkefors wrote:#1 I think it's fair to expect someone to read the documentation of a product they buy. If they DO read it, but don't understand it, that is a pretty solid indication that they're in over their head, or should at least start on a more basic level to build the necessary foundation to deal with more complex concepts.


This. If there's no foundation one should start with some super basic general editing/grading 101. It's not glamorous and cool but it's really important. Then one can take that experience and use it in everything.

AndreeMarkefors wrote:There's a much larger, over arching theme at play here: life has gotten so much easier, more comfortable in the last 80 years. I think there's a point where things will have to become more difficult again, lest we all become a bunch of pacified and numb drones. Resistance fosters determination. Or, alternatively, it will serve its purpose as means of natural selection.


And this. There are so much questions about trying to automate everything so one doesn't learn/want to learn how to actually do the job.

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