Calibration Target for use with resolve

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Calibration Target for use with resolve

PostSat Aug 08, 2015 8:37 pm

Hi folks,
I just wonder to wich target I should calibrate my screen to use it with resolve, can't find anything in the manual…

D65 or D55?
Gamma? 2.2? 2.4?
Luminance? 160cd/m2? 130 cd/m2?

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Re: Calibration Target for use with resolve

PostSat Aug 08, 2015 9:40 pm

Alex, you are not callibrateing your screen for Resolve, you are callibrateing for a signal from anything that outputs a known standard ie; Io card /tape deck/camera/ disk recorder / test signal generator - to a screen that will display a known standard...ie; 709 or P3

can your screen display 100% of P3? if not, maybe focus on getting a really tight 709

the software you chose (lightspace or similar) will have documentation to guide you, and there's a lot of information on this to be found on youtube already
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Re: Calibration Target for use with resolve

PostSat Aug 08, 2015 10:13 pm

Rec.709
D6500 (white point)
Gamma 2.2
100 cd/m2 (130-160 is way to bright)
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Re: Calibration Target for use with resolve

PostSun Aug 09, 2015 3:30 am

Well, while you are right regarding the specs, many people tend to compromise these days and calibrate to 120 cd/m2, since it's difficult to get low enough with modern flatscreens.
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Re: Calibration Target for use with resolve

PostSun Aug 09, 2015 3:16 pm

Also if you deliver for Internet keep the gamma at 2.2, if you di fir tv use 2.4
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Re: Calibration Target for use with resolve

PostMon Aug 10, 2015 4:16 pm

Follow Walter's advice.

Also, you might want to consider using VLC as your player (http://www.videolan.org/), as both Mac and Windows default players really mess with gamma. So, when you play your graded videos after spending hours getting it right, it won't look horrible.
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Re: Calibration Target for use with resolve

PostMon Aug 10, 2015 4:19 pm

Uli Plank wrote:Well, while you are right regarding the specs, many people tend to compromise these days and calibrate to 120 cd/m2, since it's difficult to get low enough with modern flatscreens.


I tried 120 and everything look funny. Just curious, what are you using for your grading monitor. Maybe I am missing something.
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Re: Calibration Target for use with resolve

PostMon Aug 10, 2015 6:54 pm

Scott Stacy wrote:I tried 120 and everything look funny.


I would save that setting for comedy shows, then.

http://www.filmlight.ltd.uk/pdf/whitepa ... Spaces.pdf

I've been messing around trying to reconcile grade stations and consumer monitors for a while now for a variety of reasons.

The latest dope is that SMPTE rec709 is really aiming at 30 ftL, which translates to roughly 100 candela, or 103 nits. Most monitor manufacturers will currently send out a monitor set for 709, and a broadcast gamma of 2.4. Most receiver manufacturers will juice their TV sets to look *better* than the others at Best Buy, which has nothing to do with anything... so if you want to use one of these things, there are a lot of settings to overcome. CRTs did have some difficult getting to 30 ftL, and a lot of material was graded at 24 or so, otherwise whites would bloom and aperture correction caused a lot of haloing. The real challenge with solid state displays today, IMHO, is achieving a realistic black presentation with 0-5 IRE accurately reproduced.

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Re: Calibration Target for use with resolve

PostMon Aug 10, 2015 9:33 pm

Yes, I will use 30fl or the equivalent candelas (100) with a gamma of 2.4.


The issue with a commercial tv is to undo all the bull$!!! They put to "enhance" the experience. If you can put close to 0 then you have a starting point.

Steve Shaw at http://www.lightillusion.com has instructions, examples and the know how about calibration.
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Re: Calibration Target for use with resolve

PostTue Aug 11, 2015 12:10 am

JPOwens wrote:
Scott Stacy wrote:I tried 120 and everything look funny.


I would save that setting for comedy shows, then.
Good thing I don't grade comedy shows, eh? Have to recalibrate.

This says it all ... to quote the Flimlight white paper:

"Matching colours on different media is a lot harder than you might suppose from the simple theory at the
beginning of this note. Indeed, a perfect match is probably impossible. There is no ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ here:
displays with different spectral characteristics will look different, and any comparison of two images
changes the appearance of the images. We should always strive for a better match, but we must also
accept that there will be limits to how closely we can match two different media using a colour transform
[italics added]."
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