DaVinci 12.3: Neat Video doesn't work correctly - FIXED 12.5

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DaVinci 12.3: Neat Video doesn't work correctly - FIXED 12.5

PostWed Dec 09, 2015 12:22 pm

As I mentioned in this forum: https://www.neatvideo.com/nvforum/viewt ... =5062#5062

Is Blackmagic aware of this problem? Is somebody working on that?

UPDATE: This issue has been fixed in the new 12.5 Update of DaVinci Resolve. Thank you BM.
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Re: Neat Video doesn't work correctly

PostWed Dec 09, 2015 1:41 pm

Is this really DaVinci output or the viewer? What you are observing here could be banding.

Don't rely on the viewer for anything, only video I/O is correct!
Now that the cat #19 is out of the bag, test it as much as you can and use the subforum.

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Re: Neat Video doesn't work correctly

PostWed Dec 09, 2015 2:36 pm

Uli Plank wrote:Is this really DaVinci output or the viewer? What you are observing here could be banding.

Don't rely on the viewer for anything, only video I/O is correct!


I observed this issue in the viewer and in the final rendered output file (ProRes 422HQ).
Vlad from NV-Team said to me it's a DaVinci-only-issue and it's been around since a long time with no fix.
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Re: Neat Video doesn't work correctly

PostThu Dec 10, 2015 12:42 am

Thanks, so it's up to BM to fix and i'll postpone upgrading my Neatvideo 3.5.
Now that the cat #19 is out of the bag, test it as much as you can and use the subforum.

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Re: Neat Video doesn't work correctly

PostThu Dec 10, 2015 8:11 am

Uli Plank wrote:Thanks, so it's up to BM to fix and i'll postpone upgrading my Neatvideo 3.5.


That's right! Come on BM!!!!
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Re: Neat Video doesn't work correctly

PostThu Dec 10, 2015 4:57 pm

The possible difference between preview shown in Neat Video viewer vs Resolve viewer is caused by a known limitation of Resolve:
Current versions of DaVinci Resolve do not provide adjacent frames required by Neat Video v4 to display them in the main window of the plug-in. Those missing frames are marked with "N/A" in the thumbnails shown in the main window of Neat Video. This does not affect rendering in Resolve, this only affects the preview inside Neat Video window.
The current (central) frame is still provided correctly, so it is possible to build a noise profile and check preview of some of the filters inside Neat Video. To evaluate the complete preview including results of all filters, it is necessary to Apply (to close Neat Video window) and then check results in Resolve preview. This is caused by the above limitation of current versions of Resolve. We hope that this limitation will be lifted in newer versions of Resolve. link

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Re: Neat Video doesn't work correctly

PostFri Dec 11, 2015 9:40 am

Thank you for your voice. Now it's Blackmagics turn to fix that issue so that this great plugin starts to work the way it should be!
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Re: Neat Video doesn't work correctly

PostFri Dec 11, 2015 3:04 pm

I feel like I have seen this issue even with neat video v3. I will set a profile, adjust parameters, set temporal NR > 1, and when I get back to the davinci viewer the footage has not changed at all, as if NR was not applied.
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Re: Neat Video doesn't work correctly

PostFri Dec 11, 2015 3:18 pm

Joey Stephenson wrote:I feel like I have seen this issue even with neat video v3. I will set a profile, adjust parameters, set temporal NR > 1, and when I get back to the davinci viewer the footage has not changed at all, as if NR was not applied.


Indeed
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Re: Neat Video doesn't work correctly

PostFri Dec 11, 2015 3:47 pm

In NV v3, the difference between NV preview and Resolve preview was by design of NV itself.

In NV v4, it is not by design, it is due to that limitation of Resolve.

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Re: Neat Video doesn't work correctly

PostSat Dec 12, 2015 1:05 am

But the results are there in the output and Neatvideo still does it better than Resolve's own temporal denoiser.
Now that the cat #19 is out of the bag, test it as much as you can and use the subforum.

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Re: Neat Video doesn't work correctly

PostSat Dec 12, 2015 8:13 am

Uli Plank wrote:But the results are there in the output and Neatvideo still does it better than Resolve's own temporal denoiser.


But it cannot do it as good as it could!
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Re: Neat Video doesn't work correctly

PostSun Dec 13, 2015 11:58 pm

Vlad Sergeev wrote:In NV v3, the difference between NV preview and Resolve preview was by design of NV itself.

In NV v4, it is not by design, it is due to that limitation of Resolve.

Vlad


I see the resolve preview with NV v3 applied almost always. There are certain instances where it wont show it though.
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Re: Neat Video doesn't work correctly

PostWed Jan 06, 2016 7:30 am

Can anybody from Blackmagic confirm that this is a problem of Resolve itself which has to be solved?!
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Re: Neat Video doesn't work correctly

PostFri Feb 05, 2016 9:23 am

Still no fix in 12.3
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Re: DaVinci 12.3: Neat Video doesn't work correctly

PostSat Feb 06, 2016 4:28 am

Probably not high on their list, since NV is working with the free version, while they have a temporal denoiser in their paid version. It's not as good as NV, but faster.
Now that the cat #19 is out of the bag, test it as much as you can and use the subforum.

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Re: DaVinci 12.3: Neat Video doesn't work correctly

PostSun Feb 07, 2016 2:40 pm

Uli Plank wrote:Probably not high on their list, since NV is working with the free version, while they have a temporal denoiser in their paid version. It's not as good as NV, but faster.


More details about DR issue at Neat Video website.
https://www.neatvideo.com/bugs.html#Resolve
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