Slomo, frame rates & timline

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Slomo, frame rates & timline

PostThu Mar 23, 2017 9:53 am

I've been looking around and doing some testing, but need a clearer answer.

30 fps timeline, with the occasional 60fps clip for slowmo. However, when I select the 60fps in clip the change clip speed, it shows 30fps and if I drop the speed to 50% I end up with 15fps.

What would be best practice in DR to drop the speed and keep as many frame as possible for smoother slomo?

I come from Sony Vegas where a 60fps clip is 60fps in a 30fps timeline.

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Re: Slomo, frame rates & timline

PostThu Mar 23, 2017 1:31 pm

Re-conform under "Clip Attributes".
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Re: Slomo, frame rates & timline

PostThu Mar 23, 2017 2:09 pm

in the media page if you flag the clip 30fps, one you put it in a30 timeline it will do 50% speed keeping all the frames.

is that what you need?
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Re: Slomo, frame rates & timline

PostThu Mar 23, 2017 5:23 pm

Uli, it is 60 fps in Clip Attributes, but 30 in the "Change Clip speed" dialog so I'm unsure if I'm loosing 30 frames here?

Walter, how do I flag it to 30fps in the media page?

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Re: Slomo, frame rates & timline

PostThu Mar 23, 2017 9:32 pm

Hi there - I am shooting 2K in 50fps Custom Mode HG7 (XAVI-I) on a SONY FS7 and want to edit in resolve.

I need some of the footage to play at normal speed (25fps), and some of the footage to play in slowmo (50%), on the same timeline.

I want to be able to use the audio tracks of the footage at normal speed, under the video tracks at slowmo.

Is there a way to do this?

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Re: Slomo, frame rates & timline

PostFri Mar 24, 2017 2:23 am

Cedric Cornell wrote:Uli, it is 60 fps in Clip Attributes, but 30 in the "Change Clip speed" dialog so I'm unsure if I'm loosing 30 frames here?

Walter, how do I flag it to 30fps in the media page?

Thanks you for the replies.


right click [clip attributes] IIRC.
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Re: Slomo, frame rates & timline

PostFri Mar 24, 2017 8:01 am

Thank you. Will test it out tonight again and report back.
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Re: Slomo, frame rates & timline

PostFri Mar 24, 2017 7:50 pm

I don't have access to my main pc atm, but this is what I have found from what I can see, (I might be wrong)

Changing clip speed works of the fps set in the project, not the actual clip.

So if one has a 60 fps clip in a 30fps project, one looses 30 frames. Drop the speed down 50% one ends up with 15fps.

From what I understand, other NLE's the speed change works on the actual clip fps. 50% drop would give 30fps, making smoother slow motion.

Maybe a workaround it to do the slow motion in a separate 60 fps project and re-import the clips into the main project.
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Re: Slomo, frame rates & timline

PostFri Mar 24, 2017 8:24 pm

I was wrong! Case closed

Even though the clip speed dialog shows the project fps, the actual clip speed is used.
So dropping a 60 fps clip by 50% in a 30 fps project will have 30 fps, not 15 fps as the clip speed dialog shows.

Anyway, thanks for the suggestions.
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Re: Slomo, frame rates & timline

PostSat Mar 25, 2017 12:51 am

Regarding audio, I found that Resolve will play the audio at normal speed for half the length if the clip is re-conformed to run at 2x slo-mo. Not a bad solution if you'd like to use audio elsewhere.
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Re: Slomo, frame rates & timline

PostSat Mar 25, 2017 9:24 am

Dear Uli,

Thanks for the audio tip! How do I go about setting up my resolve project so that this happens? Do I make a 25fps timeline, bring in footage at the 50fps (does that automatically play slowly?) and then perhaps 'ramp' the speed to get to 'normal' video speed?

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Re: Slomo, frame rates & timline

PostMon Mar 27, 2017 2:56 am

No. As already described here, you go to "Clip Attributes" in the "Media" section and tell the clip to run as 25 fps instead of 50. (or 30 instead of 60 for our American friends).

It works for me with clips from a Sony A7R II and Sony A6300. The audio will play at normal speed and just end after half the length of video.

The best solution for (synthetic) ramping will be getting all the frames into the timeline (as above) and then ramp the speed, preferably with flow motion (DR Studio only).

Well, the perfect solution for sure is a camera with ramping, like a RED Epic…
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