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Recommended plugins for Fairlight

PostFri Sep 29, 2017 6:34 pm

I am getting into doing sound editing and sound design work for video (shorts, features, etc.) in stereo, 5,1 and even 7.1 surround. What are some of the essential plugins that are recommended for Fairlight for that type of work? And what are some of the additional really good (but not necessarily essential) plugins to have? I am using a Mac.
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Re: Recommended plugins for Fairlight

PostFri Sep 29, 2017 6:56 pm

Simon Brown recommended Toneboosters on another thread.

viewtopic.php?f=21&t=63379&p=366915#p366915

For 20 Euros that's pretty crazy cheap:

https://www.toneboosters.com/tb_trackessentials_v3.html
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Re: Recommended plugins for Fairlight

PostSat Sep 30, 2017 8:50 am

The Waves plug-ins packages are pretty widely used:

https://www.waves.com

They have sales every often on the bundles -- in fact, I picked up the Diamond package for about $500, which was a bargain given that it normally goes for well over $2000.

iZotope is also a phenomenal set of tools, many of which help enormously in taming problematic dialogue and keeping levels optimized:

https://www.izotope.com/en/products.html
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Re: Recommended plugins for Fairlight

PostSun Oct 01, 2017 12:09 am

Wow, Waves is running a crazy 25th Anniversary sale right now. I know Waves is found in almost every mixing room, but the sales IDNK about. Thanks Marc!
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Re: Recommended plugins for Fairlight

PostSun Oct 01, 2017 11:38 am

Marc Wielage wrote:The Waves plug-ins packages are pretty widely used:

https://www.waves.com

They have sales every often on the bundles -- in fact, I picked up the Diamond package for about $500, which was a bargain given that it normally goes for well over $2000.

iZotope is also a phenomenal set of tools, many of which help enormously in taming problematic dialogue and keeping levels optimized:

https://www.izotope.com/en/products.html


Resolve is not an approved host for Waves. Shame too because right now the Diamond package is only 259.00 bucks (from 2,999.00) which is just bonkers..
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Re: Recommended plugins for Fairlight

PostSun Oct 01, 2017 4:10 pm

I don't know if I'd call this 'recommended', but I can say that I find it very useful, and it works just fine in Resolve 14.

https://www.tcelectronic.com/lmn/
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Re: Recommended plugins for Fairlight

PostSun Oct 01, 2017 7:04 pm

Robert James wrote:
Marc Wielage wrote:The Waves plug-ins packages are pretty widely used:

https://www.waves.com

They have sales every often on the bundles -- in fact, I picked up the Diamond package for about $500, which was a bargain given that it normally goes for well over $2000.

iZotope is also a phenomenal set of tools, many of which help enormously in taming problematic dialogue and keeping levels optimized:

https://www.izotope.com/en/products.html


Resolve is not an approved host for Waves. Shame too because right now the Diamond package is only 259.00 bucks (from 2,999.00) which is just bonkers..


Robert, I believe Waves and "all" VST 2 plugins work in 14. (I don't think VST 3 versions work.)

Here's a YouTube video of someone using Waves in 14:

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Re: Recommended plugins for Fairlight

PostSun Oct 01, 2017 10:41 pm

Thanks for posting this. I just picked up the diamond bundle for $259 which is truly insane. Works with Media Composer as well.

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Re: Recommended plugins for Fairlight

PostSun Oct 01, 2017 10:44 pm

Did you try them in Resolve? Somebody reported a few days ago that the Wave plugins wouldn't load properly, they kept scanning.
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Re: Recommended plugins for Fairlight

PostMon Oct 02, 2017 12:49 am

I *think* you just need to be sure you know where the plugins have been installed. I believe the default location for VST2 plugins in Windows is:

C:\Program Files\Steinberg\VstPlugins

But I have to think that the Waves installer puts them in the correct location. Also in Resolve you can specify additional locations to scan.
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Re: Recommended plugins for Fairlight

PostMon Oct 02, 2017 1:18 am

That's not the issue. As reported, the system got into a loop scanning the plugin folders.
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Re: Recommended plugins for Fairlight

PostMon Oct 02, 2017 1:22 am

John, okay I found the post you must be referring to:

viewtopic.php?f=21&t=64739&p=365297&hilit=waves+scan#p365297

Well I look forward to hearing back from Steve. I hope they work for him.
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Re: Recommended plugins for Fairlight

PostMon Oct 02, 2017 12:08 pm

I can report that most of the Diamond series do not appear in Resolve 14 and some that do actually crash Resolve. I think most support AAX, so they work very well in Media Composer (which is why I took the chance - MC is my main NLE still). Not sure why most don't show in Resolve...

A bit disappointing on the Resolve front. Maybe someone else will have different results.

One thing to note is that Waves plugins do not sit in the Program FIles\Steinberg\VSTPlugins folder, just in the Program FIles\VSTPlugins so you have to tell Resolve to look there as well.

Also - Waves uses an interesting approach where only a couple of DLLs sit in the VSTPlugins folder and these somehow link to the actual plugins installed elsewhere.

Anyway - for $259 yesterday ($999 today) that was a pretty good set of plugins for Media Composer. I wish I had better news for Resolve users.

If anyone with Waves plugins has a different experience, please post.
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Re: Recommended plugins for Fairlight

PostMon Oct 02, 2017 1:34 pm

On Mac all waves (VST2/AU) plugins work without issues.
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Re: Recommended plugins for Fairlight

PostMon Oct 02, 2017 1:45 pm

Glenn - are you referring to all plugins that came with the Diamond bundle?

Also - did you have to tell Resolve where to look for those plugins and if so, were did you point to?

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Re: Recommended plugins for Fairlight

PostMon Oct 02, 2017 2:04 pm

Steve Alexander wrote:Glenn - are you referring to all plugins that came with the Diamond bundle?

Also - did you have to tell Resolve where to look for those plugins and if so, were did you point to?

Thanks


Hi Steve,

For sure but have used even more on my or other Resolve rig, ( i have a much wider range of plugins. Got it al a long time ago from a good college who quit his mixing job for close to nothing.)
So far the only plugins that sometimes need a bit of massage are the multichannel (5.1) plugins (are a bit order sensitive ), but even those work fine. Have yet to find one that does not work. Multichannel compression/limiting/reverb/image shaping , all good. And none that crash resolve
Not all load as AU + VST, but the few i dont see as AU i see as VST and visa versa.

Regarding location , as besides waves i have lots of other plugins , and not al liked in the past or still Resolve (mainly old 32 bits dont work) , i put them (a copy) in a separate directory , just for Resolve.
In settings you can specify a (or multiple) custom directory(s), so i drop a copy of the vst/au in there and if it does not work/crash resolve i can easily take it out. Nothing in there will affect my general VST/AU setup for my other DAW's (Reaper/Ableton/and now defunct protools which i ditched for Reaper).

As you are on windows , things will likely look different so can not comment on that. Also the trick with the extra vst dir may or may not work as subtle although i did see in earlier discussion that something like that is also possible for windows, but due to the registry your mileage may vary.
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Re: Recommended plugins for Fairlight

PostMon Oct 02, 2017 6:33 pm

Thanks Glenn -

Looks like Waves does not place VST plugins in a common folder any longer - they have some other mechanism that re-directs from a shell DLL to the actual plugin stored elsewhere. This is why I was asking you about where your Waves VST plugins are located.

Maybe this is a Windows thing or maybe Waves has changed the way it deploys its plugins.

Very odd.
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Re: Recommended plugins for Fairlight

PostMon Oct 02, 2017 6:50 pm

Update: I removed the VST paths in the Resolve preferences, restarted Resolve, then re-entered the paths to the VST (C:\Program Files\VSTPlugins) and restarted Resolve once more. Now I see all the plugins from the Diamond collection.

Yippee - of course, not all work but this is much better than in my previous report...
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Re: Recommended plugins for Fairlight

PostMon Oct 02, 2017 7:57 pm

Cool !
Baby steps , but you will get there ;-)

p.s. Mac also has an indirect cal mechanisme like you described, but it actually makes it easy. There is a waveshell.vst and .component (au) file as a placeholder for all VST's / AU's, which i drop in to the target dir.
It is an all or nothing approach of course but as said i have little to no problems.
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Re: Recommended plugins for Fairlight

PostMon Oct 02, 2017 8:10 pm

Steve Alexander wrote:...

Yippee - of course, not all work but this is much better than in my previous report...

Steve, thanks so much for the updates.

I would recommend contacting Waves as well about this, if you haven't. As even though the price was a total deal, all of the VST versions of the plugins should work. And because are an experienced NLE user, your input would be especially helpful. Just a humble suggestion.

And good luck with all of this. And thanks *again* for updating us.
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Re: Recommended plugins for Fairlight

PostMon Oct 02, 2017 9:01 pm

I'm just going through the process of dropping these Diamond bundle plugins on to tracks on the edit page...

Most seem to 'work' (no idea if delivery would work) - the only crash so far was EMO-Q4-Mono when I dropped it on a stereo track (most mono effects don't crash if you accidentally drop it on a stereo track but this one does).

Others that crashed:

REQ n Stereo/Mono (there are several of these)

But most seemed to work in as much as they would show their interfaces and have some effect on the audio played back trough my speakers. Sometimes a VST effect would apply and appear to work but then if you clicked on the track header later to show the properties (to bring up the VST UI again) Resolve would crash. But mostly not.

This is really as much testing as I care to do for now. That was a pretty well spent $259. Thanks to Glenn for pushing the issue (had you not stated emphatically that all was good with the Diamond bundle and more I probably wouldn't have pursued this - at least not today)...

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Re: Recommended plugins for Fairlight

PostMon Oct 02, 2017 9:13 pm

Tnx. Going to collect my commission at Waves now ;-)

Take you time to play with these VST's . It's really good stuff in there. You got a great deal as is so much more expensive this stuff normally. Even if 50% would not have worked, you still have a great deal
I tent to only use them via the Fairlight page btw, much more user friendly to drop on the right track / monitoring etc without to much fiddling, not sure if makes a difference technicaly but guess it should be the same stability wise.
As Fairlight evolves so will the support for more advanced function in some of the plugins , like side-chaining, which is not active yet in Resolve (in both the internal fx and vst). But was presently surpriced that multchannel stuff mostly works , which is sort of essential for post work.
Anyway , have fun man !
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Re: Recommended plugins for Fairlight

PostTue Oct 03, 2017 7:33 am

Robert James wrote:Resolve is not an approved host for Waves. Shame too because right now the Diamond package is only 259.00 bucks (from 2,999.00) which is just bonkers..

Yes, I bought the Diamond package when it went on sale. (I literally paid about $2K for this same package 10 years ago in another life as a Pro Tools mixer/editor.)

All the Plug-Ins come up for me just fine in Resolve 12.5 and 14. I just double-checked Resolve 12.5 and yes, you can drop any Waves Plug-in on top of a clip and it will apply. It takes a few seconds to go out and load the control panel, but it does work. This is for the Diamond 9.2.6 package.

I also have most of the Nugen plug-ins, and those appear to work as well:

https://www.nugenaudio.com/

I have not tried them in Fairlight yet, but hope to once I wrap a couple of projects.
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Re: Recommended plugins for Fairlight

PostTue Oct 03, 2017 8:14 am

Marc Wielage wrote:Yes, I bought the Diamond package when it went on sale. (I literally paid about $2K for this same package 10 years ago in another life as a Pro Tools mixer/editor.)
Did you pay the WUP update fee?

Updating a Platinum v5 bundle to v9.5, for example, is a third of the sale price.

I also have most of the Nugen plug-ins, and those appear to work as well:

I have not tried them in Fairlight yet, but hope to once I wrap a couple of projects.
Only had issues with Stereoizer in Fairlight. All their other plugins are functional and seem to behave.

Apparently many plugin developers are having issues with OS X High Sierra though, but no official notice from Nugen yet. So I wouldn’t be in a rush to deploy a system with the latest greatest.
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Re: Recommended plugins for Fairlight

PostTue Oct 03, 2017 8:38 am

Mike Halper wrote:I am getting into doing sound editing and sound design work for video (shorts, features, etc.) in stereo, 5,1 and even 7.1 surround. What are some of the essential plugins that are recommended for Fairlight for that type of work?
The following are my go to options for 7.1 Fixed channel configurations.
(all provide 8 channel processing but the Flux options allow per channel control).
Flux:: Epure
Flux:: BitterSweet Pro
Flux:: Syrah
Flux:: Pure DExpander
Flux:: Solera
Flux:: Pure Limiter
Flux:: Elixir
Sonic Studio NoNOISE 3 VST
Exponential Audio R2 Surround (8 channel bed + 8 channel height via 3D Link)
Exponential Audio PhoenixVerb Surround (8 channel bed + 8 channel height via 3D Link)
SoundField SurroundZone
RTW Loudness Tools Metering

6 channel fixed channel configurations:
RTW Continuous Loudness Control
Flux:: Jünger LevelMagic
Grimm / Beatrig LevelView Metering
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Re: Recommended plugins for Fairlight

PostTue Oct 03, 2017 10:43 am

There are many plugin developers and thousands of plugins available for many tasks, so which ones are good to have really depends on what you personally need.

The plugins I have are from Waves (no problems so far using these in Resolve, and they have sales more often than not), iZotope (RX6, although I prefer to use the standalone editor, and Neutron), ToneBoosters (I only use the De-Esser) and Valhalla DSP (reverbs). You can get trial versions for most plugins, so just download those and see if they suit you.
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Re: Recommended plugins for Fairlight

PostTue Oct 03, 2017 7:15 pm

Tokyo Dawn Labs (http://www.tokyodawn.net/tokyo-dawn-labs/) also has some nice ones, like a dynamic equalizer for example, which comes in a free and commercial version.
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PostThu Oct 05, 2017 1:10 pm

Marcus Goller wrote:Tokyo Dawn Labs (http://www.tokyodawn.net/tokyo-dawn-labs/) also has some nice ones, like a dynamic equalizer for example, which comes in a free and commercial version.

Yes I quite like Proximity, for controlling the perceived distance of a sound. It's free too.
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Re: Recommended plugins for Fairlight

PostTue Nov 07, 2017 12:51 pm

If I read Diamond bundle plugins work fine, what about SoundShifter?
I see only SoundShifter Pitch Mono/Stereo in the list of Audio FX. No Parametric SoundShifter, no Graphic SoundShifter.
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Re: Recommended plugins for Fairlight

PostSat Nov 11, 2017 5:20 pm

Oh I see. Waves presets only ProTools can use Parametric and Graphic SoundShifter :(
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Re: Recommended plugins for Fairlight

PostTue Nov 14, 2017 8:22 pm

Wouter Verwijlen wrote:There are many plugin developers and thousands of plugins available for many tasks, so which ones are good to have really depends on what you personally need.

The plugins I have are from Waves (no problems so far using these in Resolve, and they have sales more often than not), iZotope (RX6, although I prefer to use the standalone editor, and Neutron), ToneBoosters (I only use the De-Esser) and Valhalla DSP (reverbs). You can get trial versions for most plugins, so just download those and see if they suit you.


I can't get Resolve 14 to even see my VST plugins, the same ones I'm using in Sound Forge. I have Waves and Izotope plugins installed - checked the folders and, yup, the plugins are there. When I direct Resolve to the folders, it doesn't see the plugins, so no option to enable them.

Can anyone help?
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Re: Recommended plugins for Fairlight

PostTue Nov 14, 2017 11:24 pm

What OS, and what file location are your plugins stored in?
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Re: Recommended plugins for Fairlight

PostWed Nov 15, 2017 1:42 am

PeterMoretti wrote:What OS, and what file location are your plugins stored in?


Hi, I'm using Windows 10 Pro w a GTX 1070. Plugins are in C:\Program Files (x86)\Vstplugins.

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