How to get good action footage on YT or Vimeo?

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Cedric Cornell

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How to get good action footage on YT or Vimeo?

PostTue Feb 20, 2018 12:14 pm

I have been reading alot on hear and taking notes on the best way to render for uploading to either youtube or vimeo.

I can get a clear and pretty crisp render from Resovle using DNxHR 444 10bit or Cineform. Run it through Handbrake CRF=15. This workflow has been recomended quite a lot on here instead of rending out H264. So far so good.

(Gopro footage, 2.7K, protune colour, sharpen low. Sharpen a tad in Resolve, 1080p timeline)

Upload to Vimeo/YT and it's still is "muddy" when there is a lot of movment. Is this something one just has to live with?

I do know that YT and Vimeo comress the footage a lot...

Also not much better than just using the presets in Resolve. :?
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Re: How to get good action footage on YT or Vimeo?

PostTue Feb 20, 2018 12:17 pm

Nothing can be really done about it.
Youtube uses fairly low bitrates so high action can look bad.
You would have to use better than GoPro camera to start with, but even this would just help only a bit.
If you have noise then remove it- even small de-noise will help.
Vimeo should look better, no?
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Re: How to get good action footage on YT or Vimeo?

PostTue Feb 20, 2018 2:35 pm

Thats what I thought.

Anyway, thank for the good information you have been giving this forum on the matter.
I will test more.

Of course there is better cams than gopro, but Its good enought when playing a quality render on tv etc, just get crushed when online.

Not sure what is better, YT or Vimeo. I've been using veimeo mostly the last couple of years.

Im on the free version so no de-noise.

maybe try less shapening?
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Re: How to get good action footage on YT or Vimeo?

PostTue Feb 20, 2018 3:30 pm

The only hack I've seen that works to some degree, is to upload 60fps footage.
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Re: How to get good action footage on YT or Vimeo?

PostTue Feb 20, 2018 3:38 pm

Which most likely bumps bitrates.
Yes, it's another hack.
Even if you have e.g. 29.97 source you can render it as 59.94 with repeated frames (don't do motion estimated conversion). Motion should be the same but youtube will raise bitrate (and because we have the same frames) quality should increase.
If you have it as 25p then render as 50p.
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Re: How to get good action footage on YT or Vimeo?

PostTue Feb 20, 2018 3:48 pm

it does up the frame rate.
https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/1722171?hl=en


I was suggesting more along the lines of shooting at 60. The GoPro 5 And 6 black models both capture 2.7K at 60p.
https://gopro.com/help/articles/block/compare-cameras
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Re: How to get good action footage on YT or Vimeo?

PostTue Feb 20, 2018 4:32 pm

Yes, but if you have no 50/60p assets you still can use this trick just to have better final file on youtube. It may be very effective hack :)

Those bitrates recommended by youtube are so low, way to low. They just want to save bandwidth and space on their conversion servers.
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Re: How to get good action footage on YT or Vimeo?

PostTue Feb 20, 2018 4:40 pm

Andrew Kolakowski wrote:
Those bitrates recommended by youtube are so low, way to low. They just want to save bandwidth and space on their conversion servers.


I agree, i just think it shows that under the hood you will get better quality with higher fps.
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Re: How to get good action footage on YT or Vimeo?

PostWed Feb 21, 2018 7:34 am

I use quite a lot of 60fps on bright days.

Will do some more testing.

Thanks
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Re: How to get good action footage on YT or Vimeo?

PostWed Feb 21, 2018 11:28 pm

I shoot everything at 50fps and 35Mbps. I upload to YT at the same frame rate and 60Mbps. It helps combat the YT re-encoding.
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Re: How to get good action footage on YT or Vimeo?

PostThu Feb 22, 2018 9:43 am

The Hero 5 has 60mbs when on Protune. Will try some uplodds with hight data rate and high fps.

Just wish I had more time......
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