Help? Replace mp4 Project Files w/Their Transcoded .mov Twin

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Help? Replace mp4 Project Files w/Their Transcoded .mov Twin

PostThu May 24, 2018 10:58 pm

Can't we swap a project's highly compressed .mp4 A/V files for their new, "Media Manager-generated" QuickTime .mov transcode files -- and have the new transcoded versions compose properly throughout the entire timeline, with in and out points -- and clip markers all preserved?

I think it'd be awful to have to transcode all those clips all over again.

LESSON LEARNED: Transcode before editing, and select "Relink to Clips" option!
That said...

How should I best accomplish this replacement of highly compressed mp4 timeline clips with their already-transcoded [QuickTime .mov] versions?

Trouble is four--fold:
A. The filename suffix is now different so Resolve Studio 14.0.014 utterly refuses to link the timeline .mp4 "missing clip placeholders" to the new .mov corresponding clips!

B. Also, since some of the original .mp4 clips in the project do not start at frame 0:00:00:00 -- but their new, transcoded counterpart do start st frame zero, Resolve won't link to them [properly] either.

C. I did not know it was best to select "RELINK TO SELECTED CLIPS" or whatever the option reads, under "+ More Options" within the Media Manager Transcode tab.

D. Path of transcode clips differ from their original. mp4

Sadly, some of the original [.mp4] A/V files started at a Timecode other than 0:00:00:00 so what I need is guidance in "offset" for transcoded files and how to get them to acquire the
In/Out,
Volume,
Audio
Tracks and
Clip Markers-placement attributes of their former .mp4 corresponding clips in the timeline.

Any help you awesome folks can offer is desperately appreciated, as I tried comprehending insights from the manual.
What steps should I take?
-Peter
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Re: Help? Replace mp4 Project Files w/Their Transcoded .mov

PostFri May 25, 2018 12:47 am

Since you don't have prefix or timecode matches, the usual linking routines probably can't be made to work.

You could try "force conform", but that will require a separate operation for every timeline clip. I'm not sure how it will handle the offsets in your case.

There's a new option in v15 ('replace selected clip') which replaces one clip in the Media Pool with any other to which you navigate, and every instance in the timeline is also replaced by the new clip. In cases where the timecode start of the current and target clip is zero, it appears to preserve the offset, but you'd need to experiment.
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Re: Help? Replace mp4 Project Files w/Their Transcoded .mov

PostFri May 25, 2018 12:39 pm

John Paines wrote:Since you don't have prefix or timecode matches, the usual linking routines probably can't be made to work.

You could try "force conform", but that will require a separate operation for every timeline clip. I'm not sure how it will handle the offsets in your case.

There's a new option in v15 ('replace selected clip') which replaces one clip in the Media Pool with any other to which you navigate, and every instance in the timeline is also replaced by the new clip. In cases where the timecode start of the current and target clip is zero, it appears to preserve the offset, but you'd need to experiment.
Jo-o-ohn!
You, Sir, have single-handedly provided me a solid reason to risk trying to finish this huge project on Resolve Beta 15!

But in light of your affirming my suspicion about v14.3's linking limitation, I'm thinking the most practical and near-painless approach is likely to endure the several hours of transcoding all over again, but this time, ensuring "Relink to Clips" option is selected -- unless Peter Chamberlain or others have a speedier idea.

️ Actually, I went so far as temporarily renaming the transcode files' suffixes from .mov -- to .mp4 but to my dismay, Resolve would not be fooled.

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Re: Help? Replace mp4 Project Files w/Their Transcoded .mov

PostFri May 25, 2018 6:25 pm

BUMP!?
Any more ideas welcome!

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Re: Help? Replace mp4 Project Files w/Their Transcoded .mov

PostSat May 26, 2018 1:02 am

Wow. Only 1 respondent in over 24 hours (with helpful suggestions foe re-linking a nd re-compiling clips in this large 800-clip project.

Is re-linking/compiling feared -- or little understood by a lot of users?

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Re: Help? Replace mp4 Project Files w/Their Transcoded .mov

PostSat May 26, 2018 3:53 am

John Paines wrote:Since you don't have prefix or timecode matches, the usual linking routines probably can't be made to work...

Having looked at the v14.3 manual section on pages 587~589, and re-reading the specific, immediately-above quote of yours, John -- I have much hope of recovery without the risky plunge into Resolve Studio v15 Beta:

I *do* have matching filenames -- only the suffixes (i.e., "extensions") differ between original .mp4 files and their newly-transcoded .mov files -- and only a couple of clip instances exist in which there's timecode offsets on the original mp4's.


Therefore, I'll first try this:
1) Go to Project Settings > General Options
2) Ensure "Auto Conform Clips With Media Added Into Medfia Pool" is selected and
3) Bring the transcoded files into the Media Pool

Conforming might work, if the file extensions difference can somehow be ignored with this approach.

Or

This surely should work:
1) Right-Click the pertinent Timeline instance residing in the Media Pool.
2) Use the Timelines > Import > Additional Clips with Loose Filename Match* option, to automatically search the directory tree of the file system for media that matches all the offline clips in that timeline.

*The "Loose Filename Match" option ignores file extension distinctions.

I'll update this thread to report what method worked.

After overcoming this file relinking and conforming hurdle, and tidying up some dislocated edits, I might then try experimenting with Resolve Studio 15 Beta on a more gutsy notebook.

Big thanks, John Paines, for contributing some well thought out ideas.

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Re: Help? Replace mp4 Project Files w/Their Transcoded .mov

PostSat May 26, 2018 10:13 am

I think you need to use the Reconform from Bins or Reconform from Media Storage options (v14.3 manual p.589).

If you have the transcoded files in a separate bin, do this:
  • Select all the clips on the timeline, right-click the clips and uncheck Conform Lock Enabled
  • Go to File > Reconform from Bins...
  • Check Set clips to Conform Lock Enabled after conform
  • Under Choose Conform Bins, make sure only the bin with the transcoded files are checked
  • In the Conform Options, uncheck Timecode if the timecode doesn't match between the files
  • Check File Name and select Loose file name match (you can also qualify the changes to only use a certain file extension if you want, the dot has to be included)
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Re: Help? Replace mp4 Project Files w/Their Transcoded .mov

PostSat May 26, 2018 1:00 pm

And search YouTube for Resolve Proxy Workflow...
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Re: Help? Replace mp4 Project Files w/Their Transcoded .mov

PostSat May 26, 2018 1:23 pm

Peter Benson wrote:Therefore, I'll first try this:
1) Go to Project Settings > General Options
2) Ensure "Auto Conform Clips With Media Added Into Medfia Pool" is selected and
3) Bring the transcoded files into the Media Pool

Conforming might work, if the file extensions difference can somehow be ignored with this approach.


Am not sure what you're proposing here. Adding the clips to the media pool won't in itself accomplish anything. You need to instruct the system -- using one of the various methods -- to relink.


Peter Benson wrote:This surely should work:
1) Right-Click the pertinent Timeline instance residing in the Media Pool.
2) Use the Timelines > Import > Additional Clips with Loose Filename Match* option, to automatically search the directory tree of the file system for media that matches all the offline clips in that timeline.

*The "Loose Filename Match" option ignores file extension distinctions.


This method only works where the clips are in the timeline (and showing offline) but missing from the media pool. You'd have to delete them from the media pool first, then import as above.

If you have prefixes and timecode to work from, Roger's method would also likely work. It's even possible the duration field alone might find a match, though I've never attempted that. In any case, there are a number of ways to do it. The manual is pretty thorough on this subject, confusing though the process can be.
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Re: Help? Replace mp4 Project Files w/Their Transcoded .mov

PostSat May 26, 2018 2:06 pm

Since all the filenames are correct, the method I outlined should work regardless of timecode and duration. Depending on how the files are structured/named, you might need one more attribute to separate the days, like Reel Name.
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Re: Help? Replace mp4 Project Files w/Their Transcoded .mov

PostSun May 27, 2018 12:27 pm

+100 to all you guys. Will first try the "Roger Method", when I'm back.

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