Improving Resolve Performance on Windows

I just found a post from about a year ago by Peter Chamberlain on bmcuser.com:

The lowest performing card, which includes the lowest GPU ram, will dictate the fastest the system can operate.

This suggests it will actually be detrimental to leave the 1070 installed.

It used to be common to use a weaker graphics card for the GUI only, and use the powerful cards for compute only. As of Resolve 14 it's not recommended to do that, just use the 1080 Ti cards only.

Cant believe I read the entire thread.. but now that I have.. dying to know the results of the 1080ti. I am waiting for the next gen cards and was really looking to throw two cards in. If two next gen cards result in a lot more render and realtime timeline editing performance over one, I plan on getting two. I have read from here on the forum and other places both yay and nay regarding dual/3/4 gpus for resolve. So I am totally at a loss as to what the right way is.

Question.. if you plan to do hard core gaming with SLI enabled.. but also want to use your fancy rig for editing.. are you screwed? Or is there a simple way when running resolve to disable SLI without having to reboot/change bios? That would blow to buy a gaming sli setup but be severely crippled for editing due to instability and/or slow/none SLI use.

Question.. if you plan to do hard core gaming with SLI enabled.. but also want to use your fancy rig for editing.. are you screwed? Or is there a simple way when running resolve to disable SLI without having to reboot/change bios? That would blow to buy a gaming sli setup but be severely crippled for editing due to instability and/or slow/none SLI use.

SLI can be enabled/disabled from the nVidia control panel.

May I ask what the consensus is about the overall performance of the 16-core i9-7960X on an X299 motherboard vs. a similar AMD solution?

Asking because I'm still running the 8-core i7 on X99 platform with two (2) Titan Xps, and CPU is definitely a bottleneck in some kind of tasks - so I don't want to wait longer but upgrade to a 16 core CPU. Basing on these benchmarks https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/artic ... n-Xp-1060/, and particularly the following chart:

i9 and 1-3 Titan Xps.jpg (58.43 KiB) Viewed 15084 times

- I was almost decide to go with Intel, but would like to ask you guys whether AMD wouldn't be a better solution (never had AMD in my life, btw. - so I may be biased:) TIA for sound advise,

Piotr

The GTX1080ti is installed:

Using my 20 second UHD test project:

With the two 1070s:
TNR+SNR applied. Render time: 2:13 (133 secs, 3.8 fps)
No Processing. Render time: 0:14 (35.7 fps)

With the 1080ti:
TNR+SNR applied. Render time: 1:27 (87 secs, 5.7 fps)
No Processing. Render time: 0:13 (38.5 fps)

I think this will do me. It's time for me just to use the computer now.

Hi.

First I will congratulate Mike. It is good to see you succeded.

And then will I try to answer Piotr. I will suggest you to go with AMD instead of Intel.

The reason is that I feel Intel again will change socket. The technology demonstration of the 28 cores 56 threads CPU on Computex 2018 trade show was with a new LGA 3647 socket and a 6 channel memory motherboard. So I expect the LGA 2066 slowly will dissappear.

All the reviews of the new AMD Threadripper 2950X are better than expected. But all AMD Cpu's like fast RAM. I will suggest you choose your new cabinet carefully. I will recommend you to choose one, where you can start with the huge AIR cooler. And may be then later change it to a water cooler, if you ever decide to upgrade you CPU to one with mere cores/threads.

AMD have an upgrade path, Intel don't.

Regards Carsten.

First I will congratulate Mike. It is good to see you succeded.

I'm not sure if I've really succeeded, I just want to move on to doing work with it.

As per our internal benchmarks, UHD "Temporal NR - Better" runs at these speeds:

GTX 1080 - 11.7 fps
GTX 1080Ti - 17.43 fps
Titan V - 23.05 fps

So essentially, you need a faster GPU if you need faster Temporal NR performance at UHD.

I'm not getting anything like 17.43 fps

And then will I try to answer Piotr. I will suggest you to go with AMD instead of Intel.

I did. I used the exact Gigabyte X399 motherboard specified in the Resolve 15 Config Guide and a 1950X CPU.

Thanks guys - didn't know about the Ryzen socket upgrade path, or ability to build RAID with NVMe drives.

Please tell me: I have 2x Titan Xp now; would you wait for the 2950X monster, or save some money and go with Gigabyte X399 motherboard specified in the Resolve 15 Config Guide and a 1950X CPU - exactly like Mike did? This would cost me almost half of my planned X299/i9 16 core config! But having two Titans - perhaps I would be better investing straight in the 2950X? TIA

Piotr

And then will I try to answer Piotr. I will suggest you to go with AMD instead of Intel.

The reason is that I feel Intel again will change socket. The technology demonstration of the 28 cores 56 threads CPU on Computex 2018 trade show was with a new LGA 3647 socket and a 6 channel memory motherboard. So I expect the LGA 2066 slowly will dissappear.

All the reviews of the new AMD Threadripper 2950X are better than expected. But all AMD Cpu's like fast RAM. I will suggest you choose your new cabinet carefully. I will recommend you to choose one, where you can start with the huge AIR cooler. And may be then later change it to a water cooler, if you ever decide to upgrade you CPU to one with mere cores/threads.

AMD have an upgrade path, Intel don't.

Regards Carsten.

Hi Carsten - do you think the PHANTEKS Enthoo Pro (PH-ES614PC_BK) case will be OK together with the Noctua NH-U9 TR4-SP3 cooler will suffice?

Piotr

Hi Carsten - do you think the PHANTEKS Enthoo Pro (PH-ES614PC_BK) case will be OK together with the Noctua NH-U9 TR4-SP3 cooler will suffice?

the Noctua NH-U9 TR4-SP will easily fit. However i wouldn't personally use it as it uses 92mm fans, the industry standards are 120 & 140mm.

Per the specs the the Enthoo pro has 193mm of cooler clearance, so almost anything will fit.

one of these will be better thermally and acoustically.
https://noctua.at/en/products/cpu-coole ... 4s-tr4-sp3
https://noctua.at/en/products/cpu-coole ... 2s-tr4-sp3

Hi.

I am sorry to tell you. The configuration guide was written months ago. Use it to choose product lines, not to choose an actual product.

Go for the new Threadripper line of CPU's, if you don't see a cheap offer for the old ones. They can all be used in both the old X399 motherboards and the new called Refreshed X399 motherboards.

There are a total of 4 new CPU's in the Threadripper 2 series.

3 day ago started AMD to deliver the Threadripper 2990WX 32 cores 64 threads CPU worldwide. On August 31st will the 2950X 16 cores 32 threads arrive and the last 12 and 24 cores CPU will arrive to October.

But if I look at the prices for the OLD Threadripper 1 series. Then I currently see a huge price drop on the 12 core 1920X and the successor will first arrive to October.
And a much less price drop on the 1950X there will be replaced on August 31st?
I will expect a further price drop on the 16 core 1950X, but I don't know when.

With 2 x Titan Xp I don't know what Threadripper CPU to recommend you. Here others menbers of this forum have much better knowledge?


All Threadrippers can use all X399 motherboards. The difference is how much power the motherboard is designed to deliver. With Intel CPU's the CPU speed is normally locked, expect for the K Cpu's like the I7-8700K there then can be overclocked to a higher frequency.

It is total different with Threadrippers. None are locked. The will run as fast as possible taking several parameters into account.

One very important parameter is how much power can the VRM curcuit motherboard deliver. You can find this data in most motherboards reviews as 'The motherboard has a 10+3-phase VRM'. Higher numbers equal higher current to the CPU.

All Threadripper 1 motherboards was designed for 180 Watt TDP CPU's.

But the new 32 core and 24 core Threadrippers have a 250 Watt TDP. So if you want to be able to upgrade later, will I suggest you choose a motherboard with at least is designed for a TDP of 250 watt.

Most Threadrippers CPU's can easily use more than 250 Watt and in many of the Threadripper 2990WX reviews they use a motherboard, that allow them to use it up to 500 Watt.

An another very important parameter, is how much cooling you supply. Up to around 270 Watt do I recommend the huge AIR cooler if you want to run it faster must you use a water cooler.

Regards Carsten.

I will look at the PHANTEKS Enthoo Pro (PH-ES614PC_BK) case with the Noctua NH-U9 TR4-SP3 cooler later.

Thanks so much, Dan & Carsten

For the 1950X on the Asus ROG ZENITH EXTREME, and with Noctua NH-U14S TR4-SP3 (Thanks Dan !!!), 64GB RAM, 2x Titan Xp and 4 (four) 4GB HDD in the internal RAID 0 (also probably 2x M.2 NVMe SSDs) - which PSU power would you guys recommend? Will the Corsair HX1200 (CP-9020140-EU) do?

Thanks

Piotr

PS. Oh - I forgot a very important question: please recommend some RAM DIMMs too , as I know nothing which AMD/Ryzen systems like the most

Hi.

Asus did it a little different. Instead of releasing a lot of new Refresh X399 motherboards designed for a TDP of 250 Watt. The released some Prime X399 Cooling Kits that change the TDP of the motherboards from 180 Watt to 250 Watt.

You can see it near the top of this link, where they headline says 'Ready for 2nd Gen AMD Ryzen Threadripper':

https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/PRIME-X399-A/

Yesterday I email my local Asus office and ask when and where I can buy it. I will recommend it, even for 1950X.


As I privies told you do all AMD CPU's like fast ram. Resolve Configuration guide recommend at least DDR4-3200.

On Asus home page you can find a QVL list of RAM they had tested.

If you got more possibilities can you try to go into this list and see if it is manufactured on what they call Samsung B-Die. This Samsung B-Die's RAM is expected to have higher max frequency.

I am sorry the list is in the German language, but you can translate it with Google translate.

For 64 GB ram you have to look a little down the list for 4 x 16 GB:

https://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/f ... 61530.html

But first the Asus QVL list and then check it if it is on the Samsung B-Die list.

Regards Carsten.

Karsten - are you saying that the Gigabyte X399 motherboard specified in the Resolve 15 Config Guide would be better than the Asus model I mentioned? Asking, because my favorite retailer doesn't have them.

OH - and will two M.2 NVMe drives work in RAID 0 on this Asus model - or is it only reserved for Gigabyte boards?

Hi.

You must understand all the old motherboards are generation one. The first generation. I expect the manufacturers to learn something during the year the have manufactured them. I expect this knowledge to help them to improve the Refresh x399 motherboards.

AMD sent 2 CPU's, 2 motherboards, 2 coolers and some 4x8 GB of G.Skill FlareX DDR4-3200 14-14-14 Ram out to some reviewers and ask the not to publish their reviews until Monday 13th August. One of them was a ASUS ROG Zenith Extreme motherboard rev 2. And on YouTube Jim Anderson Senior Vice President from AMD say, that it was a great gaming motherboard.


For Raid please look at this link from AMD:

'Free NVMe RAID upgrade for AMD X399 chipset'

https://community.amd.com/community/gam ... 99-chipset


But I think I will suggest you to read this 2 threads om Threadripper 2:

viewtopic.php?f=21&t=77741

viewtopic.php?f=21&t=77423

Regards Carsten.

I personally prefer Asus, based on the experiences of my peers, friends and my own.

a 1950x and 2 Tian Xps have a combined TDP of 680 watts. overclocked and stressed they can consume right around 1000 watts. After you add in all the auxiliary components I don't think 1200 whats will be enough.

If it was me, I'd go with a 1500 or 1600 watt PSU, just for the peace of mind!

Based on the ROG ZENITH EXTREME's QVL I'd go with one of these the ram kits.

• Fastest lowest latency kit but only 32GB - G.SKILL F4-3200C14Q-32GTZR
• 64GB but not as fast the 32 GB above - Kingston Hyper X HX430C15PB3K4/64
• faster than the 64 GB kit but it's 128 GB - G.SKILL Ripjaws F4-3000C14Q2-128GVKD

The G.SKILL F4-3200C14Q-32GTZR kit has the best available frequency and latency combo currently on the market. G.Skill makes a 64 GB kit (F4-3200C14Q2-64GTZR) of it. It's not on the QVL, but should still work.

[list]
[*] Fastest lowest latency kit but only 32GB - G.SKILL F4-3200C14Q-32GTZR

Is it really that important that the entire (e.g. 64GB) be bought at once? Of course, I do understand one shouldn't mix the DIMMs - but as long as they are exactly the same model, is it really that bad to add another 32GB later on?

Piotr

as they are exactly the same model, is it really that bad to add another 32GB later on?

Provided they are truly the same, no problem here.

[list]
[*] Fastest lowest latency kit but only 32GB - G.SKILL F4-3200C14Q-32GTZR

Is it really that important that the entire (e.g. 64GB) be bought at once? Of course, I do understand one shouldn't mix the DIMMs - but as long as they are exactly the same model, is it really that bad to add another 32GB later on?

Piotr

For DDR4, anything above 2133 MHz is an overclock. High frequency kits like these are made from binned components. then the factory/lab verifies they are capable of reaching the stated frequency with the stated voltage. In the real world you might not even be able to achieve the stated speeds because of motherboard, bios, or auxiliary components causing instabilities (silicon lottery). even the kits themselves can have minor stability differences between them that can screw you over.

In other words at these performance levels you absolutely want to buy a single kit unless you are an expert. You, also want to go with one thats on the QVL, because if something goes wrong you wont have a leg to stand on when it comes to the manufacture and retailer.

I personally prefer Asus, based on the experiences of my peers, friends and my own.

a 1950x and 2 Tian Xps have a combined TDP of 680 watts. overclocked and stressed they can consume right around 1000 watts. After you add in all the auxiliary components I don't think 1200 whats will be enough.

If it was me, I'd go with a 1500 or 1600 watt PSU, just for the peace of mind!

Based on the ROG ZENITH EXTREME's QVL I'd go with one of these the ram kits.

• Fastest lowest latency kit but only 32GB - G.SKILL F4-3200C14Q-32GTZR
• 64GB but not as fast the 32 GB above - Kingston Hyper X HX430C15PB3K4/64
• faster than the 64 GB kit but it's 128 GB - G.SKILL Ripjaws F4-3000C14Q2-128GVKD

The G.SKILL F4-3200C14Q-32GTZR kit has the best available frequency and latency combo currently on the market. G.Skill makes a 64 GB kit (F4-3200C14Q2-64GTZR) of it. It's not on the QVL, but should still work.

Hello,

Dan is right: 32GB - G.SKILL F4-3200C14Q-32GTZR is the best RAM KIT currently.

I have since 3 years: G Skill TridentZ F4-3200C14-16GTZ 16GB (CAS 14) X 2 (=32GB RAM)
and never had to regret it. I made a big purchase at the time but it is amortized.

Even if I change CPU: I keep them (there is no better).

Now: everyone has to choose their technological solutions. Personally: I prefer to see in the long term but it is a choice and never an economic solution, heu... only in the first time.

After: No regret => it is only a question of depreciation ...
Nothing is free.

Hi.

I started to look at the ASUS ROG ZENITH EXTREME X399 QVL.

For 64 GB DDR4-3000 I see 8 lines with Team,
1 line with Hyper X and 1 line with Corsair.

And 3 lines with 128 GB from G.Skill

But it don't know if there is an another for the ASUS ROG ZENITH EXTREME X399 rev 2

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13124/th ... x-review/5

Other X399 motherboards have normal QVL. And an another QVL for Threadripper 2 with higher speeds. But I can't find any for the rev 2.

I also found a review of it. And wonder why you choose it for Resolve?
Here is a link to the the Conclusion page of the review:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13081/th ... -review/11

Regards Carsten.

But it don't know if there is an another for the ASUS ROG ZENITH EXTREME X399 rev 2

There is no revision 2 MB yet.

here is the QVL for gen 1 threadripper cpus it goes all the way up to 3600 Mhz
http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/soc ... 3-3600.pdf

here is the QVL for gen 2 threadripper cpus. It's shorter and only goes to 3000 Mhz http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/soc ... 133....pdf


What asus usually does is publish a list of common ram kits when a cpu launches and then updates it with more exotic kits over time. One reason for this, is because they make changes to the micro code in firmware updates to add optimizations for various ram kit timings.

And wonder why you choose it for Resolve?

This is kind of like a what car manufacture do you prefer type of question.

Is it really that important that the entire (e.g. 64GB) be bought at once? Of course, I do understand one shouldn't mix the DIMMs - but as long as they are exactly the same model, is it really that bad to add another 32GB later on?

Hi.

It is a bad idea to buy half of the DDR4-Ram now and the rest later.

I don't know if you think of buying only 2x16 GB DDR4-Ram now or if you think buying 4x8 GB DDR4-Ram now and an another 4x8 GB DDR4-Ram later?
But both is an bad idea. I recommend you to buy 4x16 GB DDR4-Ram now.

They reason is that the AMD Treadripper is a 4 channel Ram Design. I expect it will work with 2x16 GB Rams. But it will be as slow, as slow as a Normal Desktop with dual channels design and only populated with ONE RAM module.

4x8 GB DDR4-Ram now and an another 4x8 GB DDR4-Ram later is also a bad idea. Nearly all Threadripper motherboards have 8 Ram sockets. But you can have faster RAM speeds, if you only populate the 4. That is the reason I recommend you to buy all you wanted RAM now.

Here is a link to 'Tips for Building a Better AMD Ryzen™ System' from AMD. The Ryzen is the AMD mainline CPU normally with 4 RAM sockets and a dual channel RAM design. But it will show you the speed advantage by only populating half of the sockets:

https://community.amd.com/community/gam ... zen-system

The 16 core Threadripper actually consist of two Ryzen modules, so I expect the speeds in the table to be the same.

Regards Carsten.

Thanks so much guys.

Will this RAM do? G.Skill Sniper X DDR4, 4x16GB, 3200MHz, CL16 (F4-3200C16Q-64GSXFB) - or do I definitely need CL14? More generally speaking, is the CL parameter equally important as speed in GHz? Asking, as for similar price (still in my budget) I could get these: G.Skill Trident Z DDR4, 4x16GB, 3000MHz, CL14 (F4-3000C14Q-64GTZ); here I have CL14 but only 3,000 GHz ... EDIT: just read that "The AMD Ryzen™ processor does not offer memory dividers for DDR4-3000", so I know my answer Will have to stretch my budget to get e.g. those:
G.Skill Trident Z DDR4, 4x16GB, 3200MHz, CL14 (F4-3200C14Q-64GTZ)

Sorry for my lame questions:)

Piotr

PS. Regarding my planned choice of the Asus - yeah I know they call it a "gamers' board', but so are almost all higher-end boards from MSI or Gigabyte (heck - my Titan Xp is also called "gamer's graphics card") ... I assume I'd need to wait for the Rev.2 Asus model anyway (OR NOT?), so in the meantime which specific model of a mainboard would you recommend??? (must have enough PCIe slots for my 2x Titan Xp plus 2-slot-wide x8 one for my Decklink).... For instance, there is this Gigabyte board with enough x16 slots and "original" M.2 mounting: X399 DESIGNARE EX; it's suspiciously inexpensive - where's the trick?

Speaking about a motherboard which has enough PCIe lanes / slots for my 3 double-slots cards (2x Titan Xp and dual-slot x8 Decklink 12G with HDMI mezzanine) - I have found an ASRock which hasn't got all this "gamer" blah blah:

https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/X399%20Taichi/index.asp

Does anyone know this board? I'm not hiding it looks attractive to me as it's quite substantially (almost 50%) cheaper than the Asus I mentioned before.

Piotr

PS: one thing I can see is no heat sinks for the M.2 SSDs...

Hi.

You wrote that your Titan Xp is also called "gamer's graphics card". Yes, but Resolve is using the CUDA cores in it.

Jim Anderson Senior Vice President from AMD says at 7:50 in this YouTube: 'MSI MEG X399 Creation motherboards is more for Creators, Asus ROG Zenith Extreme is a great Gaming motherboard'

Here is an another link for a new X399 Refresh motherboard 'GIGABYTE Ships X399 Aorus Xtreme: A Chariot for Threadripper 2'

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13206/gi ... rus-xtreme

I looked at its QVL for a couple days ago. Its look promising.


Here is a link to 'The GIGABYTE X399 DESIGNARE EX Motherboard Review'

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13001/th ... ard-review

You ask 'where's the trick?' It is a Generation 1 motherboard with a design for a TDP of 180 Watt. But both the current 16 core 1950X and comming 16 core 2950X also have a TDP 180 Watt rating.
I didn't check the QVL, but I expect it also to be first generation.

That makes the GIGABYTE X399 DESIGNARE EX special is that Intel in a blog announced that they want to give Thunderbolt 3 for free to the rest of the industry. So the X399 DESIGNARE EX have a header for it. But the Thunderbolt 3 was never completely implemented. You can red more about it in the beginning of the 19 Comments.


And this time page 3 of the 'The ASUS X399 ROG Zenith Extreme Motherboard Review: Top Tier Threadripper' for what is in the box:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13081/th ... ard-review

M.2 DIMM 2 vertical board
ASUS AREION 10G PCIe ×4 LAN adapter.

The M.2 DIMM 2 vertical board goes into the 9th DIMM socket.

The ROG AREION 10G PCIe ×4 card is a PCIe ×4 and will requere one slot if you want to use it.

The distance from the CPU socket to the first PCI x16 slot is different from motherboard to motherboard. On Phoronix.com saw a picture of the ASUS X399 ROG Zenith Extreme where the huge AIR cooler was to large for a add in card in slot 1. They solved it by moving the graphics card to slot 3. But with 2x Titan Xps you don't have that possibilities. So I will look at the best Noctua Air cooler you can get.

Regards Carsten.

I wrote this long post before I saw your last questens. I will come back later.

Dear Carsten,

I'm extremely grateful to you for the time and effort in answering nearly all my lame questions. I'm really not very experienced in building such high end workstations, so please explain to me in more laymen terms the following:

1. About the GIGABYTE X399 DESIGNARE EX, you wrote about TDP of 180 Watt, and added that "both the current 16 core 1950X and comming 16 core 2950X also have a TDP 180 Watt rating." Firstly - the 2950X is going to be 32 cores, not 16 - right? And secondly: what are the implications of them "also" having TDP of 180 W, in the context of the Designare board's TDP? Please forgive me not knowing much about TDP

2. Do you agree with one of the discussion participants who said that for my planned Ryzen system (with 2x Titan Xp, Decklink 12G with HDMI mezzanine, 2x M.2 NVMe SSDs, 4 spinning WD Black HDDs and 64GB of RAM), my planned 1200 W PSU may not be enough?

3. Is the MSI MEG X399 Creation the only Rev. 2 Ryzen mobo currently on the market?

Thanks Sir

Piotr

Hi.

I normally try to answer questens in the order they come in and in the order I find the links I want to post. But I will try to make some very short answers to you last questens.

4 day ago started AMD to deliver the Threadripper 2990WX 32 cores 64 threads CPU worldwide. On August 31st will the 2950X 16 cores 32 threads arrive and the last 12 and 24 cores CPU will arrive to October. The 32 and 24 core have a TDP of 250 Watt and the 16 core and the 12 core have a TDP of 180 Watt as all generation 1 Threadrippers CPU.

Many people think that TDP Thermal design power is equal to Power or consumed Power, but that is not true.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_design_power

1. In your case you want the Motherboards TDP to be larger or equal to the Threadrippers CPU's TDP.
So a CPU with a TDP of 180 Watt fit well in a Motherboard with a TDP of 180 Watt rating.

2. I don't know which Threadripper CPU that will be right for you. I don't know if you want to buy a Threadripper CPU with few core now and may be upgrade it i August 2019 where I expect AMD the come with the next generation 3 Treadrippers on the 7 nm die. I expect the generation 3 CPU will have around max 48 cores. When we have decided for a current Threadripper CPU and a possible upgrade path can we better look into the size of the Power Supply.

3. Threadrippers generation 2 is only 4 days old. And in my previous post did a mention:
'Here is an another link for a new X399 Refresh motherboard GIGABYTE Ships X399 Aorus Xtreme: A Chariot for Threadripper 2'

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13206/gi ... rus-xtreme

Regards Carsten.

OK, Gentlemen (Carsten and Andrzej);

My goal is to buy a 16-core Threadripper now, but with a motherboard which would let me upgrade to 24 or 32 cores in the future. After all, only 3 days ago did I switch my focus from Intel i9 16-core for which I was close to pull the trigger on, but learned the Threadripper's socket is "guaranteed" to stay what it's now (TR4), so any future CPU upgrade would not necessarily mean the need of entire system upgrade as with the Intel.

So suppose I buy the 2950X now; is it safe to state that if I buy the GIGABYTE X399 Aorus Xtreme I will be able to upgrade CPU alone, if I find out that with my 2 Titan Xps there is still room for more CPU cores (like 24 or even 32), without my GPU becoming a bottleneck? I guess this is the simplest and most important question I'm able to ask at the current level of my (limited) knowledge...

Also, a second more important question: if I go with the cheapest board I can get now (either the Gigabyte DESIGNARE EX or the ASRock X399 Taichi), for financial reasons - I'll be limited to the 1950X only, for those mobos TDP limited to just 180 W?

And finally, if I wanted to really save some money and buy the 1950X for now rather than 2950X - what are my mobo options (now and in the furue, if I wanted to upgrade straight to 24 core CPU)?

Thanks a lot,

Piotr

Hi.

AMD have promised to keep the TR4 Treadripper socket until 2020.

GIGABYTE X399 Aorus Xtreme have a TDP of 250 Watt and all Generation 1 and 2 CPUs will run in it.

And I now have received an answer to my email to my local Asus office. They are sorry but for the moment the don't have any information about the Cooling kit for Threadripper 2.
Asus also have a cheap generation 1 motherboard. It is call PRIME X399-A it is in this reviews of 7 Threadripper generation motherboards:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/11685/am ... therboards

The ASRock X399 Taichi was selected by Ian in 'AnandTech's Best Motherboards 2017'

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12072/best-motherboards

But be careful. The is also a microATX ASRock X399M Taichi:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12272/as ... 99m-taichi

Regards Carsten.

Thanks Carsten ; this ASRock X399 Taichi looks more and more interesting...

But, please bear it with me and answer those specific question:

1. I'd like to do my shopping asap, and the Taichi is available as is the 1950X Threadripper. Please tell me what I asked in my previous post: if I buy the now (first generation), and - say within a year - decide my system would do with more cores CPU, will this motherboard accept the upcoming 24 or 32 Threadripper?

2. Would this PSU do for my system as I described in previous thread (I realize it's a budget model, but... ): Chieftec Power Smart 1450W (GPS-1450C) ???

If your answer is "yes" to both questions, I'm ready to upgrade TIA

Piotr

PS. I realize waiting for the second generation is tempting, but I have to make my current upgrade considerably cheaper than it would be for Intel Core i9-7960X ....

Hi.

1. No. The ASRock X399 Taichi will NOT accept the upcoming 24 or 32 Threadripper.
For the 24 or 32 Threadripper you will need a MEG X399 CREATION , GIGABYTE X399 Aorus Xtreme or one of the tree ASUS generation 1 motherboard with a coming Threadripper 2nd gen cooling kit.

https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/PRIME-X399-A/

2. I never build a desktop with more than a 620 watt power supply. But I wonder, what power supply do you have on your X99 System and with what connectors. Can it be reused?
But else do I hope others with more knowledge than me can give you an answer.

Regards Carsten.

2. I never build a desktop with more than a 620 watt power supply. But I wonder, what power supply do you have on your X99 System and with what connectors. Can it be reused?
But else do I hope others with more knowledge than me can give you an answer.

Regards Carsten.

On my current system I have a very good 1,000W Corsair PSU, but I'd rather sell the entire system (minus my Titans and Decklink) as a functioning system, So again: will 1200W do? I could buy a nice, fully modular Corsair HX1200 of much better quality than the 1450W Chieftec...

I actually used one of the many PSU calculators out there, and it says even 1,000 W would suffice - but that was for the Intel Core i9-7960X ....

Thanks again, Piotr

PS. Your fisrt answer has been a bit of a dismay to me... It means that - in order to open myself an open road to CPU upgrades, I have to wait for the availability of gen. 2 with Polish retailers, plus it will probably be even more expensive (even with "just" the 16-core 2950X)...PLUS, the Asus Prime X399-A will not accept my dual-slot Decklink with 2 GPUs - is your information about the only X399 Asus - the Zenith Extreme - that will do that, but wan't accept the coming Threadripper 2nd gen cooling kit 100% accurate?

GTX 1080Ti absolute short peak is at about 350W ( when overclocked if I understand correctly)
https://www.tomshardware.co.uk/asus-rog ... 051-4.html
Typically <300W.

2950x about the same for torture test when overclocked.
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/am ... 25-13.html
It's way less normally (200W).

So lest say safely 3x300 in reality+ other components. 1200 should be enough in real world. I doubt you will ever stress CPU and both GPUs at proper 100% at the same time. You 1KW power supply should be fine.

Don't guess or be lazy. All what you need is 5 minute google session.

Hi.

AMD use to launch it new CPU's worldwide through its distributor network at the day of launch. I expect you can buy the 2950X from the 31st August in the afternoon in Poland.

Asus sent out a press release. I expect it came from the headquarter and a lot of computer sites publish it.

The official place I have seen it is in my previous link:

https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/PRIME-X399-A/

And here is a lot from different sites:

https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/asus- ... -gen2.html

https://www.vortez.net/news_story/asus_ ... oards.html

https://wccftech.com/asus-x399-cooling- ... announced/

https://tw.saowen.com/a/edd06b0c5e9b320 ... 9d24f8c577

https://nl.hardware.info/nieuws/58811/a ... adripper-2

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu_ma ... erboards/1


As I see in on of the pictures. Is it for Asus ROG ZE, ROG STRIX X399-E GAMING and the PRIME X399

And I am sorry. I didn't realize that your Decklink was a dual-slot.

Regards Carsten.

Don't guess or be lazy. All what you need is 5 minute google session.

Andrzeju, pisałem że sprawdzałem w kilku kalkulatorach on-line, didn't I? ze wszystkich - nawet przy sporyms afe factor - wyszło, że 1,200W powinno wystarczyć... Ale zupełnie nie mam doświadczenia z platformą AMD, więc gdy ktoś w tym wątku zasugerował 1,500W to zwątpłem.

Lepiej doradź, jak wybrnąć z obecnego problemmu decyzyjnego dot. płyty głównej... Powinna mi chodzic z 1950X (bo inaczej - jak pójdę w 2950X - to nie będzie taniej, niż z i9). Ale musi dawać mozliwośc przesiadki na 24 albo 32 rdzenie w przyszłości.

Unless you truly believe that - with "just two" Titan's Xp - I will never need more than 16-core CPU (which is possible, as now - with just 8 core i7 and two Titans - I only occasionally see the CPU bottlenecking the system; 16- core should really be plenty enough with this GPU power, don't you think?

Dzięki!

Piotr

Hi.

Here is a list of where to buy AMD Cpu's in Poland:

Euro.com
IT PROMO
KOMPUTRONIK
MORELE.NET
NTT
X-KOM
SFERIS

Of cause you can also bay from others dealer, but may be a few day later.

From this link:

https://www.amd.com/en/where-to-buy/ryzen-processors

You may be want to check, if you can buy the 32 core 2990WX now, It was released worldwide monday 13th August.

Regards Carsten.

And I am sorry. I didn't realize that your Decklink was a dual-slot.

Regards Carsten.

Yeah, Carsten - this has always been a very limiting factor in my system building/modification. Should BMD at least have built its HDMI mezzanine as only connected to the x8 main Decklink card with a flexible cable, I could easily find place for it somewhere inside the case. But it's a stiff, four posts, rigid tow-PCB construction - so even though I only need a PCIe Gen. 2 x8 slot electrcally, it excludes the use of most popular mainboards and/or cases...

Even now - in order to accommodate everything on the X99 board and (as much of it as possible) inside a rather small CoolerMaster case - I had to purchase two stripe "PCIe extenders" from 3M, so that my Decklink card as well as my Asus HyperX card with the 1TB M.2 NVMe SSD from Toshiba (which I'm using as my DNxHR HDR cache drive) are now outside the case gathering dust like crazy This is one of the reasons I would like to upgrade asap, and use this opportunity to put everything inside the case, so that it's protected from elements...

Cheers,
Piotr

Hi.

Here is a list of where to buy AMD Cpu's in Poland:

Euro.com

Regards Carsten.

OK, so it's been done: I purchased the 2990WX with 0% interest

Since it's obviously more expensive than the i9 option I was saving for - it's now very important to find the right board. Without all the gamers' bells and whistles, just capable of running this monster and accommodating all my PCIe expansions... The person who heps me find one has a beer when he/she comes to Poland

Piotr

Hi.

Here is a list of where to buy AMD Cpu's in Poland:

Euro.com

Regards Carsten.

OK, so it's been done: I purchased the 2990WX with 0% interest

Since it's obviously more expensive than the i9 option I was saving for - it's now very important to find the right board. Without all the gamers' bells and whistles, just capable of running this monster and accommodating all my PCIe expansions... The person who heps me find one has a beer when he/she comes to Poland

Piotr

PS. Looks like my favorite ASRock will support it! As well as the Gigabyte X399 DESIGNARE EX:
https://wccftech.com/amd-x399-motherboa ... pper-cpus/

Hi.

First congratulation with you new AMD Threadripper 2990WX.

Yes several generation 1 motherboards have bios updates and will support it with up to a TDP of 180 watt.

But If possible will I prefer to run if with a TDP of 250 watt. It will just be faster.

Here is a link for the Asus ROG ZENITH EXTREME

https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/RO ... H-EXTREME/

A little down is 2 dots, a red and a white. When you click on the left do you see RELOAD WITH COOLING KIT:

'The ROG Zenith Extreme Cooling Kit contains a 4010 fan, fan bracket, and an SOC heatsink, designed to cool vital motherboard power delivery areas to enhance the overclocking potential of 2nd Gen Threadripper WX Series Processers.'

If it was me, would I begin with contacting you local Asus Office and ask where and when you can buy it.

But as you told me is the problem your dual slot deck-link.

Can any of the Asus X399 boards with a coming cooling kit fit 3 dual slot cards?

Can any of the refresh x399 motherboard from MSI or Gigabyte fit 3 dual slot cards?

But I wonder, We haven't seen any refresh X399 motherboards from AsRock yet?

Regards Carsten.

Dear Carsten,

All the boards I ever mentioned in this thread I checked for the proper PCIe slot configuration, and all of them are compatible with my Decklink (dual slot) plus 2x Titan Xp GPUs:

ASRock X399 Taichi,
Gigabyte X399 DESIGNARE EX
Asus X399 ROG Zenith Extreme

I'm sure all Asus higher-end boards will get this extra kits - I now wonder whether any of those first tow will (yes - the Asus is now explicitely advertise as compatible with 2nd Gen Threadripper WX Series Processors... Thanks for your assistance,

Piotr

Don't guess or be lazy. All what you need is 5 minute google session.

Andrzeju, pisałem że sprawdzałem w kilku kalkulatorach on-line, didn't I? ze wszystkich - nawet przy sporyms afe factor - wyszło, że 1,200W powinno wystarczyć... Ale zupełnie nie mam doświadczenia z platformą AMD, więc gdy ktoś w tym wątku zasugerował 1,500W to zwątpłem.

Lepiej doradź, jak wybrnąć z obecnego problemmu decyzyjnego dot. płyty głównej... Powinna mi chodzic z 1950X (bo inaczej - jak pójdę w 2950X - to nie będzie taniej, niż z i9). Ale musi dawać mozliwośc przesiadki na 24 albo 32 rdzenie w przyszłości.

Unless you truly believe that - with "just two" Titan's Xp - I will never need more than 16-core CPU (which is possible, as now - with just 8 core i7 and two Titans - I only occasionally see the CPU bottlenecking the system; 16- core should really be plenty enough with this GPU power, don't you think?

Dzięki!

Piotr

Ok, sorry. 1.5KW? This is more than enough.

OK, so it's been done: I purchased the 2990WX with 0% interest

Are you working with a lot of 4k+ raw footage? If not, I have serious concerns about the 2990WX being the best cpu for you. More cores is not always better.



take note that the 2990wx core clock is 3.0 ghz the 2950x is 3.5 GHZ. The boos clocks are 4.2 Ghz and 4.4 GHz. Also keep in mind that the more cores you have the less time will be spent at the max boot frequency because you will generate more heat faster.Also the 2950x will most likely be able to achieve a higher overclock than the 2990wx . depending on the type of footage you are working with, fewer cores at a higher frequency, might offer more performance than more cores at a lower frequency.

Without all the gamers' bells and whistles, just capable of running this monster and accommodating all my PCIe expansions...

Don't knock the gamer boards, they are usually built with better components than your consumer grade workstations. The first thing gamers usually do is overclock everything to get more performance. Thus the MB have to beuilt to take that abuse. I'm not a gamer but my personal machine has the CPU, GPU, & RAM overclocked, yielding about 18% more performance than i would get if i kept everything stock.


also about your pcie slots, depending on what case you are using pcie riser cables might also be an option for you.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product. ... 8EF5VJ0319


When it comes to motherboards, i suggest you hold off till the major manufactures release v2 x399 boards. ASUS and MSI are the top HEDT manufactures.

Speaking about the number of threads:

- with my current 8-core i7 and two Titan Xp GPUs, I find the CPU being bottlenecking my system quite often (it shows when the CPU is working at 100% while the GPU at not much more than 20-30%. So I guess I will definitely benefit from more CPU cores - the question is whether that much more

- Since I've yet to start any work with Fusion (have no experience with it), my question is: does DR 15' embedded Fusion use more CPU or GPU? If it's the former, again I will benefit.

- And finally: I'm not running Resolve solely; CAE (FEA) analyses in Moldflow sometimes block my PC for several days, especially when running DOE. With 32 cores, this will be much faster as Moldflow is fully parallelized (and can run several analyses simultaneously). I can even imagine running a Moldflow analysis in the background while using Resolve normally (Moldflow used to use GPU for acceleration, but doesn't any more).

Will appreciate any comments on this

Piotr

PS. I don't work with RAW - just 25 or 50p UHD and/or 4K DCI LOG (Sony and/or Panasonic).

Speaking about the number of threads:

- with my current 8-core i7 and two Titan Xp GPUs, I find the CPU being bottlenecking my system quite often (it shows when the CPU is working at 100% while the GPU at not much more than 20-30%.

what model is your 8 core?

Hi.

I like to read the 'What's Hot' and the 'What's Not' together with the 'Final Thoughts' of the Tweaktowns reviews. May be they can tell you a little more about the differences of this tree motherboards:

https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8385/ ... dex11.html

https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8309/ ... dex11.html

https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8328/ ... dex11.html

Regards Carsten.

Speaking about the number of threads:

- with my current 8-core i7 and two Titan Xp GPUs, I find the CPU being bottlenecking my system quite often (it shows when the CPU is working at 100% while the GPU at not much more than 20-30%.

what model is your 8 core?

It's the Intel® Core™ i7-5960X Extreme , Dan.

Piotr

Hi.

I like to read the 'What's Hot' and the 'What's Not' together with the 'Final Thoughts' of the Tweaktowns reviews. May be they can tell you a little more about the differences of this tree motherboards:

https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8385/ ... dex11.html

https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8309/ ... dex11.html

https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8328/ ... dex11.html

Regards Carsten.

Yeah, interesting reading. I wonder why nobody mentions the 180 W TDP limit you brought on as a serious limiting factor... Were it not for this, the ASRock X399 Taichi would definitely be my favorite - I do like or need all the bells and whistles the other two cards are overloaded with.

My choice of the motherboard is still open, and I won't make any decision before next week. Could you please direct me to some readings about TDP of the Asus Zenth, ASRock Taichi and Gigabyte Designare as opposed to the GIGABYTE X399 Aorus Xtreme? If you already did and I missed it - sorry, please point me again. Thank you, Carsten!

Piotr