Improving Resolve Performance on Windows

OK, so basing on the Configurator I should get this:
https://www.ekwb.com/custom-loop-config ... aa3ba4443d

But I could also buy a plug&play - also 3x 120mm fans, top-mounted solution:
https://www.morele.net/chlodzenie-wodne ... p-1622316/

For somebody who doesn't have time to work as a plumber with his PC, will the latter, elegant solution suffice?

Piotr

OK, so basing on the Configurator I should get this:
https://www.ekwb.com/custom-loop-config ... aa3ba4443d

But I could also buy a plug&play - also 3x 120mm fans, top-mounted solution:
https://www.morele.net/chlodzenie-wodne ... p-1622316/

For somebody who doesn't have time to work as a plumber with his PC, will the latter, elegant solution suffice?

Piotr

That is actually the cooler I used to use, and it's a very good cooler.

Why do you go for the expensive Titan Xp 12 GB instead of the VEGA FE 16 GB with professionel driver support and support for 10 bits color overlay in OpenGL.

What kind of source material are you going to work with?

That is actually the cooler I used to use, and it's a very good cooler.

Do you mean the all-in-one Enermax LiqTech TR4 360?

Why do you go for the expensive Titan Xp 12 GB instead of the VEGA FE 16 GB with professionel driver support and support for 10 bits color overlay in OpenGL.

What kind of source material are you going to work with?

Long story short - I bought two Titan Xps even before I thought I'd ever go with AMD...Was close to buying i9-7960X, and "somehow" they all seemed to go better together for me..

Piotr

That is actually the cooler I used to use, and it's a very good cooler.

Do you mean the all-in-one Enermax LiqTech TR4 360?

Why do you go for the expensive Titan Xp 12 GB instead of the VEGA FE 16 GB with professionel driver support and support for 10 bits color overlay in OpenGL.

What kind of source material are you going to work with?

Long story short - I bought two Titan Xps even before I thought I'd ever go with AMD...

Piotr

Yep the all-in-one Enermax.

Just saw they don't sell new VEGA FE's any more, it's a pitty they where a real steal (have 3 of them).

Misha, will you help me some more?

Please download the PHANTEKS Enthoo Pro user's manual from http://www.phanteks.com/Enthoo-Pro.html, and help me make sure whether the 402 x 120 x 28 mm Enermax LiqTech TR4 360 radiator will fit at the top. Also, I cannot see any info about top-mounting of water-cooling in this case; there only is the rear radiator bracket mentioned.

I'm completely new to water cooling, and at the verge of final ordering, so you would help me tremendously - TIA!

Piotr

Hi.

Enermax have just introduced its new LiqTech TR4 II cooler. I don't know what the difference is:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13212/en ... tr4-ii-lcs

And I don't know if the complaint for 'poor quality coolant' in the 7 Comment is solved?

Do you have any personal experiences, you can share Misha?

Regards Carsten.

Piotr, page 27, 28 and 29 of the manual. At the top you have room for 120..420 mm radiator, so no problem for the Enermax.
Carsten our Enermax always worked well and we now use it on a i7-3960x and it still works as it should.

I was looking very closely at the Enermax TR4 but the reviews on Amazon have scared me off permanently.

Frequent complaints of leaking and corrosion particularly from those who have used it for longer periods (1+ year). It holds up in shorter terms, therefore it reviews well, but it does seem to me there must be some poor construction or defect that increases the probability of leaking over time.

I'm personally waiting for the Wraith Ripper, and if I want to move to an AIO, I will definitely be waiting for a TR4 targeted product from a different vendor than Enermax.

Frankly, it's been this kind of (potential) problems that always kept me away from water cooling. But on the other hand, never before did I plan purchasing a 250W TDP CPU - so again, one more decision problem...

Basing on this article: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page= ... ling&num=1 I was going to pick the Noctua NH-U14S TR4-SP3 air cooler. I know from this video by Noctua there should be no collision with the 1st PCIe card:

- but cannot be sure full height RAM DIMMs will all clear, as well (on the specific mobo I'm planning to buy). Or perhaps - given the standard TR4 socket size - this is not a motherboard-dependent issue? Meaning that if there is enough clearance between the DIMMs and this particular Noctua cooler on another board (ASRock X399 Taichi), I can safely assume the same with another X399 board, like the MSI X399 Gaming Pro Carbon AC ? What's your opinion?

Piotr

EDIT: OK - there is a comprehensive compatibility list for each Noctua model; here it is for the NH-U14S TR4-SP3 and all TR4 X399 boards currently in production:
https://noctua.at/en/products/cpu-coole ... ocket_4092
There is no conflict with any element of the MSI X399 Gaming Pro Carbon AC board. So having this sorted out - the question remains which to pick for the 2990WX:

- the Noctua NH-U14S TR4-SP3 air cooler, or
- the Enermax LiqTech TR4 360 water all-in-one cooler, or its 2x 120mm fans version Enermax LiqTech TR4 240

Opinions welcome

Piotr
,

With all the talk about X399 motherboards, I wonder if these (pretty thorough) videos may be of interest:

and

That last videos thumbnail, sceams clickbait.

If you are going to fully populate the RAM with 8 sticks then I think the choice is the Enermax. Also gives more room for GPU as well. I am about to also make a Threadripper system and for me I will go with the latest version of the Enermax 240 NOT version 1 that seems to have some issues by some people. I am making the assumption that the latest version has these issues resolved.

If you are going to fully populate the RAM with 8 sticks then I think the choice is the Enermax. Also gives more room for GPU as well. I am about to also make a Threadripper system and for me I will go with the latest version of the Enermax 240 NOT version 1 that seems to have some issues by some people. I am making the assumption that the latest version has these issues resolved.

Are you basing your decision on the amount of heat from RAM when all 8 DIMMs are installed, or some physical conflicts possible between the Noctua NH-U14S TR4-SP3 air cooler and full-hight DIMMs when there is 8 of them?

Piotr

Physical issues and there are several Youtube videos to demonstrate this. One will need to raise the fan ( or fans ) a little to get the clearance for the first RAM location to avoid noise /contact in operation and maybe remove fan to install and remove RAM module. Not a real big deal. Unit operates very well and looks to be better than the classic round integrated liquid coolers so for me Enermax is the only good integrated water cooler because of the full contact plate. For me any cooler that does not have full coverage of the heat spreader is not going to work well. These air coolers and the Enermax have that coverage. Although there is clearance to the GPU slot I think I prefer to not have a big heat sink and fan so close to my GPU. I think the Wraith Ripper has even more clearance issues

Hi guys,

I had a very good price/performance ratio DIMM set (https://www.morele.net/pamiec-g-skill-t ... tz-858856/) on my 2990WX workstation order, but the retailer is now saying they were all sold. Please take a look at the following page (sorry it's in Polish, but the DIMM names speak for themselves); this is what they have now in stock. The filters are at the page top, bu to remind you - I limited the search to G.Skill (perhaps some other brand could be better for my 2990WX???), DDR4, 3200 MHz, CL14. I don't need any bells or whistles like RGB and alike.

Please take a look and tell me which would be the best set?

https://www.morele.net/komputery/podzes ... 24:3332/1/

Please help me - my machine is being put together while we speak!

Piotr

When browsing my motherboard RAM compatibility list here: https://pl.msi.com/Motherboard/support/ ... ort-mem-17 , my knowledge is too limited to find what I need. Let's take the entry for G.Skill:

DIMMS for MSI X399 Carbon AC.JPG (17.65 KiB) Viewed 15947 times

So, the second part of the "model" name starts with 64 - this would mean to me it's 64GB set, right? BUT - If so, what does SIDE mean (of course, I do have my suspicions but why is Size=8GB? With no check mark for the 8-DIMM config (which I wouldn't like anyway), the max capacity of this set seems to be either 2x8 or 4x8 GB, which would mean the 64 in "64GTZSW" part of Model name doesn't stand for 64GB

I also am getting lost when looking at the following "comapatybility list" table in the new G.Skill linep for AMD Ryzen & Threadripper (https://wccftech.com/gskill-amd-ryzen-o ... r4-memory/):

new amd dimms compatibility.JPG (48.8 KiB) Viewed 15946 times

So the table says Ryzen requires 2-channel, and Threadripper - 4-channel memory, right? Is there any consequence of this fact, other than for Ryzen one needs DIMM sets consisting of pairs, while for Threadripper they must consist of fours (or eights, of course)? Could some good soul explain it all to me? Thanks!

DDR4-3200 CL14 memory is best memory you can get for Threadripper. Make sure when you want 64 GB that you get 4x16 GB and not the 8x8 GB. It doesn't matter which brand you pick. GSkill is renowned for their fast memory using Samsung-B dies(best part of the wafer). The drawback is that it is freaking expensive.

Piotr -
Sorry to digress but I'm also looking at an upgrade - and slightly confused. Please excuse me if I missed something in this thread. Also I'm an Intel CPU and Asus M/B fan so my views may be biased.

First, I agree with Andrew - more cores does not always equal better performance. 32 cores is great for servers running many apps. Few apps benefit from more than eight cores (which you have) but most benefit from increased clock speed.
Next I don't know your workflow (or your budget), but I can't understand why your current system can't handle Resolve adequately. (Asus X-99 Pro/USB3.1; i7-5960X CPU; 64 GB RAM; 2x Titan Xp 12GB GPUs)

Little has changed in CPU performance in many years as silicon technology has "hit the wall" and stalled at 4-5 Ghz. AMD has struggled to beat 4Ghz and their Ryzen marketing has been "if 4 cores are good then 16 or 32 cores must be better" which is not true for a single user. Thinner 10Nm and even 7Nm CPUs will reduce power consumption for mobile devices extending battery life but not much difference in performance.

Have you overclocked your i7? If not, you should be able to boost it from a base frequency of 3GHz to 4.5Ghz on all cores with a water cooler which could result in up to a 50% performance improvement.

https://rog.asus.com/articles/overclocking/rog-overclocking-guide-core-for-5960x-5930k-5820k/

Even the latest X299 Skylake-X Core i7-7820X 8 core will only overclock to a stable 4.5-4.6 Ghz. This is still good compared 8 core Ryzens which quickly run out of steam when pushed above 4.0 Ghz but no significant benefit to you. The only good news is the price is about $450 which is probably about half what your CPU cost.

The i9-7900X X299 $1K 10 core will give you about 25% more at base clock speed
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i9-7900X-vs-Intel-Core-i7-5960X/3936vs2580
It can also be overclocked to 4.5-4.6Ghz but at a whopping 400+ watts of power vs 200 watts without overclocking. (Beware of benchmark scores as many are designed to put max load on all cores which is not the real world).

I'm waiting for Resolve 15 benchmarks. Puget Systems is a good objective source and hopefully will do a Resolve 15 benchmark soon. It's interesting to see their Premiere Pro tests where average CPU performance showed the lowly $350 i7-8700K beat the 8 core Ryzen as did the 8 core Intel. There was also little performance gain moving from 8 to 14 core CPUs.
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Premiere-Pro-CC-2017-1-2-CPU-Performance-Core-i7-8700K-i5-8600K-i3-8350K-1047/

I'm also wondering if integrating Fusion into Resolve 15 has increased hardware demands. It's good marketing but doesn't help me if I need a $10K workstation to run a $300 NLE

(I know someone editing 6K RED with Resolve 14 on an old i7 4 core CPU - he loves it and brags he hasn't had a crash since he started)

Good news for the Ryzen and Threadripper users 32 GB UDIMM's and 32 GB ECC UDIMM's are out

https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/dram/module/M378A4G43MB1-CTD/

https://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/dram/module/M391A4G43MB1-CTD/

Ryzen memory controller can handle 512 GB and the Threadripper memory controller can handle 1024 GB.

Hi Al.

As I understand Piotr's previous post, do he already have 2 x Titan XP Graphics Cards.
So I don't understand why you link to Puget Systems page where they compare 'Skylake-X (X299) & Ryzen (X370) Test Platforms'
Ryzen X370 motherboards have only 20 PCIe Lanes. Do you expect Piotr to run his 2 x Titan XP in PCIe x8 slots?

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/artic ... 350K-1047/

The test is dated October 6, 2017 and the AMD HEDT Threadripper System was introduced August 10, 2017. Why didn't they compare Intels HEDT System with AMD similar HEDT System.

But there are two others ting I don't like with the Pudget Test. Some times back have they decided not to overclock their test system. I think it may be was OK years back. But then AMD introduced the Ryzen and Threadripper with over 100 sensors inside the chips determine the speed. What is then the right clock?
And what is then the right memory speed?
Pudget decided on DDR4-2666, the same as the use for Intel. BMD write DDR4-3200 for Threadripper in the Configuration Guide?
What do you think?

The other thing I don't like is 'One other thing we want to point out is that while our test platforms are using a single hard drive, that is not actually what we would typically recommend to our customers.'
I wonder. How many of you are only using single hard drive in your Desktops?


You write also that 'Thinner 10Nm and even 7Nm CPUs will reduce power consumption for mobile devices extending battery life but not much difference in performance.'
I am sorry, but that is not the way I see it. I think that when you reduce the power consumption, do you also reduce the generated heat. When you generate less heat, can you increase the power and still stay with the same cooling solution as with the previous generation.

You also write 'tests where average CPU performance showed the lowly $350 i7-8700K beat the 8 core Ryzen as did the 8 core Intel'.
None af the tree have enough PCIe Lanes to run 2 x Titan XP's. Not even the 8 core i7-7820X have more than 28 PCIe lanes.


A big part of this thread is about the new AMD Threadripper 2 Cpu's. Here is a list some of the advantages compared to the AMD Ryzen 7 1800X
used in the Pudget Test:

Precision Boost 2
XFR2 (eXtreme Frequency Range)
Precision Boost Overdrive
From Zen 14nm to Zen+ on 12nm for a higher frequency and lower power.
Better memory timing than Ryzen 7 1800X
4 channel RAM for higher bandwidth.

Regards Carsten.

Don't be to hard on those pudget guys, they only sell Intel and NVidia and are a commercial enterprise.
These test just give an indication about what to expect.

They test with DDR4-2666 CL19(14,25 ns real latency) and every Threadripper user uses DDR4-3200 CL14(8,75 ns real latency) when they can afford it. They test at stock speed, all users who need speed overclock. The sad story is that nobody else publishes test with Davinci Resolve. We used to have Philips Garage on youtube, but he didn't get enough sponsors to continue his testing.

Hi Carsten,
Apologies if I confused the issue or my info was misleading. These were just some of my thoughts on choosing a new system - as I confessed, I'm biased toward Intel after many decades of owning and building PCs. I'm getting old and cynical which may explain my my caution toward the industry marketing hype that comes with every new generation of CPUs
(I must thank AMD for reducing Intel prices.)

I'll try to address some of your points:

I was only addressing CPU choices trying to illustrate that more cores does not necessarily mean a proportional increase in single user performance and sometimes can even decrease performance.

I cannot understand why Piotr's current i7 8 core CPU doesn't give him the performance he needs and suggested he try overclocking to improve performance. He already has two Titans so I assumed GPUs are more than adequate.
I also compared his current older i7 to the latest generation of i7s and i9 CPUs questioning the benefit of an upgrade.

The Puget Systems example using Premiere Pro (the most popular NLE used by the pros and thus Resolve's biggest competitor) was only used to illustrate the cost vs benefit more cores. All tests were done with a single GTX 1080TI 11GB GPU so the tests only compare CPU performance. I didn't suggest any of these as a solution for Piotr and stated I will wait until I see benchmarks from them using Resolve 15.
The X370 is obviously not a solution for multiple GPUs but the four X299 i7 and i9s tested can support two if needed.

Puget builds quality workstations and never overclocks CPUs. This makes their comparisons fair and useful as overclocking speeds can vary for any CPU and users can damage or destroy them with efforts to push them too far. Intel claims the K and X series are designed for overclocking. (The 8700K is stable at 5.0Ghz) Whatever you may get from overclocking is a bonus to the test results. Same goes for multiple HDDs, SSDs, M.2s DDR3200 etc.
Their benchmarks are widely accepted as fair and objective. More tests are published for Premiere than other NLEs possibly due to its popularity. In the example I used "Our testing includes test footage with resolutions of 4K, 6K, and 8K using six different codecs (more information in the test setup section). In total, we ran nearly 90 unique tests on 10 different CPUs resulting in more than 900 data points."

Re Ryzen - the Ryzen 7 1800X (8 Cores, 16 Threads @3.6GHz, Zen architecture) has been replaced by the thinner 12nm 2700X (@3.7GHz with Zen+) and benchmarks show only a 9% effective speed improvement. At $320 it is cheaper than the $450 8 core i7 14nm but not any faster.
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-7-2700X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-1800X/3958vs3916
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-7-2700X-vs-Intel-Core-i7-7820X/3958vs3928
Ryzen 2 DDR4 "Max System Memory Speed 2933MHz" vs 3200 BMD recommends -See specs
https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-7-2700x

Re Threadripper 2 - I don't know much about it but the $1800 32 core CPU plus a $500 motherboard is not so cheap - maybe not so bad when you consider its 4 CPUs.
Here are some initial pros and cons worth reading:
https://www.pcworld.com/article/3298859/components-processors/how-memory-bandwidth-is-killing-amds-32-core-threadripper-performance.html
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Re: "'Thinner 10Nm and even 7Nm CPUs" you may be correct. Time will tell but it may be 2020 or later before we see them and at my age I no longer have a 5 year plan

Also on Threadripper 2 the latest Puget newsletter received today states:
"one of the biggest announcements last month was the release of AMD's 2nd Generation Threadripper 2990WX. We of course couldn’t wait to begin testing"
"Our testing isn't finished just yet. Still to come: DaVinci Resolve ..." so hopefully we'll see some DR15 benchmarks soon to use as a guideline.
https://www.pugetsystems.com/news/Puget-Systems-Newsletter---September-2018-254

Regarding Misha's comment "Don't be to hard on those puget guys, they only sell Intel and NVidia" I must respectfully disagree. Have a look at their website. They sell the full range of AMD and Intel hardware and do extensive testing on both.

Hope this helps to clear up my thoughts. All comments welcome.

Regards,
Al

Regarding Misha's comment "Don't be to hard on those puget guys, they only sell Intel and NVidia" I must respectfully disagree. Have a look at their website. They sell the full range of AMD and Intel hardware and do extensive testing on both.

Hope this helps to clear up my thoughts. All comments welcome.

Regards,
Al

You are correct here, Puget must have started selling AMD at some point.
And when one lives in the US I would rather buy from them then HP or Dell.
These people love the work they are doing.

Agreed Misha - they build quality work stations at reasonable prices. Also put in a lot of time and effort testing software for best hardware recommendations across a variety of heavy hardware applications including NLEs, Compositing, Animation, etc. Best performance benchmark info I know of
They also have some interesting Mac vs Win comparisons.

Hi Carsten - Don't hold your breath for 7nm CPUs.
GlobalFoundries Stops All 7nm Development
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13277/globalfoundries-stops-all-7nm-development
Seems we have hit the limits of silicon. Intel talking 2020 before 10nm.

No, it's business decision:

"So, the key takeaway here is that while the 7LP platform was a bit behind TSMC’s CLN7FF when it comes to HVM – and GlobalFoundries has never been first to market with leading edge bulk manufacturing technologies anyway – there were no issues with the fabrication process itself. Rather there were deeper economic reasons behind the decision."

OK guys, so - back to my 2990WX system components decision-making saga for a while (if you don't mind):

Both the Gigabyte X399 Aorus Xtreme and the MSI X399 Gaming Pro Carbon AC are said in their specs to have the 10+3 phase digital VRM power. Of course the former is substantially more expensive - but can those more knowledgeable than myself advise whether it's worth to pay extra - and if so, why exactly?

Thanks (it's rather urgent

Piotr

PS. The price difference is over Euro 100, but the Aorus specs proudly say:
Supports AMD 2nd Generation Ryzen™ Threadripper™ and 1st Generation Ryzen™ Threadripper™ Processors

...and futher on:

With up to 32 cores, the 2nd Generation of AMD Ryzen™ Threadripper™ processor can command 64 threads, the most multi-processing power that has ever been unleashed on a consumer desktop. Overwhelm your workloads with 64MB of L3 cache, without sacrificing.

Quad-Channel DDR4 for devastating memory bandwidth, 64 lanes of incredible PCIe Gen3 connectivity, and native USB 3.1 Gen2 10Gb/s support on a chipset. With every processor multiplier-unlocked to be configured as you see fit, GIGABYTE X399 AORUS XTREME is perfectly designed to support the 2nd Generation Ryzen™ Threadripper™ 250W processor to offer you the latest advancements in motherboard technology.

Just which of the above features are NOT supported by the MSI Carbon AC? Perhaps the catch is here:
50A IR3578 for each vCore Phase & each SOC phase, so it's for a total of 650A. ?

OK guys, so - back to my 2990WX system components decision-making saga for a while (if you don't mind):

Just my 2 cents but still don't think you need 32 cores. Please read the article below before you take the plunge.
https://www.pcworld.com/article/3298859/components-processors/how-memory-bandwidth-is-killing-amds-32-core-threadripper-performance.html
Regards,
Al

OK guys, so - back to my 2990WX system components decision-making saga for a while (if you don't mind):

Just my 2 cents but still don't think you need 32 cores. Please read the article below before you take the plunge.
https://www.pcworld.com/article/3298859/components-processors/how-memory-bandwidth-is-killing-amds-32-core-threadripper-performance.html
Regards,
Al

Thanks, but it's' been decided and ordered (do I need 32 cores? I have my usage scenarios but even if it won't work the way I'd love it to, it's enough that I want them) - so if someone really wants to help me, please answer my question on whether the 650 W of power Aurus provides is something worth the extra Euro 100 - I have literally an hour now to make up my mind, as my system is being put together as wee talk I'm trying to find an info about the total usable power of the same (10+3) phases in the cheaper MSI Carbon AC, but can't see it anywhere...I realize the price difference might be only a result of the fact that the Gigabyte Aorus is a new product, but I must know it for sure, and asap - now!

Piotr

PS. All I found so far is that the power section controllers differ between those 2 boards:

- the MSI Carbon AC uses IR35201 controller
- the Gigabyte Aorus uses 50A IR3578

I assume Aurus' 650W power is good for enthusiast who play with crazy overclocking. For normal usage it doesn't matter. If motherboard is decent and certified for give CPU then it will (definitely should) work fine.
It's like with power supply- if it's decent and you need eg 600W at peak than 850W one is fine. Why would you pay a lot more for 1.2KW. It won't make any real difference for your machine. If you buy good components you don't need an crazy margin. With cheap ones (which often lie a lot) it's a different story.

I assume Aurus' 650W power is good for enthusiast who play with crazy overclocking. For normal usage it doesn't matter. If motherboard is decent and certified for give CPU then it will (definitely should) work fine.
It's like with power supply- if it's decent and you need eg 600W than 850W one is plenty. Why would you pay a lot more for 1.2KW. It won't make any real difference for your machine.

Thanks Andrew - and apart from the max power output, do you see any striking difference for a power user like, planning to edit in Resolve while a Moldflow analysis is running in the background? Please try to help - since they started putting my system together today, I must make up my mind NOW

Piotr

Same answer- if motherboard is decent and certified for given CPU then it has to work fine even if it operates at 100% for few h. If you use overclocking then things change a lot. I don't really see what in your case are you gaining with Asurus? Peace of mind?

Same answer- if motherboard is decent and certified for given CPU then it has to work fine even if it operates at 100% for few h. If you use overlooking then things change a lot. I don't really see what in your case are you gaining with Asurus? Pice of mind?

Peace of mind is important, as well

So no other striking differences between the two boards?

Piotr

The other day I placed an order for the 2950X and MSI MEG X399 CREATION (such a silly name). I was originally going to go with the Carbon AC but ultimately decided when I'm spending that much what's a couple hundred extra bucks for the over-engineered power delivery.

I'll reuse the 850W EVGA T2 Platinum and 64GB of DDR4-3000 from my existing Intel system.

I wish AMD would add support for Thunderbolt 3 already. It is the one thing they seem to lack support for, and its been over a year since TR.. I read that they would support it by end of 2017.. still seems like nothing in sight. I have yet to find any PCIe add on cards that add TB3 support, but I bought a dock for TB3 and cant even use it except on a work mac laptop which I have no interest in using it with.

On the bit of what Power supply.. only thing I would say besides enough power (which 650w seems OK but I went with 1000 in case I add bigger GPUs)... is to get Gold or better rating so you dont bleed too much energy in waste. I dont know the details, but the higher rating apparently translates to less energy costs.

I wish AMD would add support for Thunderbolt 3 already. It is the one thing they seem to lack support for, and its been over a year since TR.. I read that they would support it by end of 2017.. still seems like nothing in sight. I have yet to find any PCIe add on cards that add TB3 support, but I bought a dock for TB3 and cant even use it except on a work mac laptop which I have no interest in using it with.

On the bit of what Power supply.. only thing I would say besides enough power (which 650w seems OK but I went with 1000 in case I add bigger GPUs)... is to get Gold or better rating so you dont bleed too much energy in waste. I dont know the details, but the higher rating apparently translates to less energy costs.

Where do you need TB3 for when you can have 100 Gbit/s Ethernet and why buy dock for TB3 when there is no official for your computer?

Where do you need TB3 for when you can have 100 Gbit/s Ethernet and why buy dock for TB3 when there is no official for your computer?

First off.. last time I checked 10Gb/s was not very affordable. 100?? Where are you getting those speeds? Plus, even with that sort of speed, an affordable NAS in the $1K rand has 2 to 4 1Gb ports at best.. not even 10.. so even if you could use 4 of those 1Gb/s ports and figure out how to pipe data from your PC to all 4 of them to your NAS (and back), it is a LOT slower than 40Gb/s TB3. What am I missing?

I built a I7 6700K intel machine a couple years ago with a TB3 motherboard.. correction.. was upgradable to TB3 support, which I ended up selling the system before I ever got upgrade, but bought the OWC dock at that time to be ready. I had planned on purchasing a 4 drive RAID TB3 setup.. but when I switched to ThreadRipper.. without support.. well here I am still hoping one day they will support it soon. With TR2 and Ryzen2, I dont know what the hold up is. I read/hear it has to do with licensing.. and/or Intel wont license it to AMD.. which I would have thought was not allowed. So not sure at this point what the hold up is.

But in lieu of that, I was hoping somebody would have put out a PCIe TB3 card to add in to any computer. I suspect it would be $100+ to purchase that card.. but it had solid windows 10 drivers, I would be willing.

In the meantime I am using a USB 3.1 gen 2 docking station with dual SSDs and getting around 880MB/s read and 780MB/s writes. Which is good for 4K, but may not work so well for 8K. Not that I am doing any sort of 8K work at this point.

Hi.

I tried to look at the two motherboards you are considering. I don't know if it is to late?

First:

Gigabyte X399 Aorus Xtreme - 442,45 € in Germany. But it have a 10G bit lan.

https://www.amazon.com/product-reviews/ ... ewpoints=0

28% have only a 1 Star customer review

A link with more information:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13206/gi ... rus-xtreme


Then I looked at the BIOS updates. I is a new motherboard. I find it to be OK.

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/X3 ... rt-dl-bios

And finally I looked at the Memory Support List. It have 3 different for 2950X CPU, 2990WX CPU and AMD 1st Gen:

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/X3 ... upport-doc

I only find a hand full that I will like to buy myself in the 2990WX list, when it have to be 4 channel and at least DDR4-3200. I don't know which you can buy in Poland?



Then:

MSI X399 Gaming Pro Carbon AC - 347,11 € in Germany.

22% have a 1 star customer review

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ms ... ,5307.html

CONS: Slight performance hiccups, Slightly more expensive

Then I looked at the BIOS updates. I find them to be OK.

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support ... -CARBON-AC

And finally I looked it the Tested memory list. Again the are 3 different.

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support ... upport-cpu

For the WX serie it shows 12 different G.Skills DDR4-3200, but all are only for 4x8GB for a total of 32 GB ram. I don't know how much Ram you are planning to have?


I don't like the high 1 star rating for either in the Amazon.com customer reviews. But I expect you will buy your X399 motherboard from a Polish dealer with a good warranty and not from the cheapest?

But I feel, that you may be is trying to buy after what I will call 'paper' specifications. I am not sure, but I think your two choices is different from what others are buying. But of cause most of the others want to use it for gaming.

Regards Carsten.

Thanks Carsten.

As to the RAM I'm buying it's this one: https://www.morele.net/pamiec-g-skill-t ... tz-858856/ - is it OK, do you think?

Yes, the retailer I'm buying from (who also will assemble my machine) is a renowned one.

But frankly, I still don't know whether or not, in your expert opinion, the new Gigabyte X399 Aorus Xtreme is worth the Euro 100 price difference above the MSI X399 Carbon AC motherboard I asked the retailer to put assembling my machine on hold, and promised I'd make up my mind between those two boards by Monday - in the meantime I'm searching the Internet, but there is not much info about this new Gigabyte board other than what can be read on the product page at Gigabyte...

Thanks,

Piotr

Hi.

I checked the RAM you your link with the 'Die ultimative HARDWARELUXX Samsung 8Gbit B-Die Liste'

https://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/f ... 61530.html

F4-3200C14Q-64GTZ with a 'Ja'

Yes. It is a Samsung B-die, one I also will want to buy some day.


As I see it is, what you get for the 100€ a 10G bit lan. I don't know if you need it?
I think it will depend on you current and future Harddisk system.

Do you have any kind of Shared storage?
Or are all you harddisk drives internal in you desktop?

To use a 10G bit controller on the motherboard You will also properly need a router or switch with at least two 10-G bit ports. And an another device also with a 10G bit port, properly a NAS or other kind of shared disks.

If you don't have, or plan to get 10G bit in the next few years, can't I see any reason to buy a motherboard with one now. As you always later can buy a separate PCI add in card with a 10G bit port, if you have a spare PCI slot.

Regards Carsten.

Thank you very much for the analysis you did for me, Carsten.

I don't think the 10G Ethernet is something I will need, so I'll probably stay withe the MSI Carbon AC board I selected earlier.

Best Regards

Piotr

...In the meantime I am using a USB 3.1 gen 2 docking station with dual SSDs and getting around 880MB/s read and 780MB/s writes. Which is good for 4K, but may not work so well for 8K. Not that I am doing any sort of 8K work at this point.

Greetings, Misha. What brand and model number is that Thunderbolt 3.1 gen 2 docking station you have connected external SSD (RAID 0?) media drives to?


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To everyone who wouldn't mind answering one more, hopefully last, question before I finally chose the MSI Carbon AC over the Gigabyte Aorus motherboard:

- which of those 2 Manufacturers is generally considered the higher quality one?

Because you see - the 10Gb LAN isn't worth Euro 100 for me (don't have, or don't plan to have, any other infrastructure that would enable me to take advantage of it), so the only factor left is the expected quality of the board I finally buy. TIA!

Piotr

PS. What is intriguing in the Gigabyte X399 Aorus Xtreme is the dual fan, active cooling of the MOSFET heatsink, with the VRM temperature sensor cleverly located near the hottest, 1st & 2nd phase MOSFET. On the other hand, the VRM cooling on the MSI X399 Carbon AC is a high, large surface fins heatsink which - while cooled passively by default - has an option to accept a small fan with user's mod. Which solution do you guys like better?

Greetings, Misha. What brand and model number is that Thunderbolt 3.1 gen 2 docking station you have connected external SSD (RAID 0?) media drives to?


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Hi Peter, it's USB3.1 Gen 2 (10 gbit/s) and as long Thunderbolt is not supported by more than 1 supplier we are not going to use Thunderbolt.

The usb 3.1 gen2 docking station is the Highpoint RocketStor 3112C

Meant to reply.. Mischa got it right. Rocketstar. Thing is awesome.. though not super cheap but well built. Well worth it if you got a pair of SSDs and you use in RAID 0.. I use them for source footage/renders during a project. So if the raid busts.. I dont lose anything I dont have backed up. My purpose was larger drive faster speed. I also have another USB 3.1 gen 2 enclosure for 3.5" HDs that works very well but not quite as fast as the SSDs. Also have a cheapy $30 external dock for single drives that again works well enough to swap HDs as needed.

Meant to reply.. Mischa got it right. Rocketstar. Thing is awesome.. though not super cheap but well built. Well worth it if you got a pair of SSDs and you use in RAID 0.. I use them for source footage/renders during a project. So if the raid busts.. I dont lose anything I dont have backed up. My purpose was larger drive faster speed. I also have another USB 3.1 gen 2 enclosure for 3.5" HDs that works very well but not quite as fast as the SSDs. Also have a cheapy $30 external dock for single drives that again works well enough to swap HDs as needed.

Thanks you Guys!

Misha and Justin,

1) What model Rocketstar are you Guys referencing (Looking for a model number, please)

2) Justin, kindly explain clearly, how you have arranged your peripheral drives, so that if the RAID 0 array bursts, you *still* have your content intact. You were not clear on that, to my puny mind. <-[Re]Pete

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Misha and Justin,

1) What model Rocketstar are you Guys referencing (Looking for a model number, please)

2) Justin, kindly explain clearly, how you have arranged your peripheral drives, so that if the RAID 0 array bursts, you *still* have your content intact. You were not clear on that, to my puny mind. <-[Re]Pete

1) My apologies.. I actually had the RocketStor too.. but gave it to a person I sold a computer to.. the one I had was e-sata.. not the updated USB 3.1 gen 2. I dont have a link to it..but you can find it on amazon or google for the model Misha gave.. RS3112C. I had issues with the e-sata version and Windows 10.. but I suspect the USB 3.1 gen 2 works fine. I actually bought the Atech Flash Technology Blackjet VX-2SSD USB 3.1 Gen 2 Type-C RAID Enclosure. It was more expensive than the RocketStor and is strictly for SATA 3 2.5" SSDs (though I bet the 2.5" hybrid hdd/ssd drives would work.. though they may not fit right as they are small). If you get the Blackjet.. there is a switch on the back to set it to RAID 0, RAID 1 or JBOD (default out of box). You set it to RAID 0, then press/hold the SET button and it changes to that. Insert your identical SSDs and you are off. I have 2 x 2TB Crucial MX-500 SSDs. Very good drives!

2) Quite simply.. I have a NAS setup at home.. so when I get home from a recording, I auto-copy (well.. I should.. dont have that set up just right yet but eventually will) the video/audio from my SSD/SD/whatever medium.. to my NAS drive. It takes a long time when I record in DNxHR 4K.. 300GB or so for an hour of video.. so it takes a bit of time over my 1Gb network. But.. when I am ready to work on a project, I will usually copy the source footage to my raid 0 SSD setup (or even my raid 0 HDD setup). Again this takes some time.. but once it is on the SSD/HDD, it is much faster to work with. So.. as you probably know by now.. if my raid 0 bursts.. all of that data is lost.. but my original footage is still on the NAS. I may lose a project file though.. so what I plan on doing soon is using either a flash drive or secondary SSD drive for a 2nd backup of project files (e.g. the Resolve/Fusion project files, not the source footage). They are typically small enough that they are fast to read/write.

Piotr - Are you up and running yet? How's performance? What was you final hardware config and approximate cost.

Just for interest I am starting to get the pieces for my Threadripper build and have the Gigabyte Designare EX board which does have an on board Thunderbolt connector next to the SATA connectors on the back of the board. No reference in the manual to this connector that is on the board though. Maybe some time in the future when Intel approve this will be come active with bios update.

Word of caution on the TR4 socket: be very very careful with the pins. They are fragile.

Yesterday I attempted and failed to build a 2950X system on the very expensive MSI MEG X399 Creation board and found that the system failed to POST with any DIMM in slots C1 or C2. All other slots worked fine, and the system overall was stable as long as nothing populated C1 or C2.

As I was disassembling everything to process an RMA request, I discovered a single bent pin which is almost certainly the cause. I've build many systems in my day (at least 20) and have never bent a pin with either PGA CPUs or LGA sockets. To be honest, I'm still not entirely sure this is my fault, because I'm extremely careful, followed the instructions to the letter, and the installation went smoothly with nothing needing to be forced, everything felt solid. And yet:

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In spite of my experience, in my excitement I failed to visually inspect the board before installation. So I can't say for certain this isn't my fault.

That singular pin looks almost correctable, it's practically inviting me to try to bend it back into place. But I don't dare before trying the RMA. If the RMA is rejected, then I've nothing to lose but to try, but there's a very real chance I'll make matters worse and piss away $750 CAD on the most expensive motherboard I've ever bought by a considerable margin. That would be a sad day.

The photo makes it obvious, but it must be stressed just how tiny those pins are. In fact, from the naked eye, I could only see the light catching the pins in a nonuniform way. My 40-year-old eyes couldn't actually focus enough to resolve the pins enough to see them individually. That photo required a 450mm (well, 300mm with a 1.5x crop sensor) lens held 1m away to make it obvious there was a bent pin.

So, cautionary tale folks.

TR1950x was fairly easy.. though the order in which you tighten the 3 screws of the CPU mount is important.. forget what it was now, but Linus Tech Tips has a good video on it.

@SkierEvans. Sadly.. I have that exact m/b, and no support is planned for TB3 for AMD platform as far as I know. Really sucks. I wanted to set up a 4 bay TB3 RAID system. Looks like our only hope if for USB 3.2 at 20Gbps in the not too far off future, but still not now. I will say though.. that the USB 3.1Gen2 is pretty fast.. 2 SSDs in RAID 0 running at 800+MB/s write speeds is still very good.