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Radeon Vega 64 or GTX 1080 TI?

PostTue Oct 02, 2018 7:48 pm

As xmas is coming pretty soon this year (o;

Which card would give a higher performance in DRS 15? The AMD Vega 64 or the GTX1080 TI?
Just asking as Nvidia hasn't released any web drivers for Mojave yet..nor any signs they will do so...
so currently running a GTX1060 on a H270-Pro4 motherboard...

The only GPU performance comparisons I could found was 99.999% for playing games...(o;

The Vega 64 has more shaders but only comes at 8GByte of VRAM....though has native macOS support...so guess dual GPU would be of a lesser problem than with RTX...
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Re: Radeon Vega 64 or GTX 1080 TI?

PostTue Oct 02, 2018 7:59 pm

davorin wrote:As xmas is coming pretty soon this year (o;

Which card would give a higher performance in DRS 15? The AMD Vega 64 or the GTX1080 TI?
Just asking as Nvidia hasn't released any web drivers for Mojave yet..nor any signs they will do so...
so currently running a GTX1060 on a H270-Pro4 motherboard...

The only GPU performance comparisons I could found was 99.999% for playing games...(o;

The Vega 64 has more shaders but only comes at 8GByte of VRAM....though has native macOS support...so guess dual GPU would be of a lesser problem than with RTX...


As usual it depends

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/DaVinci-Resolve-15-NVIDIA-GeForce-RTX-2080-2080-Ti-Performance-1238/

VEGA doesn't run out of memory because of High-Bandwidth-Cache-memoryController.

VEGA FE would be a better choice (16GByte, 10 bits color overlay in OpenCL, professional drivers) when doing a lot of 8k work, but is more expensive $999
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Re: Radeon Vega 64 or GTX 1080 TI?

PostTue Oct 02, 2018 8:13 pm

Well Vegas are attractive as their prices came down continuously...whereas GTX prices stay high due to high crypto mining demands...

I haven't seen anyone running a RTX2080 on his mac build as the drivers are not up to date...
but the Vega FE seems a nice choice as it is directly compatible with macOS 10.4.x

Thanks for the pointer though...last time I checked there wasn't any RTX mentioned (o;


Any other hackintosh users here or want to install macOS since the Linux version has more bugs?
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Re: Radeon Vega 64 or GTX 1080 TI?

PostTue Oct 02, 2018 8:32 pm

davorin wrote:Well Vegas are attractive as their prices came down continuously...whereas GTX prices stay high due to high crypto mining demands...

I haven't seen anyone running a RTX2080 on his mac build as the drivers are not up to date...
but the Vega FE seems a nice choice as it is directly compatible with macOS 10.4.x

Thanks for the pointer though...last time I checked there wasn't any RTX mentioned (o;


Any other hackintosh users here or want to install macOS since the Linux version has more bugs?


RTX2080(ti) doesn't work on MacOS(nor hackintosh), I know one who got 4 RTX2080ti's and he can't get them to work, he tried dual-boot(windows and MacOS) every possible driver etc...
Apple is doing everything in their power to not make it work with NVidia cards.
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Re: Radeon Vega 64 or GTX 1080 TI?

PostTue Oct 02, 2018 8:39 pm

Well I am aware of that as the last drivers from Nvidia are for macOS 10.13.6...

So a future version of DRS will have special RTX support only on Windows and Linux then (o;

So far I'll stick with 10.13.6 and wait until a new buyers guide will be published...
or a miracle will happen and the Linux version finally works when 17.1.2 is released ;-)


Hmm..Frontier Edition of Vega is unavailable in my country....guess it will be a single or dual Vega 64 then on a X299 motherboard ;-)
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Re: Radeon Vega 64 or GTX 1080 TI?

PostTue Oct 02, 2018 9:04 pm

davorin wrote: Hmm..Frontier Edition of Vega is unavailable in my country....


Hi.

I don't know where you live?
But I will like to tell you that there are two different versions of AMD VEGA Frontier Edition (FE) Graphics cards with 16 GB. One is Air cooled and the other is Liquid cooled. I expect that the Liquid cooled version is the best for use with Resolve?
Here is a link to some brand new Liquid cooled ones, and the seller ships to many other countries:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/AMD-Radeon-Veg ... Sw2ytbnAvL

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Re: Radeon Vega 64 or GTX 1080 TI?

PostFri Oct 05, 2018 10:32 am

Well the only problem is then the import taxes to Switzerland...so it comes in the end to the same price as a RTX2080 TI (o;

Hmm...a little unsure now if I should really go the Radeon road....tonymacx86.com states:

As of macOS High Sierra 10.13.4, Apple has added support for the following AMD graphics cards. Please note these cards have only very recently become officially supported and may be more complicated to configure than NVIDIA graphics cards.
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Re: Radeon Vega 64 or GTX 1080 TI?

PostFri Oct 05, 2018 3:03 pm

davorin wrote:Well the only problem is then the import taxes to Switzerland...so it comes in the end to the same price as a RTX2080 TI (o;

Hmm...a little unsure now if I should really go the Radeon road....tonymacx86.com states:

As of macOS High Sierra 10.13.4, Apple has added support for the following AMD graphics cards. Please note these cards have only very recently become officially supported and may be more complicated to configure than NVIDIA graphics cards.


Look at the apple website which cards are supported. Apple only uses AMD cards these days.

Otherwise, just buy a RTX2080ti or GTX1080ti and see if it works.
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Re: Radeon Vega 64 or GTX 1080 TI?

PostFri Oct 05, 2018 7:23 pm

random question: which is the amd equivalent of the 1060/6gb ?
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Re: Radeon Vega 64 or GTX 1080 TI?

PostFri Oct 05, 2018 7:26 pm

I would say something like a RX570/580:

http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nv ... 3639vs3923
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Re: Radeon Vega 64 or GTX 1080 TI?

PostFri Oct 05, 2018 7:54 pm

waltervolpatto wrote:random question: which is the amd equivalent of the 1060/6gb ?


compute wise:

GTX1060 6 GB

Cores : TMUs : ROPs 1280 : 80 : 48
Base Clock 1506 MHz
Boost Clock 1708 MHz
Memory Clock (Effective) 2000 (8000) MHz
Computing Power (FP32) 3.855 TFLOPS (base clock) 4.372 TFLOPS (boost clock)
Memory Size 6144 MB GDDR5
Memory Bus Width 192-bit
Memory Bandwidth 192 GB/s

RX570 4 or 8GB

Cores : TMUs : ROPs 2048 : 128 : 32
Base Clock 1168 MHz
Boost Clock 1244 MHz
Memory Clock (Effective) 1750 (7000) MHz
Computing Power (FP32) 4.784 TFLOPS (base clock) 5.095 TFLOPS (boost clock)
Memory Size 4096 or 8192 MB GDDR5
Memory Bus Width 256-bit
Memory Bandwidth 224 GB/s
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Re: Radeon Vega 64 or GTX 1080 TI?

PostFri Oct 05, 2018 8:10 pm

From my experience the GTX1060 feels to slow....had it running first on Linux...but moved it to my Hackintosh as the Linux version will not be fixed in the coming months or at all...

Also I noted that somehow since version 15.1.x GPU is almost not used in Fusion...there is also no CPU Fusion option anymore...

For macOS Radeon seems a must as most software rely on it...otoh there are other software which only makes use of a Nvidia GPU like octane or luxcore renderer...

I will decide by end of the year if it's gonna be Radeon Vega or GTX1080 TI, depending on available Mojave drivers for GTX or better price.
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Re: Radeon Vega 64 or GTX 1080 TI?

PostFri Oct 05, 2018 10:29 pm

I think that at the end of the year you'll have other options from AMD.
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Re: Radeon Vega 64 or GTX 1080 TI?

PostSat Oct 06, 2018 6:57 am

I would rather prefer a price drop....it would take anyway some time until Apple would adapt to newer AMD hardware...
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Re: Radeon Vega 64 or GTX 1080 TI?

PostSun Oct 07, 2018 12:08 am

If anybody has the ability to try both, I'd like to know that answer too. I just got a 1080 Ti, because I didn't want the noisy Radeon (Pro Duo or WX 7100) in my system. As of yet the vegas are not in the DR config guide. For the card I went with, I didn't spend all that much more than a Vega 64 anyway.
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Re: Radeon Vega 64 or GTX 1080 TI?

PostThu Oct 11, 2018 9:04 pm

Ordered also now a GTX1080 Ti for my system where I wiped Debian and installed macOS 10.13.6...

Decision was more based because I also use 3D render software like LuxCore and testing Octane...
and most 3D render support more Nvidia than AMD....

Only downside: There is, or never will be, nvenc for macOS ;-)
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Re: Radeon Vega 64 or GTX 1080 TI?

PostSat Oct 13, 2018 12:21 pm

Got now a GTX1080 TI installed on my macOS machine...

When adding a simple call out in Fusion the playback performance is around 2fps though the timeline shows a blue line marking it is pre rendered...

What do I need for 30fps performance? 15 GPUs???
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Re: Radeon Vega 64 or GTX 1080 TI?

PostSat Oct 13, 2018 12:35 pm

Hey Richard
I'm not experienced enough with Fusion to know what speeds you should be looking... but still, it might be worth checking the DaVinci Resolve > Preferences window >> Configuration tab ... make sure its seeing and using that GTX 1080 Ti GPU. Maybe check the different GPU processing modes too (same window), see which gives you best performance.

EDIT: Just saw your other thread ... looks like you tried all that already. Sorry.

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Re: Radeon Vega 64 or GTX 1080 TI?

PostSat Oct 13, 2018 2:43 pm

davorin wrote:Got now a GTX1080 TI installed on my macOS machine...

When adding a simple call out in Fusion the playback performance is around 2fps though the timeline shows a blue line marking it is pre rendered...

What do I need for 30fps performance? 15 GPUs???

where is your cache saved and which file format it is? It seems to me a cache speed issue.
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Re: Radeon Vega 64 or GTX 1080 TI?

PostSat Oct 13, 2018 2:53 pm

Well one side it might be cache....

In the project settings it just shows "CacheClip" and not the absolute path....so I changed it...
but still around 0.5 - 2fps playback for a 1080p24 video..

For for the GPU....it isn't used at all....either macOS 10.13.6 Nvidia driver issue or the faked machine settings are telling DRS that this machine can't have a GTX1080 at all (o;
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Re: Radeon Vega 64 or GTX 1080 TI?

PostSat Oct 13, 2018 3:17 pm

In not sure which is your issue: if a clip is blue, it means that it is cached therefore the gpu will have little or no work to do.

If a cached file does not play, it is the driver where the cache it is saved that's too slow.
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Re: Radeon Vega 64 or GTX 1080 TI?

PostSat Oct 13, 2018 3:20 pm

Well I have two NMVe SSD, a 960 and a 970 from Samsung...and checked with Blackmagics Speed Test software...write around 1800MB/secs and read around 2300MB/secs...
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Re: Radeon Vega 64 or GTX 1080 TI?

PostSat Oct 13, 2018 3:31 pm

K, set your cache on for a random shot, put a ofx in it, wait until it's blue: does it plays?
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