Do not use 15.2!!!

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Re: Do not use 15.2!!!

PostFri Nov 16, 2018 2:29 pm

John Paines wrote:I'm not sure, but there has got to be more you can say. I'm curious/worried myself about your report, but you've offered so little to go on. Do you use third party vst plugins? Native plugins? Particular audio fx? What kind of glitches? Any suspected correlations?


Project was shot on RED and Black Magic cameras. All footage was RAW.
6 Audio tracks in total.
VST used was only Izotope's Neutron on the M1 track.
Fairlight FX used was Vocal Channel on the dialogue track.

Audio glitches were:
1) momentary (less than 800ms) loss of audio in some channel's stereo tracks. Left channel was usually the offender.
2) momentary (less than 500ms) audio distortion where they shouldn't be any.

There is only one suspected correlation. Like i said, Fusion Clips. Whenever a clip with Fusion work rests on the timeline i have to pray before exporting that the file will be rendered error-free. Usually it takes 4 to 5 times to render this TV commercial correctly. Problems can be:

1) A random GPU Error. Render will not finish
2) Audio glitch (as mentioned above)
3) One of the Fusion clips will have random frames as black
4) One of the Fusion clips will have some frames out of sequence


All the above are randomly happening without a single change in the timeline or render settings. And then, for no obvious reason, it can render correctly. This is the definition of instability.

With the opportunity of writing this post i would like to mention an infuriating thing related to this discussion. People who appear out of nowhere in threads like this saying "Everything is working perfectly in my system" who obviously touch nothing else beyond the Edit and Color tabs.

Guys, you are irrelevant to discussions like this and contribute NOTHING towards any form of solution. You are not helping anyone. Stay out of it.
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Re: Do not use 15.2!!!

PostFri Nov 16, 2018 2:57 pm

Miltos Pilalitos wrote:[
VST used was only Izotope's Neutron on the M1 track.
Fairlight FX used was Vocal Channel on the dialogue track.

Audio glitches were:
1) momentary (less than 800ms) loss of audio in some channel's stereo tracks. Left channel was usually the offender.
2) momentary (less than 500ms) audio distortion where they shouldn't be any.


Fusion aside, Izotope plugins often cause audio glitches on renders, even on very simple and far less processor-demanding projects than the one you've detailed here. Might be worth at least trying?
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Re: Do not use 15.2!!!

PostFri Nov 16, 2018 3:13 pm

Miltos Pilalitos wrote:With the opportunity of writing this post i would like to mention an infuriating thing related to this discussion. People who appear out of nowhere in threads like this saying "Everything is working perfectly in my system" who obviously touch nothing else beyond the Edit and Color tabs.

Guys, you are irrelevant to discussions like this and contribute NOTHING towards any form of solution. You are not helping anyone. Stay out of it.


Anyone who addressed specific issues to report they work fine are adding something as long as they provide system specs, it helps people (BMD included) know how widespread a problem is.

Anyone who says all is well but doesn't provide system specs is adding as much as those who simply post about crashes and instability without providing specs themselves (such as the OP to this thread, as it happens, though at least they go into more detail in a subsequent post). I note that you do not direct any of your frustration towards the latter people though.

It will do no good to only have those experiencing problems to post on this forum otherwise anyone would think Resolve is the most buggy piece of software out there.
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Re: Do not use 15.2!!!

PostFri Nov 16, 2018 3:15 pm

John Paines wrote:Fusion aside, Izotope plugins often cause audio glitches on renders, even on very simple and far less processor-demanding projects than the one you've detailed here. Might be worth at least trying?


Besides the fact that Neutron is a simple balancing/compression VST with next to zero processor footprint, it was the first thing i disabled when i tried to troubleshoot the issue.

It didn't make any difference whatsoever.
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Re: Do not use 15.2!!!

PostFri Nov 16, 2018 3:18 pm

Kerry Garrison wrote:So, is my original post overstated?


As it's working fine for me, yes, I believe it is.
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Re: Do not use 15.2!!!

PostFri Nov 16, 2018 3:22 pm

Peter Benson wrote:System specs Jim?


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Re: Do not use 15.2!!!

PostFri Nov 16, 2018 3:27 pm

RCModelReviews wrote:a bug-tracking system would be incredibly useful for *everyone*, users and BMD alike.


Adobe recently moved to the User Voice system.

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Re: Do not use 15.2!!!

PostFri Nov 16, 2018 3:30 pm

Adrian Niwa wrote:Fusion inside Resolve unusable.


I used it yesterday on a couple dozen clips without issue. This may be too broad a statement.
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Re: Do not use 15.2!!!

PostFri Nov 16, 2018 3:32 pm

Tom Early wrote:I'd stay away from Windows 10


That's the best version to use, and I've not had any issues using it. So I think this may be drastically overstated.
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Re: Do not use 15.2!!!

PostFri Nov 16, 2018 3:37 pm

Miltos Pilalitos wrote:Guys, you are irrelevant to discussions like this and contribute NOTHING towards any form of solution. You are not helping anyone. Stay out of it.


I think you're missing the point here, that the warning in the thread's title is too broad. Many have it working just fine. So those who don't need to qualify their complaints with details, as you have (finally) done.
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Re: Do not use 15.2!!!

PostFri Nov 16, 2018 5:01 pm

I can't turn on my computer.
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Re: Do not use 15.2!!!

PostFri Nov 16, 2018 5:06 pm

what everyone is basically saying is COMMON BLACKMAGIC test your software before releasing to the public, many of us make a living with resolve and you're wasting our time when you release software that's clearly a BETA version!!!!
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Re: Do not use 15.2!!!

PostFri Nov 16, 2018 5:10 pm

Peter Benson wrote:Strange to me is the number of reports of Resolve 15.2 problems, with absolutely no context given, regarding what computer platform is in use, let alone the lack of providing other host computer system specs.


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Re: Do not use 15.2!!!

PostFri Nov 16, 2018 5:14 pm

Three exclamation points? What is this a YouTube thumbnail?

15.2 works wonderfully.

All but HEVC 10-bit exports on macOS Mojave 10.14 (see sig for specs). These still hang upon encoding.
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Re: Do not use 15.2!!!

PostFri Nov 16, 2018 5:15 pm

Mark Grgurev wrote:At this point you have yet to even state something as basic as your OS. What use is this post if BMD doesn't know what conditions cause said issues?


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Re: Do not use 15.2!!!

PostFri Nov 16, 2018 5:33 pm

Adrian Niwa wrote:Do your Fusion comps display alpha in timeline? Or is alpha exchanged for black?

Adrian Niwa wrote:So please stop talking about overstatements.


Thank you for providing a link for your source clip (a few seconds)? it is to test.
I have never had an issue with the alpha but it may be a special source? :)
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Re: Do not use 15.2!!!

PostFri Nov 16, 2018 5:40 pm

Manuel López wrote:Surely many problems are given by using basic equipment not suitable for a program of this power. .


1) Many -- actually most problems are irresponsibly posted with no hardware specs noted at all.

2) BMD clearly indicates in its Configuration Guide, what computer hardware runs favorably on Resolve, and to that end, BMD most certainly is not promoting Resolve as if it's low-end computer system compatible.


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Re: Do not use 15.2!!!

PostFri Nov 16, 2018 5:49 pm

Jean Claude wrote:Thank you for providing a link for your source clip (a few seconds)? it is to test.
I have never had an issue with the alpha but it may be a special source? :)


In 15.2 put any footage into timeline.
On a track above this footage create Fusion comp.
Inside Fusion comp create a Background node with RGB values at 0;0;0;0 - meaning it's totally transparent.
Go back to timeline.

What I see (saw - had to revert to 15.1.2) was black footage instead of transparent footage.

I had like 10 compositions created in 15.1.2 with some areas being transparent and they all became black just after installing 15.2.

And maybe you didn't have an issue with alpha but it doesn't mean there has been none. In beta release we had a similar problem I remember.
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Re: Do not use 15.2!!!

PostFri Nov 16, 2018 5:50 pm

Greg White wrote:what everyone is basically saying is COMMON BLACKMAGIC test your software before releasing to the public, many of us make a living with resolve and you're wasting our time when you release software that's clearly a BETA version!!!!
That's an ill-informed accusation.
What the fair-minded among us are *actually* saying is, that where there are issues, those users have *got* to facilitate i.e , aid BMD with helpful information about what OS and complete system config they're using -- with diagnostic log available via the HELP Menu; not just stating the problem they're experiencing.

Else, how can BMD duplicate the problem on their properly-configured machines?

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Re: Do not use 15.2!!!

PostFri Nov 16, 2018 5:59 pm

I agree but I think BMD does itself a disservice by not having a bug reporting portal that also allows for uploading log files. A guided reporting mechanism that enforces inclusion of details such as hardware, drivers, OS version, media format, project format plus ability to upload media samples, project and logs.
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Re: Do not use 15.2!!!

PostFri Nov 16, 2018 6:29 pm

Jim Simon wrote:
Adrian Niwa wrote:Fusion inside Resolve unusable.


I used it yesterday on a couple dozen clips without issue. This may be too broad a statement.


I'm interested to know your workflow for using ResolveFusion, I've never been able to maintain Edit-page smooth playback :)

Are you using the saver nodes to push footage back to the Edit page?


Thanks.
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Re: Do not use 15.2!!!

PostFri Nov 16, 2018 6:35 pm

Rob Smith wrote:I'm interested to know your workflow for using ResolveFusion, I've never been able to maintain Edit-page smooth playback :)


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Re: Do not use 15.2!!!

PostFri Nov 16, 2018 6:39 pm

Jim Simon wrote:
Tom Early wrote:I'd stay away from Windows 10


That's the best version to use, and I've not had any issues using it. So I think this may be drastically overstated.


Just going to ignore the rest of that paragraph are you?
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Re: Do not use 15.2!!!

PostFri Nov 16, 2018 6:39 pm

Adrian Niwa wrote:
Jean Claude wrote:Thank you for providing a link for your source clip (a few seconds)? it is to test.
I have never had an issue with the alpha but it may be a special source? :)


In 15.2 put any footage into timeline.
On a track above this footage create Fusion comp.
Inside Fusion comp create a Background node with RGB values at 0;0;0;0 - meaning it's totally transparent.
Go back to timeline.

What I see (saw - had to revert to 15.1.2) was black footage instead of transparent footage.

I had like 10 compositions created in 15.1.2 with some areas being transparent and they all became black just after installing 15.2.

And maybe you didn't have an issue with alpha but it doesn't mean there has been none. In beta release we had a similar problem I remember.


Please confirm if you are waiting? If not => share your project and sources.. :)

track 1 : a clip
track2 : a color bar in a compound clip

Step_1_2.jpg


Click clip track 2 => goto Fusion Tab

Add Background node with RGB values at 0;0;0;0 on mediaIn (Sure? add Merge?)
and add ChromaKeyer for remove some color and some black

Step_3_4.jpg


return to Edit Tab :
Step_5.jpg
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Re: Do not use 15.2!!!

PostFri Nov 16, 2018 6:53 pm

Peter Benson wrote:
Greg White wrote:what everyone is basically saying is COMMON BLACKMAGIC test your software before releasing to the public, many of us make a living with resolve and you're wasting our time when you release software that's clearly a BETA version!!!!
That's an ill-informed accusation.
What the fair-minded among us are *actually* saying is, that where there are issues, those users have *got* to facilitate i.e , aid BMD with helpful information about what OS and complete system config they're using -- with diagnostic log available via the HELP Menu; not just stating the problem they're experiencing.

Else, how can BMD duplicate the problem on their properly-configured machines?

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ill-informed? no, my quote is a broad statement. i get it but I come from a time when DaVinci systems released an update it worked, the Blackmagic days are much different. I had a system built to resolves spect so i would not have to deal with major bugs like when exporting it gets to 99% then crashes, looks great when you have clients in your studio. many other colorists with built systems have had this same issue. logic says follow config guide you won't have major issues but that's not reality. all im saying is very simple, please spend more time debugging and testing.
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Re: Do not use 15.2!!!

PostFri Nov 16, 2018 7:17 pm

Jean Claude wrote:track 1 : a clip
track2 : a color bar in a compound clip


If you really don't know how to set up a simple composition inside Resolve (I mean a simple one, cause you can handle those massive wicked crazy geeky stuff - that's for sure), I can make a tutorial for you. No probs.

First image - FuComposition
Seccond image - 15.1.2 Timeline
Third image - 15.2 Timeline

EDIT (order is in reverse)


Tell me if you need help with those images I'll write a proper explanation.
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Re: Do not use 15.2!!!

PostFri Nov 16, 2018 7:23 pm

Jean Claude wrote:Thank you for providing a link for your source clip (a few seconds)? it is to test.
I have never had an issue with the alpha but it may be a special source? :)


Oh and I'd forget.
There you go with some "real life footage" stuff.
Problem reported in 15.1.2 as other forum members say. Not fixed in 15.2

Do you need a source clip for this?

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Re: Do not use 15.2!!!

PostFri Nov 16, 2018 7:39 pm

Adrian Niwa wrote:
Jean Claude wrote:track 1 : a clip
track2 : a color bar in a compound clip


If you really don't know how to set up a simple composition inside Resolve (I mean a simple one, cause you can handle those massive wicked crazy geeky stuff - that's for sure), I can make a tutorial for you. No probs.

First image - FuComposition
Seccond image - 15.1.2 Timeline
Third image - 15.2 Timeline

EDIT (order is in reverse)


Tell me if you need help with those images I'll write a proper explanation.


I followed these instructions and I got a transparent comp in 15.2 just as you did in 15.1.2. Not a Fusion guy so don't know whether to speculate about whether it's a GFX processing issue or cache or something completely different.
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Re: Do not use 15.2!!!

PostFri Nov 16, 2018 7:44 pm

Tom Early wrote:I followed these instructions and I got a transparent comp in 15.2 just as you did in 15.1.2. Not a Fusion guy so don't know whether to speculate about whether it's a GFX processing issue or cache or something completely different.


Perfect. So now we know it's not an absolute problem.
It would be great though if BMD people got involved in discussion cause it looks like it's only users in the discussion.

If you ever used Octane Render and looked at how OTOY forum works you would understand. There are developers involved in the discussion. And those discussions are very helpful for both sides.

Here we are just free testers for silent development team which sometimes tells you that "you didn't put your specs into sig" :D
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Re: Do not use 15.2!!!

PostFri Nov 16, 2018 7:45 pm

Peter Benson wrote:1) Many -- actually most problems are irresponsibly posted with no hardware specs noted at all.

2) BMD clearly indicates in its Configuration Guide, what computer hardware runs favorably on Resolve, and to that end, BMD most certainly is not promoting Resolve as if it's low-end computer system compatible.


1) Yes, when you report a bug should be indicated the minimum data: OS, version, panel, hardware, etc.
2) Of course, the minimum specs for Resolve are public, but you don't wait that all people that use a software than easy for to get have a highend equipment.
I only point out the fact that possibly a lot of problems is by the use of non-optimal equipment.
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Re: Do not use 15.2!!!

PostFri Nov 16, 2018 7:50 pm

Blackmagic, any way to get A/C sort mode back to just one key again?
Also ctrl A doesn't select all clips when in color mode.
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Re: Do not use 15.2!!!

PostFri Nov 16, 2018 8:37 pm

Miltos Pilalitos wrote:
John Paines wrote:I'm not sure, but there has got to be more you can say. I'm curious/worried myself about your report, but you've offered so little to go on. Do you use third party vst plugins? Native plugins? Particular audio fx? What kind of glitches? Any suspected correlations?


Project was shot on RED and Black Magic cameras. All footage was RAW.
6 Audio tracks in total.
VST used was only Izotope's Neutron on the M1 track.
Fairlight FX used was Vocal Channel on the dialogue track.

Audio glitches were:
1) momentary (less than 800ms) loss of audio in some channel's stereo tracks. Left channel was usually the offender.
2) momentary (less than 500ms) audio distortion where they shouldn't be any.

There is only one suspected correlation. Like i said, Fusion Clips. Whenever a clip with Fusion work rests on the timeline i have to pray before exporting that the file will be rendered error-free. Usually it takes 4 to 5 times to render this TV commercial correctly. Problems can be:

1) A random GPU Error. Render will not finish
2) Audio glitch (as mentioned above)
3) One of the Fusion clips will have random frames as black
4) One of the Fusion clips will have some frames out of sequence


All the above are randomly happening without a single change in the timeline or render settings. And then, for no obvious reason, it can render correctly. This is the definition of instability.

With the opportunity of writing this post i would like to mention an infuriating thing related to this discussion. People who appear out of nowhere in threads like this saying "Everything is working perfectly in my system" who obviously touch nothing else beyond the Edit and Color tabs.

Guys, you are irrelevant to discussions like this and contribute NOTHING towards any form of solution. You are not helping anyone. Stay out of it.


I've also experienced some glitches with audio -- particularly when using timelines inside of timelines or compound clips. Also using Izotope plugins on a track (particularly Nectar 2 on vocal track and the vintage limiter/compressor on a master). So perhaps this is an issue when using VST or VST3 plugins at random times. I rendered the audio as a wav to replace the glitched audio from the initial render and it worked for now. However, it scares me a bit as I'm working on a 28:30 show and I'm scared there's other glitches hidden at random places.

The big problem I've had so far with 15.2 is it destroyed my fairlight music cross dissolves. I'm having to recreate them on a music track, and so far it's not working very well.

EDIT: I've gone back to 15.1.2.
I just couldn't get the cross dissolves to work properly in the song I had spliced together. Fairlight page refuses to function normally for dissolving when I overlap audio clips.

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Re: Do not use 15.2!!!

PostSat Nov 17, 2018 10:25 am

Adrian Niwa wrote:
Jean Claude wrote:track 1 : a clip
track2 : a color bar in a compound clip


If you really don't know how to set up a simple composition inside Resolve (I mean a simple one, cause you can handle those massive wicked crazy geeky stuff - that's for sure), I can make a tutorial for you. No probs.

First image - FuComposition
Seccond image - 15.1.2 Timeline
Third image - 15.2 Timeline

EDIT (order is in reverse)


Tell me if you need help with those images I'll write a proper explanation.


No Issue for Fusion composition with V15.2.0.033. Works like a charm. :)
And I do not have time to give you a lesson: RTFM :?

Share you fusion composition... ? Issue in ?

fusion composition.jpg


And with transparency on track 2
with keyer on track 2.jpg
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Re: Do not use 15.2!!!

PostSat Nov 17, 2018 1:15 pm

I would echo the previous comments... in terms of priority should always be on making the software more stable and fast. New features are great.. but I'd much prefer that the core functionality work better and that the program is just more stable. We need it to just be bulletproof.

I wouldn't go so far as to say don't use 15.2.. although it might just depend on how you use Resolve. I haven't recently used the Fairlight or Fusion rooms.. so I might be steering clear of possible bugs or issues.

I do think the software could certainly be tighten up when it comes to stability and that it just 'works'. More focus on the core functionality just working and working well. One minor comment would be regarding Collaborative workflows. I've found that area to be particularly buggy or not fully functioning. For example.. I am not always seeing the little person icon when someone else is in a bin. I know they are in the bin.. but there is no icon. And no little 'refresh' icons. When I do go into a bin where someone has been.. I often get the spinning beach ball for quite awhile. And eventually I get the updated bin. Just quite sluggish and stated functionality not quite working right.

But thanks to the team.. and I hope the focus does remain on making sure the software stays really stable and reliable. I know I use another piece of software from another company, and they have lost all focus on stability and reliability. I use it as little as I possibly can.

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Re: Do not use 15.2!!!

PostSun Nov 18, 2018 1:53 am

Greg White wrote:i get it but I come from a time when DaVinci systems released an update it worked, the Blackmagic days are much different.

Small disagreement: I used daVinci Classic, 888, Renaissance, and 2K throughout the 1990s and 2000s, and they had all kinds of catastrophes. In particular, the 2K had some nightmarish updates that crashed like crazy. Any piece of software this complex is going to have teething problems. I'm not an apologist for BMD, but I think everybody needs to take a breath and know that the team is working as hard as they can to fix the bugs, and I would expect regular updates in the next few months, and I'm confident the program will eventually be stable.

I'm about to wrap a feature I've been working on all week in 15.2, and it's generally been good except for the little interface traps that everybody is stumbling over. In ever case, there's a workaround that can be used to keep going, so to me, it's not a deal killer. If anything, I've had fewer crashes with 15.2 than I did with 15.1, so in that respect it's more stable for me (OSX 10.13.5 on a 12-core Trashcan).
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Re: Do not use 15.2!!!

PostSun Nov 18, 2018 2:06 am

Marc Wielage wrote:but I think everybody needs to take a breath and know that the team is working as hard as they can to fix the bugs

Um... no, not if (as is obviously the case) a fair percentage of the development team are actually working on *new* features. When THOSE developers are also focused on fixing bugs, then your statement will be correct.

People are just expressing the hope that this will happen sooner rather than later.
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Re: Do not use 15.2!!!

PostSun Nov 18, 2018 6:15 am

Not just fixing bugs, though. Let users run multiple copies, add a bug reporter, add a bug tracker, add LTS/beta branches. Stuff like that will maintain quality/usability over the long term.
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Re: Do not use 15.2!!!

PostTue Nov 20, 2018 10:39 am

also switched back to 15.1

alot more crashes, wasnt able to finish my project which was not that complicated. just wanted to share this.

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dont really feel like uploading logs again, i feel like a beta-tester
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Re: Do not use 15.2!!!

PostWed Nov 21, 2018 7:49 am

Too much is broken in 15.2 (mac). We are back on 15.1.2.
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Re: Do not use 15.2!!!

PostWed Nov 21, 2018 12:07 pm

Hello !
I will dare to add my 2 cents into that very important topic .

By introducing new features you're introducing new bugs that need to be fixed every time
it causes problems when editing projects . It goes in endless bugfix loop :( .

Please! Do not release new features unless you have stable release .
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Re: Do not use 15.2!!!

PostWed Nov 21, 2018 12:13 pm

Valdo Rochas wrote:Please! Do not release new features unless you have stable release .

Yes, a stable release is much more important then new features! But you can't make profit with that slogan ;)
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Re: Do not use 15.2!!!

PostWed Nov 21, 2018 12:51 pm

As someone once said, new features are the biggest sales booster, by far. But with the pricing schema of Resolve, this is stretched into extremes. As only new users create any revenue, new releases with new features probably have much higher priority than stability. Only users with enough experience whine about stability, they know the history. Most new users don't know squat about that, people with buying plans don't lurk in this forum and read through this pile of topics on what works and what doesn't. Fairlight and Fusion were cannibalized to produce a steady stream of features (years of "we now support x percent of standalone feature set"), whether the users of Fa or Fu like it or not, nobody cares (silence from BMD side in Fusion forum is deafening).

I can't see this spiral end unless pricing schema is changed because in the end, for BMD this is just business and main objective is to keep the cash flowing. If existing users produce no cash, they are irrelevant in the development. For next NAB it will be great!
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Re: Do not use 15.2!!!

PostWed Nov 21, 2018 12:56 pm

It does look like most if not all of the people reporting these problems are using Windows?

In that case... what do you expect?

Is anyone seeing this problem on the Mac?
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Re: Do not use 15.2!!!

PostWed Nov 21, 2018 1:32 pm

Hello, everyone. Although I'm not advanced use yet, i got a couple issues on previous version reported to support that are NOT present on current version. What i'm doing to prevent any bad surprises is generating a new dra every day and keeping the last 3.

However, since i first started using Resolve 14 on Windows 10, i cannot choose bit rate strategy when exporting. It's always locked on constant bit rate.

According to support, those choices are only available for Mac users. Yesterday i replied complaining about it. I'm Studio since last month. In general, I'm satisfied, happy etc, but it should be the very same program for all OS.

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Re: Do not use 15.2!!!

PostWed Nov 21, 2018 1:55 pm

Hendrik Proosa wrote:As someone once said, new features are the biggest sales booster, by far. But with the pricing schema of Resolve, this is stretched into extremes. As only new users create any revenue, new releases with new features probably have much higher priority than stability. Only users with enough experience whine about stability, they know the history. Most new users don't know squat about that, people with buying plans don't lurk in this forum and read through this pile of topics on what works and what doesn't. Fairlight and Fusion were cannibalized to produce a steady stream of features (years of "we now support x percent of standalone feature set"), whether the users of Fa or Fu like it or not, nobody cares (silence from BMD side in Fusion forum is deafening).

I can't see this spiral end unless pricing schema is changed because in the end, for BMD this is just business and main objective is to keep the cash flowing. If existing users produce no cash, they are irrelevant in the development. For next NAB it will be great!


While i have to agree that this thought context would be enough to explain the situation for most traditional companies, it can't be applied to Black Magic Design. As a close observer i have realized that all bets are off when you are trying to second-guess BMD's busines models. They just don't act in the traditional way and no traditional business model seems to apply with them.

User-base expansion is definitely to their benefit but i don't think they plan it in the way you describe. They want to nurture a complete production ecosystem spanning both hardware and software. They know this will happen only if things work so they do listen to user feedback and they do try to fix what is not working even if they don't give this impression in the public forums.

The problem with Resolve is mostly evident in this current development time splice because they have added too many features too fast trying to cover too many needs so many aspects of the software are currently broken or not working properly.

Perhaps they didn't initially realize the complexity of what they are trying to achieve but now is the perfect time to reevaluate their schedule and refocus developer resources to where they are needed: Stability and optimization.

Resolve already does more than the competition. Now it has to do it better too. One of the reasons so many jumped ship and came to Resolve from Adobe is because Premiere became a synonym to constant crashes and bugs. This should not be repeated with Resolve.
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Re: Do not use 15.2!!!

PostWed Nov 21, 2018 2:28 pm

Frank Engel wrote:It does look like most if not all of the people reporting these problems are using Windows?

In that case... what do you expect?

Is anyone seeing this problem on the Mac?

We are on Mac's, 15.2 absolut unusable for daily work (except with much time and without clients next to you).
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Re: Do not use 15.2!!!

PostWed Nov 21, 2018 2:50 pm

Frank Engel wrote:It does look like most if not all of the people reporting these problems are using Windows?

In that case... what do you expect?

Is anyone seeing this problem on the Mac?


What is your intention here? Are you trying to say that Windows is not suitable for heavy duty production work?
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Re: Do not use 15.2!!!

PostWed Nov 21, 2018 4:53 pm

Dany Evans wrote:
Frank Engel wrote:Is anyone seeing this problem on the Mac?

We are on Mac's, 15.2 absolut unusable for daily work (except with much time and without clients next to you).


Thanks, so there is at least one.
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PostWed Nov 21, 2018 4:56 pm

Adrian Niwa wrote:What is your intention here? Are you trying to say that Windows is not suitable for heavy duty production work?


While that is the case with Windows, I was mostly pulling teeth to try to verify if the complaints were platform-specific, which does not seem to be entirely the case.
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Re: Do not use 15.2!!!

PostWed Nov 21, 2018 5:22 pm

Frank Engel wrote:
Adrian Niwa wrote:What is your intention here? Are you trying to say that Windows is not suitable for heavy duty production work?


While that is the case with Windows, I was mostly pulling teeth to try to verify if the complaints were platform-specific, which does not seem to be entirely the case.


It looks like you are not paying attention to the forums the last 7 months. The majority of issues with Resolve are platform unrelated.

From the few issues that are platform related, most come from OSX users. Especially the ones that are on Mojave.

Not sure what you mean by your comment that the case with Windows is that it's not suitable for heavy duty production work but if you are trying to start an OS flame war i would advise you not to bother. Most people here are grown ups and we don't care.
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