Will you add the new RED SDK soon?

In REDCINE-X now I can play back 8k footage in real-time with a 1080ti graphics card on my workstation. Will you be adding the new RED SDK to Resolve 15 soon? It's a game-changer for working with RED footage.

I was hoping this would be in Beta 2 of v16

I'm also really interested in this

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I'm not a fan of RED, I think they're arrogant and rip off their customers. The power they've received from Hollywood using their products over the past 10 years has gone to their head, just like Arri. I'm planning a feature film where I'm definitely going to shoot with the Blackmagic URSA Mini Pro 4.6K G2 in BRAW. Absolutely love it! Sorry, that was a bit off topic.

That was very helpful, thank you.

Does anyone know if beta 3 of resolve 16 has the r3d sdk implemented?

Does anyone know if beta 3 of resolve 16 has the r3d sdk implemented?

I doubt it... That would be something they would specify in the changes

DaVinci Resolve 16 Studio beta 3, Fusion 16 Studio beta 3

Hopefully soon...

Maybe wishful thinking but since resolve 16 non beta is still some months away it would super awesome to have it also updated in resolve 15. 15 is a good solid stable alternative that people and business will use for at least a year. Before 16 matures.

Wonder if we'll get it for beta 5

RED's biggest problem is not the quality of their equipment, it's how aggresive they are protecting their US-only patent for recording compressed RAW, they made a lot of enemies with that attitude.
So far no NLE is delivering(lot's of promises though) this GPU decoding option for what ever reason.

I wonder if it's just tougher to implement to deliver the funcionality red demonstrated ...


I can't imagine that resolve would intentionally hold back on including this ... considering how many of its users are red owners

I wonder if it's just tougher to implement to deliver the funcionality red demonstrated ...

I can't imagine that resolve would intentionally hold back on including this ... considering how many of its users are red owners

I expected it to be added pretty quickly, but now I'm starting to wonder if it will be added at all. It's the one thing making me hold off on going all-in on Resolve, future Editing Keyboard and all.

Fingers crossed we see it in beta 5.

I'm not a fan of RED, I think they're arrogant and rip off their customers. The power they've received from Hollywood using their products over the past 10 years has gone to their head, just like Arri. I'm planning a feature film where I'm definitely going to shoot with the Blackmagic URSA Mini Pro 4.6K G2 in BRAW. Absolutely love it! Sorry, that was a bit off topic.

At least Arri has an excuse when they make the best camera, unlike RED which I would always avoid.

The first Resolve 16 Release Candidate is out and still no support for the new RED SDK? I would love to know when it's coming.

The first Resolve 16 Release Candidate is out and still no support for the new RED SDK? I would love to know when it's coming.

I really don't understand this.....

 

I've been asking them about this since July of last year and all I ever get is crickets.

 

Scratch has it!!! So WTF???

 

My guess at this point is they are spending their time, energy, effort and resources on the new apple accelerator card........

 

I love these guys/gals, but I'm continuously baffled by the lack of effort and care on such heavily customer requested(err . . . begged-for)things like this and the uncustomizable UI.

Another in the long list of head-scratchers . . .

 

I think the simple reason is that Blackmagic wanted to get the final version out so focused on bug fixes. Hopefully we will see Res SDK in 16.1 or so. It works fantastic in Redcine X but I do worry about the GOU Ram requirements

I was surprised not to see it in beta 5 release notes today

I was surprised not to see it in beta 5 release notes today

Yeah, or beta 6 yesterday. The release is definitely getting close, I hope it is added soon.

Maybe Red threatening to sue BMD over in-camera compressed raw recording hasn't helped...

An alternative solution if it's embarrassing now:
Download READCINE-X PRO (highly optimized NVIDIA) and make a conversion in a format to your preference.

Maybe Red threatening to sue BMD over in-camera compressed raw recording hasn't helped...

Assuming that is true, BMD would do the same if the situation were reversed.

An alternative solution if it's embarrassing now:
Download READCINE-X PRO (highly optimized NVIDIA) and make a conversion in a format to your preference.

I'm not interested in working with proxies.

Maybe Red threatening to sue BMD over in-camera compressed raw recording hasn't helped...

Assuming that is true, BMD would do the same if the situation were reversed.

An alternative solution if it's embarrassing now:
Download READCINE-X PRO (highly optimized NVIDIA) and make a conversion in a format to your preference.

I'm not interested in working with proxies.

Just wait for the $750 R9-3950x(sept. 2019) it can handle everything RED can throw at it in realtime (also 8k.R3D 5:1 25 fps) at full-res premium, combine it with a nice cheap $700 Radeon VII and you are ready to roll.

When you want to do two 8k streams you better wait for the Threadripper 3000 series.

The good thing about CPU decoding is that it is also fast with other material than REDCODE.

Looks like there's GPU accelerated debayering for everything but RED footage now with v16.1. It would really be nice to know when (if?) this is coming for r3d files.

Looks like there's GPU accelerated debayering for everything but RED footage now with v16.1. It would really be nice to know when (if?) this is coming for r3d files.

Yes, I agree, this would be very interesting to know, faster RED workflow would benefit a lot of users. It is now possible to view 8k full debayer on a powerful laptop using the GPU.
Andreas

Yes, I agree, this would be very interesting to know, faster RED workflow would benefit a lot of users. It is now possible to view 8k full debayer on a powerful laptop using the GPU.

Sure, with a really, really powerful modern-day laptop.

Yes, I agree, this would be very interesting to know, faster RED workflow would benefit a lot of users. It is now possible to view 8k full debayer on a powerful laptop using the GPU.

Sure, with a really, really powerful modern-day laptop.

Yes, you would need a full 2080 RTX to playback.
I used a hexacore MSI with 1080 GTX for Blue Planet for transcoding files and it could almost do realtime since we had extremely quick turnaround. It would reach around 22fps.

MSI has a new Titan laptop that has 8 cores and a full 2080 RTX. It also has 14TB of ssd harddrives anc can support 128GB RAM which is very impressive too. However it is 4.5kg and the power supply is another 2kg.

Andreas

With REDCINE-X, I can playback full-resolution 8k on my workstation that has a 5-year-old Xeon processor and a 1080ti graphics card. It can play 5k RED footage without even breaking a sweat.

And one thing that I think is interesting how will this effect GPU RAM requirements.
For me Redcine takes about 7GB of RAM for playing back 8k videos, that leaves only 4 for Davinci.
If I would begin hitting memory limitations we may have to upgrade to Titan RTX that has 24GB of RAM so should be able to handle everything, only problem is that they are more than twice as expensive.

Right now I find that I often have to playback in quarter res in Davinci even though we have a 28 core Xeon with 1 1080 TI and 1 Titan card while in Redcine the speed is fantastic.

Another interesting benchmark I did was skimming. Skimming in Redcine was always slow and a bit frustrating. With the new version skimming is super fast IF you have a very fast harddrive. I tested with NVE cards and if I skim the read speed would reach 1200MB/s. This will not work on a RAID setup. We have 12x16TB of RAID and skimming is maybe 0.5fps. With an NVE it is maybe 5-10fps when you drag the timeline. This must be because the search speed is so much shorter.
It would be interesting to see how the speed will be in Redcine for skimming and of course playing back media.

I have a vague thought to upgrade to a 40GB network and use a raid of NVE disks. Imagine 6x4TB disks in RAID 5 or Raid 0 for exampel, big enough to edit a project on. Not cheap but not impossibly expensive either.

/Andreas

only problem is that they are more than twice as expensive.

For a cheap option you have to wait till the launch of the Ryzen 9 3950x in september 2019.

Ryzen 9 3950x, 16c/32tr ~ $750
Radeon VII, 16GB, 1,024 GB/s ~ $700 (it's EoL, so you have to be fast when you still want one).

This will give you realtime playback of 8k.R3D 5:1 25fps at Full-res premium in Resolve.
The CPU for the de-crypt/compress/code of the 8k.R3D-files and the GPU for the debayer and the rest of the effects.

The Radeon VII is the fastest card when it comes to heavy denoising (pretty important with the output of the 8k Helium sensor) with Resolve or Neat, denoising relies heavily on memory bandwidth and the Radeon VII has of a lot of memory bandwidth and enough memory to not run out of memory while perfoming its task.

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Ryzen 9 3950x, 16c/32tr ~ $750
Radeon VII, 16GB, 1,024 GB/s ~ $700 (it's EoL, so you have to be fast when you still want one).

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For
Ryzen 9 3950x, 16c / 32tr ~ $ 750
Radeon VII, 16GB, 1.024 GB / s ~ $ 700
= $ 1750
Currently $ 1 = 0.88 euro
$ 1750 = 1547.1 euros
In France + VAT 20% = 1888.8 euros.

An RTX2080Ti = ~ 1220 Euros (included VAT)

Should see?

For
Ryzen 9 3950x, 16c / 32tr ~ $ 750
Radeon VII, 16GB, 1.024 GB / s ~ $ 700
= $ 1750

$750 + $700 = $1,450

Currently $ 1 = 0.88 euro
$ 1750 = 1547.1 euros
In France + VAT 20% = 1888.8 euros.

It's up to the resellers to determine the price

currently on PCPartPicker

PCPartPicker Part List: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/3C7wRJ

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor (£520.00 @ AWD-IT)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon VII 16 GB Video Card (£600.79 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Total: £1120.79
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-11 18:15 BST+0100

Since the 3950x($749) cost 50% more than a 3900x($499) it's pretty safe to assume that the 3950x will cost around £780

CPU(£780) + GPU(£600) ~ £1,380

An RTX2080Ti = ~ 1220 Euros (included VAT)
Should see?

The 2080ti will run out of memory when denoising 8k Helium footage, not a real option, so you will need a RTX Titan X

RTX Titan X cost £2,399.00 https://www.nvidia.com/en-gb/titan/titan-rtx/ + atleast a R9 3700x £314.95 will set you back ~ £2,714.00.

That is a big price difference.

Every NLE that supports .R3D, supports CPU decoding, so it always works, no NLE supports .R3D GPU decoding at the moment.

For
Ryzen 9 3950x, 16c / 32tr ~ $ 750
Radeon VII, 16GB, 1.024 GB / s ~ $ 700
= $ 1750

$750 + $700 = $1,450

Currently $ 1 = 0.88 euro
$ 1750 = 1547.1 euros
In France + VAT 20% = 1888.8 euros.

It's up to the resellers to determine the price

currently on PCPartPicker

PCPartPicker Part List: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/3C7wRJ

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor (£520.00 @ AWD-IT)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon VII 16 GB Video Card (£600.79 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Total: £1120.79
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-11 18:15 BST+0100

Since the 3950x($749) cost 50% more than a 3900x($499) it's pretty safe to assume that the 3950x will cost around £780

CPU(£780) + GPU(£600) ~ £1,380

An RTX2080Ti = ~ 1220 Euros (included VAT)
Should see?

The 2080ti will run out of memory when denoising 8k Helium footage, not a real option, so you will need a RTX Titan X

RTX Titan X cost £2,399.00 https://www.nvidia.com/en-gb/titan/titan-rtx/ + atleast a R9 3700x £314.95 will set you back ~ £2,714.00.

That is a big price difference.

Every NLE that supports .R3D, supports CPU decoding, so it always works, no NLE supports .R3D GPU decoding at the moment.

OK: I've already proven that it's wrong with V16. Keep on going.

But in fact ? You with your super Radeon VII and your super CPU: do you do a screenshoot for share with US?

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CPU(£780) + GPU(£600) ~ £1,380

=1468,46 euros....
More expensive for me..
not to mention the VAT

It is interesting with faster noise reduction in say Neat Video, but I do not think I would pick another GPU than Nvidia, because some of the programs I use only use CUDA. Main program right would be the acceleration for Red.

But worth keeping an eye on for sure those new AMD cards.
Andreas

Crickets

Crickets

Yeah, I hope we aren't stuck due to a behind the scenes patent war between RED and BMD. I don't think Adobe has added support yet either but Scratch has had it for a while. I really want to go all in with Resolve for everything but this is holding me back. Very frustrating.

Crickets

Yeah, I hope we aren't stuck due to a behind the scenes patent war between RED and BMD. I don't think Adobe has added support yet either but Scratch has had it for a while. I really want to go all in with Resolve for everything but this is holding me back. Very frustrating.

I know Scratch has announced it, not sure if they have already implemented it.

For us the 3950x+Radeon VII ~ $1,500 is a cheaper option than the RTX Titan X ~ $2,500 + CPU when editing in full-res premium. For editing alone the RTX2080ti ~ $1,100 + CPU is enough for 8k, with the final render it's the same old story when you apply some noise reduction "out of memory".

The advantages of realtime CPU decoding is that is works in every NLE and it's a lot cheaper.

I know Scratch has announced it, not sure if they have already implemented it.

Scratch has supported it since build 1009 which was released on Apr 26, 2019.

http://www.assimilatesupport.com/akb/Kn ... 50803.aspx

I know Scratch has announced it, not sure if they have already implemented it.

Scratch has supported it since build 1009 which was released on Apr 26, 2019.

http://www.assimilatesupport.com/akb/Kn ... 50803.aspx

I have heard exactly 0 persons using it and have seen 0 announcements/reviews on websites like newsshooter, cinema5d, etc..

I know Scratch has announced it, not sure if they have already implemented it.

Scratch has supported it since build 1009 which was released on Apr 26, 2019.

http://www.assimilatesupport.com/akb/Kn ... 50803.aspx

Mistika has the new SDK in the 8.8.10 beta release as well.

I know Scratch has announced it, not sure if they have already implemented it.

Scratch has supported it since build 1009 which was released on Apr 26, 2019.

http://www.assimilatesupport.com/akb/Kn ... 50803.aspx

I have heard exactly 0 persons using it and have seen 0 announcements/reviews on websites like newsshooter, cinema5d, etc..

Among colorists, Scratch is starting to make some actual gains again... but of course you'll avoid talking to them lest you discover that Resolve isn't the only color grading application in town. It DOES have competition, even if the competition isn't as well known.

I'm sure that this new SDK will finds its way into Resolve before Flame.
I wonder how soon we will get it.

Among colorists, Scratch is starting to make some actual gains again... but of course you'll avoid talking to them lest you discover that Resolve isn't the only color grading application in town. It DOES have competition, even if the competition isn't as well known.

Always good that it is great, but does it already support .R3D GPU-decoding?

Among colorists, Scratch is starting to make some actual gains again... but of course you'll avoid talking to them lest you discover that Resolve isn't the only color grading application in town. It DOES have competition, even if the competition isn't as well known.

Always good that it is great, but does it already support .R3D GPU-decoding?

As already mentioned here in this thread, yes.

We have an update guys! I have asked the RED president Jarred Land on Instagram when the SDK is going to be implimented in resolve and premiere. He replied that it went out earlier this week to Resolve!



Can't wait for the update!!!

It's in the latest release! Thanks, BMD!