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Martin Riley

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glow banding at the edge of alpha

PostTue Aug 15, 2017 2:57 am

Hi, apologies for the noob question. I think I'm doing something fundamentally wrong.

I have a fire effect rendered in maya/vray using phoenix fd. The image is premultiplied.
originalFire.png
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I've added a glow in fusion. Which looks fine in fusion, either against a black background or composited over another image.
glowInFusion.png
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But when render the image (originalFire + Glow) and bring it into Resolve and composite over the footage, it has a nasty band at the edge of the glow.
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Does anyone know where I'm going wrong in the pipeline? This seems to happen if I render pngs or exrs.

Any help would be very gratefully appreciated.
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Chad Capeland

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Re: glow banding at the edge of alpha

PostTue Aug 15, 2017 7:12 pm

What settings in Resolve?
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Martin Riley

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Re: glow banding at the edge of alpha

PostTue Aug 15, 2017 8:55 pm

premultiplied alpha and normal composite mode

It looks to me like the glow isn't premultiplied but the fire footage is premultiplied. So when I set the clip attributes to premultiplied alpha, it is compatible with the fire but not the glow.
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Martin Riley

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Re: glow banding at the edge of alpha

PostTue Aug 15, 2017 9:05 pm

The only solution I've found is to have two copies of the fire footage (with the glow) in Resolve layered on top of each other. Make the composite mode for the bottom layer "multiply" and the top layer either screen or add. Screen looks closest to the effect I'm going for, but it seems to go wrong when the background layers pixels are very bright.

Kind of works, but feels like a fudge...
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Re: glow banding at the edge of alpha

PostTue Aug 15, 2017 9:14 pm

(PLEASE IGNORE MISREAD THE POST)

Try using the Soft Glow tool, it has a threshold for glow which I find is more useful for fire effects otherwise it will add glow to even the dark parts of the clip. Also setting the viewer to HiQ will give you a better idea as to how the final render will look. Something else to try may be to add the glow after the merge to see what happens, this could indicate if it is a prob with the merge and premult.
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Steve Roberts

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Re: glow banding at the edge of alpha

PostTue Aug 15, 2017 9:17 pm

In the glow tool, try using Multibox instead of Gaussian Filter and see if that makes a difference.
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Adelson Munhoz

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Re: glow banding at the edge of alpha

PostTue Aug 15, 2017 11:39 pm

You can also try to add a "Alpha Multiply" node before the Saver.
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Re: glow banding at the edge of alpha

PostWed Aug 16, 2017 7:49 pm

Thanks all, I'm an idiot. I re-rendered all the source files as exr and that fixed it.
So you know when I said "This seems to happen if I render pngs or exrs." Yeah you can ignore that...

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