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Poor lighting/Color correction

PostMon Dec 16, 2013 7:51 pm

Is there ANY way to save a poorly light shot in post by color correcting it?
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Re: Poor lighting/Color correction

PostMon Dec 16, 2013 8:17 pm

Max Normandin wrote:Is there ANY way to save a poorly light shot in post by color correcting it?


This is what most of us colorists do for a living -- it depends on the severity of the lighting problems what you can do with it. We can't re-hang lights (yet).

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Re: Poor lighting/Color correction

PostMon Dec 16, 2013 8:23 pm

JPOwens wrote:
Max Normandin wrote:Is there ANY way to save a poorly light shot in post by color correcting it?


This is what most of us colorists do for a living -- it depends on the severity of the lighting problems what you can do with it. We can't re-hang lights (yet).

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It's not that severe... but there's this one scene really lacking something in terms of emotional impact.

This is a murder scene shot in relatively low light, with mostly browns and greys, very dull looking...
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Re: Poor lighting/Color correction

PostMon Dec 16, 2013 9:04 pm

Max Normandin wrote:
JPOwens wrote:
Max Normandin wrote:Is there ANY way to save a poorly light shot in post by color correcting it?


This is what most of us colorists do for a living -- it depends on the severity of the lighting problems what you can do with it. We can't re-hang lights (yet).

jPo



It's not that severe... but there's this one scene really lacking something in terms of emotional impact.

This is a murder scene shot in relatively low light, with mostly browns and greys, very dull looking...


If the image does not have anything in your "raw data" then you might be out of luck. Lack of lighting cannot be artificially be done in post.

Can you post a frame before and after the color correction so we can have a look?
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Re: Poor lighting/Color correction

PostMon Dec 16, 2013 9:08 pm

Max Normandin wrote: lacking something in terms of emotional impact.


Without seeing exactly what values exist, and if the original media source is robust enough to sustain some creative luminance transfer adjustments, my first instinct would be to see where some curves would take me. Flat, low light, limited gamut... these are not encouraging. How much detail do you need to keep at the toe/bottom end? Can you crush the bottom without clipping those values, and can you add some "pop" to the mids by pulling up on the luminance curve at some strategic point? Can you create a quasi-"rim" by qualifying some of the brighter parts of the shot (if they exist) and pushing in some kind of chromatic cue, like a blue (night) or amber/yellow (street) feeling? You're the painter.

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Re: Poor lighting/Color correction

PostMon Dec 16, 2013 10:09 pm

JPOwens wrote:
Max Normandin wrote: lacking something in terms of emotional impact.


Without seeing exactly what values exist, and if the original media source is robust enough to sustain some creative luminance transfer adjustments, my first instinct would be to see where some curves would take me. Flat, low light, limited gamut... these are not encouraging. How much detail do you need to keep at the toe/bottom end? Can you crush the bottom without clipping those values, and can you add some "pop" to the mids by pulling up on the luminance curve at some strategic point? Can you create a quasi-"rim" by qualifying some of the brighter parts of the shot (if they exist) and pushing in some kind of chromatic cue, like a blue (night) or amber/yellow (street) feeling? You're the painter.

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All I know sir, is I tried playing around with the shot and it doesn't work that well. I guess one would need to be a professional colorist to do what you're referring to above. I'm a director and I'm not qualified to do such work.
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Re: Poor lighting/Color correction

PostMon Dec 16, 2013 11:03 pm

post a before/after frame, so we can see if we can suggest you something different.
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Re: Poor lighting/Color correction

PostMon Dec 16, 2013 11:40 pm

tried playing around with the shot


Its that pesky "10,000 hours" thing. I don't try to direct on any more than an occasional and casual basis myself. There is a kind of zen to grading, sometimes.

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Re: Poor lighting/Color correction

PostTue Dec 17, 2013 12:02 am

JPOwens wrote:
tried playing around with the shot


Its that pesky "10,000 hours" thing. I don't try to direct on any more than an occasional and casual basis myself. There is a kind of zen to grading, sometimes.

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Amen to the "10.000" hours.... (did you read "outliers"?)

And each of the colorist here will give a different answer based on experience/taste/skill etc...
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