Alexa 35 Anamorphic Editing

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Alexa 35 Anamorphic Editing

PostThu Apr 25, 2024 3:10 am

I'm working with the Alexa 35 on a feature that is being edited in Davinci Resolve and I'm getting some unexpected results that I'm hoping you all may have some insight into.

I'm in Resolve 18.6 on an M1 Macbook Pro running Sonoma 14.2.1 and on the Alexa we're shooting Open Gate 4.6k with a 2x anamorphic desqueeze. When loading the footage into Resolve the 2x desqueeze is handled properly and the footage looks great. My understanding is the anamorphic file should retain it's vertical resolution of 3164 but double the horizontal resolution. However when I load the footage in a timeline with a square pixel ratio of 9216x3164 the file is half the size.

When I load the same footage into Premiere with a 9216x3164 sequence it fills the frame. Anyone have any ideas of what might be the issue in Resolve?

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Re: Alexa 35 Anamorphic Editing

PostSat Apr 27, 2024 8:47 am

It's anamorphic so the pixels are no longer 'square' would be my guess. If you can supply a frame grab or clip, I could have a look.
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Re: Alexa 35 Anamorphic Editing

PostMon Apr 29, 2024 8:54 am

macrae11 wrote:However when I load the footage in a timeline with a square pixel ratio of 9216x3164 the file is half the size.

Crazy question: why are you working in 9K? Uprezzing the material will not yield any picture quality improvements (at least to me) -- I don't see this as a good workflow at all.

Scope deliverables are 4096x1716 (theatrical) or 3840x1607 (streaming/home video), and those are legitimate aspect ratios. To me, doubling these numbers would simply make the system work twice as hard with no actual improvement in picture quality.

Worst case: call Arri and ask to speak to a workflow specialist. They can give you real-world advice compatible with whatever systems you're using:

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Re: Alexa 35 Anamorphic Editing

PostMon Apr 29, 2024 9:59 am

Marc Wielage wrote:Crazy question: why are you working in 9K? Uprezzing the material will not yield any picture quality improvements (at least to me) -- I don't see this as a good workflow at all.


Yes exactly Marc, and then trying to fit a square pixel, that now has an aspect ratio. into a wide 'round' hole; as I say my guess> 4K DCI project; non-square Aspect ratio 2:1; would be what I'd try, Andrew.

BTW saw you in that video with the very nice Darren Moyston; very cool sir!
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Re: Alexa 35 Anamorphic Editing

PostTue Apr 30, 2024 1:38 pm

Thanks for the replies guys. I understand the issues with the anamorphic de-squeeze. I'm not concerned about the horizontal resolution. My only concern is that Resolve is showing half the vertical resolution of 1582 instead of the 3164 that it's originally shot in. This may become even slightly more of an issue because we're cropping in slightly due to the lens not quite covering the open gate sensor so I don't want to lose even more vertical resolution.

In my mind the footage in Resolve should show the same resolution as in Premiere/Finder/Arri software of 4608x3164 (2.0) Not 4608x1582(2.0) as it's showing in Resolve.
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Re: Alexa 35 Anamorphic Editing

PostThu May 02, 2024 12:10 am

Can you post a short sample to a cloud service to look at?
I have used Red anamorphic stuff in the past and it scaled correctly.
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Re: Alexa 35 Anamorphic Editing

PostTue May 07, 2024 8:56 pm

Yes absolutely, sorry for the delayed response.

I've a shot here that's downloadable for reference: https://spaces.hightail.com/receive/pbloX7ibqw

I also took some screen grabs of the footage and sequence in bins to show the resolution:

1582 timeline https://drive.google.com/open?id=13b3wp ... p=drive_fs]
1582 clip. https://drive.google.com/open?id=13eD7L ... p=drive_fs
3164 timeline. https://drive.google.com/open?id=13fi8_ ... p=drive_fs
3164 clip. https://drive.google.com/open?id=13jQ_x ... p=drive_fs

Sorry couldn't get the image embed to work.
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Re: Alexa 35 Anamorphic Editing

PostThu May 09, 2024 6:03 am

You are right, there's a minor issue, if you insist on such high resolution, but a workaround too. While your footage is correctly identified with a 2.0 PAR, it's only shown correctly in a DCI Scope timeline. If that doesn't show on your side, it might be a Sonoma issue. I'm trying to avoid that OS as long as I can!

If you insist, you can set your intended resolution in 9216x3164 as Custom and tell DR to use Stretch for scaling (Stretch frame to all corners). I'd be curious to know, though, how a humble MBP is handling that on render ;-)

If the automatic scaling doesn't work for you (it does for me under Ventura), you can use the same setting to fill a regular DCI size Scope timeline, as already given by Marc. Or make an unconventional timeline of 4608x1582 as custom to preserve every horizontal pixel. But I'd rather first ask about the expected delivery.
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